Philosophy debate of Religion, and Science

[Kaori]

besides what kind of person wins a nobel peace prize and sends hundreds of soldiers to afghanistan?

[zaseo]

Great now all of the unemployment benefits are cut. Things have gotten worse. Many don't have jobs, and million want have benefits for a little while to try, and get one.

[zaseo]

What do you think about the tax cuts on the rich?

[Keyaki]

What do you think about the tax cuts on the rich?

Makes sense.

[shugo_lover]

What do you think about the tax cuts on the rich?

It's about time that they did.

[zaseo]

Its been awhile so here is a new question. Why the people pay tithes to the church?

Malachi 3:8-10 (King James Version)

8Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

I know what Malachi 3 8:10 says but if you read the whole book of Malachi then you would know it is talking about farmers, and tithing in the old covenant.
All of the things in the old covenant aren't rules in the new one.

Acts 8:20 (King James Version)

20But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

You can't buy God with money. If you want to be with God follow this commandments including the 4th one on the 7th day, and follow the ways of Yeshua/Jesus. A few questions come to my mind. If people actually pay 10% of their income wouldn't many of them struggle to be stable? The taxes that are taken out of a pay check is huge from what I hear.

I'm not 100% sure, but I hear tithing can also be a way of getting a tax deductible so that someone would pay less money to the fed. People don't need God to have good physical lives, but I doubt paying the church of man part of your income is what he wants. Why pay the church of man when their are brothers, and sisters on the street poor? The pastors are stable on money, and they don't need more. The brothers, and sisters on the street aren't getting anything, and they continue to suffer.

I may be wrong, but wasn't tithing always done in ways with using land, or food. I've don't think tithing was ever done with money in the KJV. Aren't pastors suppose to go to places, and peach the Gospels? They shouldn't be worried about church growth, or members. They wouldn't care if anyone was helped, or not. I think many who tithed to the church are just lucky at times. Many just tithed hoping to get something later in life. That something that "does" is materialistic.

[Resplendence]

I have a question.Why are people so ignorant when it comes to homosexuals?I was looking through the internet one day and I see that someone posted such a ridiculous thing.It went something like:"My dad stopped paying my rent and my college tuition.I hate him so much and I really want to piss him off by turning gay but I'm disgusted by even thinking about being with another man.How do I become gay?"...I was DISGUSTED.Honestly it's not a choice.They say it's in your DNA or they're just effected by their environment.I don't know what the reason is,but gays are just gays.And that foolish man wanting to be gay to piss off his dad really makes me angry.Personally I don't care that there are gays.No matter how many people hate them gays will be gays.So they are wasting their time insulting them telling them to go to hell.I have a lot of gay friends I don't really see a problem with it.Hell,I'm gay myself.I don't even go to church anymore because the last time I was there the mother told the priest who I was.And he anounced to the entire church to pray for me.He made it sound like I have a disease or something.They think it's an abomination.Honestly it doesn't bother me anymore.I just laugh at their ignorance.

But anyway,what do you guys think?

[AZURE-KITE]

I think your right, I don't understand why they're all "OMG UR GAYYY, DON'T COME NEAR ME, MY FRIENDS WILL THINK BAD ABOUT ME!" i really hate that, they just don't know, it's a sad life, and, they don't even know, that the H(Homo)s, can be in love of woman too, and be even more manly than the Straigh persons, it pisses me off too!!, I just wanna smack'em, And, i was just thinkin' things, but, (I think it was because of KiteXX pics) i like bishies....

[zaseo]

Well homosexuality isn't normal in humans, or any other animals. The gays are spreading that rumor for the Homosexual/Gay Agenda. Also there is no such thing as a gay gene. People decide to become gay due to something that happens in their life, subliminal messages, they copy what they see on tv etc. It is going to widely accepted by these general public soon. This is going to add to America's relationship problems, and increase how many people are having sex. Even this churches are promoting homosexuality, and saying God loves you unconditionally. That is a lie. If that was the case then thieves, fornicators, idolaters etc would be getting in the kingdom.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (King James Version)

9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

When it comes down to it homosexuality, and abortion is the two best forms of population control. America is just another Rome and another Sodom, and Gomorrah. I shall cheer when this churches of Christianity fall.

[shugo_lover]

If that were true than my dog wouldn't be humping my male cat.

[zaseo]

That is not right. Is your dog humping other things, or people? I never heard that one lol.

[shugo_lover]

Saddly no. We think he's a bit inbred.

[Altre]

As far as the world of science goes, no offence to anyone, your sexual orientation is dictated by having more (gay/lesbian) or less (straight) of the opposite sexes chromosomes than usual as far as I've seen. As I stated some time ago, I've formed my own set of values from the Bible and other various religions (primarily Christianity though) combined with science. I'd hope that God wouldn't intentionally create humans that were damned from birth.

[AZURE-KITE]

@Altre: God created Adam, and Evah(?)(Sorry, i don't know how is written in english) perfectly, and telled them to eat from any tree that give fruits, exept for one at the center of the garden(Eden), but, (Srry, but i'm lazy right now to write everything that happened in the creation, and Genesis book:/) they eated, because Satan cheated them, and god saw this, and cursed them(?)(Srry again if that's not the term) and said "Dust you are, and to the dust you shall return" (Srry again if those aren't the terms) and that was the case, the humans are imperfect, or as you said "Damned from birth" because of those acts

P.S.(Man, I can give reaaally wide answers to a simlple religion question here, also my religion is 'Jehovah Witness' (Did i spell Jehovah Ok?)

[Altre]

AK, I'm well aware of the story of creation. If all of mankind was damned though, no one would go to heaven. The curse was knowledge (the tree of knowledge was the tree they were forbidden to eat from, thus we were cursed with knowledge), not eternal damnation for all of mankind.

[zaseo]

Oh yea I left religion. I follow Yah, and Christ. Following Christ is a lifestyle. The religion Christianity is a screw up version of things by man. If only I realize this sooner. Man made churches are a money scam. Refer to my post about tithing above. The church must exist in you. Forget about this buildings made by the hands of man.

Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet
Acts 23For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 24God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

The church must be in you. Another problem I have with most churches is that they teach verses or a chapter, but not the hold book. I hear a verse, but what about the rest of the book of Genesis, or John. They will usually tell you a verse that is up lifting, or just twist it to make people feel happy.

[AZURE-KITE]

ZASEOO, ZASEOO, that's right!, they're just picking up a random verse of the bible, and say it, but, without searching the base of it, that's why people missunderstand things, also, the thing about hell, My teacher(In my religion stuffs, not my school teacher) told me about that, and we tough about it togheter, if God's a loving God,then, why religions say things about that bad people go to Hell?, an infinite fire torture place, that's what the Devil wants us to think, that God is bad, but he's whole the contrary, and, stuff like, the death awake from their graves and stuff, as the bible says: (I don't remember the book) "The death doesn't have concience that they are dead, but, the living are concient that they are going to die..." The dead people don't feel, think, and OF COURSE: They don't awake from their graves until after the Armaggedon.

PS:(The Jehovah Witness version of AT is here! :3)

[Resplendence]

People say that in the bible it says that homosexuality is a sin.I beleive in God AND I'm gay so I refuse to believe that I'm going to hell for who I am.People think it's a choice!If I could have chosen I would have chosen to be straight just to make my life easier.I tried being with a girl(not going into details)and she just confirmed my sexuality.And zaseo,no offense,but don't you think it's a bit silly?People turn gay because they copy what they see on t.v.?Really?Well,maybe a few confused kids.But I feel that I'm too old(although I'm 17) not to know what I like.Although there was this lady at my old job.She was married for like 7 years with 2 kids and one day she woke up and boom,lesbian.I honestly don't understand how things like that happen.

[zaseo]

People say that in the bible it says that homosexuality is a sin.I beleive in God AND I'm gay so I refuse to believe that I'm going to hell for who I am.People think it's a choice!If I could have chosen I would have chosen to be straight just to make my life easier.I tried being with a girl(not going into details)and she just confirmed my sexuality.And zaseo,no offense,but don't you think it's a bit silly?People turn gay because they copy what they see on t.v.?Really?Well,maybe a few confused kids.But I feel that I'm too old(although I'm 17) not to know what I like.Although there was this lady at my old job.She was married for like 7 years with 2 kids and one day she woke up and boom,lesbian.I honestly don't understand how things like that happen.

Homosexuality is a choice. There is no such thing as the Gay Gene, or someone lacking genes to be attracted to the opposite gender. People choose to be gay because of subliminal messages, or because they see it on TV. Sexuality is something that people have complete control over. They sure are pushing their homosexual/gay agenda. It helps with population control, and makes America relationship problems worst.

[Smitts]

People say that in the bible it says that homosexuality is a sin.I beleive in God AND I'm gay so I refuse to believe that I'm going to hell for who I am.People think it's a choice!If I could have chosen I would have chosen to be straight just to make my life easier.I tried being with a girl(not going into details)and she just confirmed my sexuality.And zaseo,no offense,but don't you think it's a bit silly?People turn gay because they copy what they see on t.v.?Really?Well,maybe a few confused kids.But I feel that I'm too old(although I'm 17) not to know what I like.Although there was this lady at my old job.She was married for like 7 years with 2 kids and one day she woke up and boom,lesbian.I honestly don't understand how things like that happen.

Homosexuality is a choice. There is no such thing as the Gay Gene, or someone lacking genes to be attracted to the opposite gender. People choose to be gay because of subliminal messages, or because they see it on TV. Sexuality is something that people have complete control over. They sure are pushing their homosexual/gay agenda. It helps with population control, and makes America relationship problems worst.

Because of subliminal messages or because they see it on T.V.?
You can't be serious...?
If so, I totally don't agree with that.