Philosophy debate of Religion, and Science

[Keyaki]

Dude, said he worshiped both Jesus and Yawah.

[Azure Knight]

Dude, said he worshiped both Jesus and Yawah.

Yes he did, but that could mean he's one of a few sects of Christianity, or some other religion that worships Jesus that's not commonly heard about.

[zaseo]

Azure Knight as a start to answering your questions while staying in forum rules I'll take this from wikipeida.

In 2005, a research study at the College of Malmö in Sweden suggested that performing unprotected oral sex on a person infected with HPV might increase the risk of oral cancer. The study found that 36 percent of the cancer patients had HPV compared to only 1 percent of the healthy control group.[18]
Another recent study suggests a correlation between oral sex and head and neck cancer. It is believed that this is due to the transmission of human papillomavirus (HPV), a virus that has been implicated in the majority of cervical cancers and which has been detected in throat cancer tissue in numerous studies. The New England Journal of Medicine study concluded that people who had one to five oral-sex partners in their lifetime had approximately a doubled risk of throat cancer compared with those who never engaged in this activity and those with more than five oral-sex partners had a 250% increased risk

Ok so doing you know what to girls can to STDs of course, and certain types of cancer. Tasting the you know what has things in it that can lead to throat cancer.
Anal sex has been known to leave tears in that area that shouldn't be there.
This is only a start I shall post more things later. I just need to be careful with the links, and stuff I post for the sake of not being forum banned.

As for what religion I follow Christianity at first. Now I haven't been following religion for months. I believe what is in the bible. I don't believe in Christianity. It is man made, and full of crap. The world Christianity isn't in the bible. Religion is false. If only I seen that years ago, but I know now. The word of God is what I need.

Yahshua/Yeshua Christ taught us to follow him, and not this man made religions. The word Christian is in the bible 3 times depending on which version you read. The disciples never had a name they were called, and the Romans used Christian as a mock name. Christ never called his followers Christians.

Christianity was started in Rome so that Constantine could try, and keep his empire strong. The reason why there is so many branches of Christianity is because Christianity doesn't agree with the bible. If you go to church they never teach you the whole thing. They teach you the parts that make you feel good, and parts they can make money off of you. Islam has heavy ties with the Catholic church as well. Islam is the religion being played against Christianity to control people. Both religions are full of hypocrites.

I can point out so many things wrong with the church that it is crazy.

Also why do people go to church when
Acts 7:48 says "Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet"
Acts 17:23For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 24God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; Yah doesn't dwell in churches which are made by the hands of man.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
That is were Yah dwells.

You know how Christians say don't judge me, or be judge by God.
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
They use another verse in John (can't remember it right now) but people can judge. You just can't judge without evidences of their actions, or character. In fact you judge people everyday based on how they act. This is your you pick your friends, and know to stay away from certain people.

[Keyaki]

Yea you lost me when said Wikipedia.

[zaseo]

LOL I know it is a fail, but oral sex is know for giving people cancer. Its like all over Google. I shall post a link that want get me the banhammer just give me some time. I won't be able to tonight, but I shall.

[Kuukai]

Uh, dude, there's a vaccine for HPV. If someone gets it, the two have nothing to do with each other.

[Resplendence]

I'm still bothered at the fact that he said this was a choice.I believe in God,but isn't He a bit of a jerk?The way He makes me gay and has His followers going around mocking me and insulting me as if I chose to be mocked or insulted every single day of my life!Sounds nice,doesn't it?Yup I'm having the time of life.

[zaseo]

This is some prove about the whole masturbation thing.
http://www.prostate-massage-and-health. ... ation.html
If a male needs to get rid of semen, and if he doesn't have sex with a girl then a wet dream shall take care of having too much semen. Masturbation is lust, and sodomy. Its not natural. Wet Dreams are natural.

Doesn't HPV only have vaccines that can stop 4 of the 30 types of HPV?

Yah wouldn't make you gay. There is no gay gene, and it is everyone's choice. Homosexuality is like a norm today. They're using the bullying thing to make disliking homosexuality a hate crime. Just because people dislike it doesn't mean someone should commit suicide. I wouldn't tease, or do anything to a homosexuality, but I shall say that it goes against the natural order of things.

The family system in the USA continues to get destroyed. The feminist are using the homosexuals as pawns for their agenda. When women, and gay people think that they are getting equity things shall be messed up. Also no one has true equity in the USA right now.

[Keyaki]

1) How much do you actually expect a wet dream to happen?

2) You really sure you have the ability to actually dictate what is pure and what is dirty?

4) You can't argue that some people just seemed to have an innate attraction to the same sex. Yea there is no gay gene, but you can't say that EVERYone is gay or lesbian just b/c they choose. There is a such thing as isolated occurrences.

3) Why the hell is this being discussed?

[zaseo]

In the bible you're allow to judge as long as you judge righteously.
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment
How can someone be a Israelite, and be a homosexuality? Sodomy is clearly a sin.

True, but most people who choose to be a gay choose it. No one is made gay. They choose it, or in some cases they may have had something happened.
How much do wet dreams happen anyway? I figured a male wouldn't need to have them much, or at all if he is having sex with his wife?

[Kuukai]

Uh, what about that part where he who is without sin should throw the first stone?

Doesn't HPV only have vaccines that can stop 4 of the 30 types of HPV?

Yeah. The ones that cause cancer. There's no market for a $500 vaccine that only keeps you from getting plantar warts on your feet once or twice in your life.

Also, same-sex attraction has been observed in nature. But more importantly, why does "nature" dictate what's right and what's wrong? Houses aren't natural. Religion doesn't occur in nature. Weird theories about precious bodily fluids aren't natural. Never seen a squirrel with one of those...

keyaki/Resplendence, I wouldn't worry too much about what zaseo says, it's not very well thought out...

[zaseo]

You're allow to "throw stones." You're allowed to judge. These Christian church only teach those two verses. People never read all of John 7, and John 8. They just teach don't throw stones, or judge people, but don't teach the whole book.

[Kuukai]

What are you talking about? Jesus refuses to condemn her. How many times in the actual gospel does Jesus tell his followers to bash gays? How many times does he tell them to forgive people and help the poor? Unless you work in a soup kitchen more than you post to this thread your priorities are totally out of line.

[zaseo]

We're to teach people to stop living in sin. Telling someone homosexuality is wrong, and using facts isn't bashing someone, but it is consider a hate crime in the general media. America is mess up because of religion. Religion is all false, but the teachings of Yeshua are the truth. We're living in a unisex society not because of homosexuality, but because of feminism.

The time is near when people shall be hated because they live by the rules of the bible. People actually hate the bible expect for the parts that makes them feel great. There is also confusing at times because modern translations changed so much. In older bibles instead of God you would have Yah. Instead of Jesus you would have Yeshua, or other Hebrew ways of spelling Christ's name. Instead of lord, you would have Most High.

[Kuukai]

Then replace "bashing" with "what you're doing". Again, Jesus or whatever you want to call him talks about this a lot less (if he condones it at all) than salvation and helping the wretched. He's constantly constructive, not destructive. You're focusing on this very tiny piece of what's in the bible. This isn't lost in translation. He talks it being impossible for the rich to enter heaven, he doesn't say that about homosexuals.

Nothing you're saying is even remotely relevant to what I'm saying. When "nature" fails you, you switch to "Greek." Can't you see you're just molding what you can to fit your own preconceived values?

[zaseo]

Homosexuality isn't the only thing I'm against, but they can't inherit the kingdom of god.
1 Corinthians 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Remember when Christ got the whip, and was flipping over the tables in that temple.

How can someone not have problems with the these churches. Christ never taught religion, but taught us to follow him.

What with people like Creflo Dollar scamming people with tithing? Whats with the megachurchs scamming people making millions?
Whats up with Easter which isn't biblical in anyway. It has nothing to do with Christ dying on the cross. Easter is Ishtar.
Whats with Christmas aka Saturnalia?
Whats with with Sunday service? Last time I check the Sabbath is the 7th day of the week. The day we call Sunday is the first day.
Why is this pope so important? He is far from an Israelite.
What with these Pagan images, and idols? Christ wasn't some guy with long girly hair. Also whats with all of these people on those prayer beeds?

There is a lot of things that I can "bash" as you would say.

[Keyaki]

There you go, judging again without any real basis. And using the Bible as a reference to your claims is just as effective as saying the the world is flat because you read an award-winning book written by Nobel-prize winning geologist. I'm not condemning you, but your simply just following blindly by it. Like Masturbation, its not really stated anywhere by the Bible. Yet, you claim it to be sacrilegious.

And this whole Homosexual thing, its not a trend. Period. Its not gonna take over the world or anything. And like I said, not everyone is homo just because they choose. Not everyone chooses. Somethings aren't a choice. Like I just said, there is a case of 'isolated occurrences". Yea, there probably isn't a 'gay gene' and most likely no one is born gay, but it is possible that some homo maybe from a very early age just came just having a natural attraction to those of the same sex.

And when exactly is this 'era' coming 'Mr. Philosopher' ? Because from what I've seen, people have already been ostracized because they go by the Bible, by people called terrorist. But not just now, but back 2000 years ago. When Nero was slaughtering all those followers because they followed. Seriously, you're talking like a conspiracy theorist.

What with people like Creflo Dollar scamming people with tithing? Whats with the megachurchs scamming people making millions?

Not every church is perfect, and yea it is sad that many of those who claim the faith aren't actually showing it, but bitching about it isn't gonna work. Why not just go in all the corrupt churches and pull another "Jesus and the Den of Thieves" story.

Whats up with Easter which isn't biblical in anyway. It has nothing to do with Christ dying on the cross. Easter is Ishtar.

So what? Not everyone is a believer and a follower. And they can do the Easter thing if they want to. You wanna take away the fun of Easter egg hunting from the little kids? Again, blindly judging.

Whats with Christmas aka Saturnalia?

You complaining because we're celebrating the birth Jesus at a time where he allegedly wasn't born at that time? By closing down pretty much everything AND settling all differences and conflicts with other people? Seems okay to me.

Whats with with Sunday service? Last time I check the Sabbath is the 7th day of the week. The day we call Sunday is the first day.

Again, so what? Should it really matter? Trying to campaign this to change isn't gonna work b/c no one's gonna listen and even you may be condemn and victimized, so I really don't see the point of questioning. Jews choose the Sabbath on Saturday, we choose Sunday. No big deal.

Why is this pope so important? He is far from an Israelite.

And you have the power to judge who should be Pope? LOL Pope John Paul II was Polish and the entire catholic/christian community LOVED him. The Pope's race shouldn't really matter as long as he tries to lead his people down a path of righteousness and a sense of cleanness and purity morally within oneself and the community.

What with these Pagan images, and idols? Christ wasn't some guy with long girly hair.

OH RLY??? Where you really there 2000 BCE? Were you really there??? If so, OR if you have a time machine why don't you go back in time and get a picture and post it on Facebook and show us

Also whats with all of these people on those prayer beeds?

What? Those Buddhist beads? Yea, they look pretty stylish looking, I'm thinking of getting me a pair, what of it?


Basically, what Kuukai and I are both saying is you can't really judge when you're not entirely perfect yourself. I'm sure you've masturbated. I'm sure you've even questioned you're own sexuality (no offense). We're not condemn you for your choice, hell I'm all for free choice. But seriously, your opinions on things like this is so out of this world, its in the next galaxy! With basically no basis of evidence except for the Bible, and believe me. You follow from just that, then you're completely blinded.

[Kuukai]

Homosexuality isn't the only thing I'm against, but they can't inherit the kingdom of god.
1 Corinthians 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

That's Paul. How much was Jesus quoted on this stuff? I thought were against religion and about Jesus. Yes, he was against people corrupting temples and his message, but isn't that what you're doing? How much did Jesus himself put an emphasis on shutting down homosexuality? None. Whatever he felt about it, he spent his time talking about more important things. He hung out with a prostitute for years without getting high and mighty about it or even bringing it up. Why can't you? Is it a security thing, do you feel empowered by the idea you understand more about the universe than most people? Does this patchwork of ideas match an existing, more shapeless, emotional view you have about mankind in general? Open up, humanity is awesome, and the world is an amazing place. People have been seeing signs of imminent apocalypse since before Jesus. They're always wrong. Maybe in 20 years when the world is still here you'll understand. It's only end times if you choose to live there. It'll probably only take you a couple of years, though, like most of the people on this board you're still young, but in the meantime please, please stop driving other members crazy with your ideas about their sexuality. Talk about something else. Otherwise you're just a troll.

[Keyaki]

Homosexuality isn't the only thing I'm against, but they can't inherit the kingdom of god.
1 Corinthians 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

That's Paul. How much was Jesus quoted on this stuff? I thought were against religion and about Jesus. Yes, he was against people corrupting temples and his message. Isn't that what you're doing? How much did Jesus himself put an emphasis on shutting down homosexuality? None. He spent his time talking about more important things. Why can't you?

Which goes back to my pinnacle question; Why the hell are we still on this????

[shugo_lover]

My friend once told me this and I kind of have to agree with her. Why have a religion if you can't be happy with it? Doesn't it seem unfair? I mean I seriously doubt that most people 'choose' to be gay. Sure. some people might, but most don't. There just born that way. Thus the whole thing with scientists and how they think it's due to an imbalance in the brain and all that stuff that scientists think. After all so many people puke out stuff like 'God made you this way! it's who you are!' but why would god make you that way then hate you for it?
(The above probably made no sense at all. Sorry, if you think that. I don't think I can really explain it to where it makes sense)

Also I do not believe that you are judging people rightously. I think you are judging them unfairly and it's as if you refuse to even be associated with them before getting to know them.