Xth Forms

[Gemcrim]

Because they were all given satisfying explanations. The random player was someone Aura had a crush on and she was organizing a huge set-up, the AI Look alike is, HEY, AN AI, and the nine others are fused with the Epitaphs and stuff like that.

Both you and Gemcrim forgot about the ninth person, which was Kazumi. So if you can explain his purpose of having data drain, then I'll be satisfied. Otherwise, it still doesn't suit me.

Kazumi, GU+, non-canon, I don't know why we're talking about him, thought the NINTH person you were referring to with Data Drain was Azure Kite... so I am under the assumption you only read G.U.+ and never actually played the games by this alone, I don't really know, but really why do we need to acknowledge Kazumi when really we were mainly referring to the games?

Anyway, as for his data drain, if you bothered to watch "End of the World" you'd be aware that Jyotaro Amagi successfully created a Dummy Avatar, in a sense another phase, and one would naturally assume that the Dummy Avatar, like the eight others would contain the power of data drain (though it is beyond me how Amagi would have succeeded in this, but then he likely had time to analyze the 8 phases).

Kazumi has the Dummy Avatar, and by extension, data drain. THE END.

Now just as there are those sick of us complaining about Link, I am sick of those saying "wait to play the game." I'm sorry but I am going to keep stating my opinions and run LINK into the ground for the simple fact I stated earlier. When G.U. was coming out there was actual excitement, theories abound on what was going to occur, a true sense of anticipation. And look at Link, there is a clear division in those that like it and those that don't and in that sense, for me it is a failure, it failed what G.U had managed to do.

I'm sorry, but calling a game horrible due to it's looks and presentation ONLY, is very ignorant, regaurdless of your opinion. None of us have finished the manga, none of us knows what's going to happen in this game, aside from a few events that are displayed at the beginning of the manga (i.e. Tokio entering the game, Kite vs. Fluegel, etc.), and the appearence of Xth Forms. This sense of "anticipation" is still very much here for this installment. It may not look all that epic as G.U. was, but it's still riddled with secrecy.

I'm sorry, but I am sticking to my opinion as you will continue to defend each and every single flaw of LINK with, "JUST WAIT AND SEE! IT WILL BE AMAZING!!!!!!!1111!" I am going to continue to rip LINK apart, because the plot IS following at the very least the basic premise of the manga's, won't exactly completely follow I know, just as G.U.+ and Trilogy didn't EXACTLY follow G.U. But the fact is, still following the basic plot, and I don't like the manga.

Unlike GU, LINK **** up the story in the first five minutes, as we have all brought up, ALL CHARACTERS ARE BACK. Tsukasa shouldn't be touching this game ever again after what occurred in SIGN, Albireo the same, many characters who shouldn't be back are here by shitty explanation of Chrono Cores, Akashic Records, and all your little BS plot devices fitting of fanfiction written by a thirteen year old twat who fancies themselves to be a magnificent scribe. :V

Defend this if you like, I know you and everyone who so vehemently defends LINK will because you're clearly satisfied to get your jollies off of anything so long as ".hack" is in the title and here you get all that wonderful fanservice of characters returning with poor explanation, nurse catgirls, butt pirates, and pantie shots abound. Ignorant I may be, but I rather be an ignorant cynical douche than an easily pleased moron.

Edit: One thing I would like to mention, I will buy and play this game because I HAVE mentioned in previous posts it LOOKS fun. I just have what I feel to be legitimate concerns on the plot and would honestly rather have the gameplay of IMOQ if I can get amazing story telling back. If LINK can deliver where I want it to, then fine I will gladly take back what I had said, but in doing what it has with returning characters and the Xth form, there is a lot I cannot forgive the story for before it even came out and it frustrates me because I love .hack. If I didn't I wouldn't be here, and I honestly can't see how things can improve at this point, if it does I will be glad but I truly don't think it will, .hack ended for me with GU Returner and unless LINK and the other projects can prove themselves, this is what I hold to.

[Advent_Winter]

Very well then. Blindly review this game to your heart's content. Note how one must never assume that a game will pass of fail based on screenshots, magazine articles, and scarce video media concerning gameplay. Weither or not //Link will suck depends on how this game will perform in the hands of the consumer who buys it, not by seemingly, well-structered rants that end up to be pointless because of the things you've so limitedly seen so far. That's the main reason. I'm only defending it for the fact that "You haven't even touched it, yet you blantly call it garbage." therefore, you never even gave it a chance. It's like your parents serving you food that you've never seen before, and you automatically assume it's going to taste bad or good. Now, if you were to say that LINK sucks "so far" then I might have been a little leniant in regaurds to your opinions. I can't wait for this game, because I can't wait to see what's in store for the end of .hack. That's it. If an easily pleased moron is all you see in me, so be it.

[Gemcrim]

Now, if you were to say that LINK sucks "so far" then I might have been a little leniant in regaurds to your opinions.

This is pretty much the opinion I hold, granted I have not been specific in stating "so far", because I have not played the game obviously or been able to finish the manga. Every judgement I have made is based on what has been released. I am honestly hoping for a turn around to find something aside from good LOOKING gameplay, but it has yet to be revealed. If LINK can do this then I will be glad, but I honestly don't think it will (see above post edit).

[Advent_Winter]

Ah. Now I have a better understanding of your point to some extent. Thank you.

[shugo_lover]

Ugg....I just hate the style for link its just to.... I dunno its just to much...

[Tolby]

Explain why the flying **** someone as ineffectual as Silabus gets an Xth form.

I don't know, I might have to wait until the game actually comes out to find that out. Like everyone. Discussion and speculation is fun, but people are getting carried away with their bitching these days.

[Sehoxa]

Although I agree with some points made here, I agree with counter ones also, sure, one thing that gave Haseo his uniquness was his Xth form, but that wasn't it only, he was the key of twilight* (thanks Advent Writer) himself, and the Xth form (for me at least IMO) represented Haseo's growth and development as a person, not just some "ossim buust hax lolwut.". Perhaps this is what the developers were shooting for with the other characters as well, this I cannot agree on however, although some of the characters have grown and developed, not all of them have done complete 180s in character as Haseo has. For the right reasons, yes, I think that the characters (who deserved it) should get an Xth form, but definitly not people like Silabus and Tabby. Silabus helped out Haseo on a number of occasions yes,and he was also one of the people who have become Haseo's friends on his journey, but he hasn't really done anything signifgantly character-changing (I'm not counting when he helped Haseo get his 2nd form.) to deserve the Xth form. But we have to remember, in this series, the returning veteran players have a memory loss of pre-series events (Tsukasa Pre-Sign, Haseo Pre-GU), perhaps there is somthing that will happen in the game that not only "awakens" the memory but unlocks some thing, hell I dunno.

My final opinion(in a nutshell): I beleive that it's alright for SOME characters to get Xth form that really deserve it, but I don't think that it's right for minor characters who seldom do anything to get an Xth form.

Having all that said and done, I think that alot of what makes the .hack series so great is that it may not always be what we expect, we can think one thing and it will somthing completly different, so I think that to anticipate a game like that would take away that special "umph" it has. (Or mabye that's just me)


EDIT: I'm not on the side of "wait and see!", hell, I'm not on any side.But what I think is that we can't just stick to one opinion, especially on speculation/anticipation discussions, because for any succesful anticipation/speculation discussion such as what's going on now, we need to not only expect what can go right, but waht can go wrong also, and that we just need to be open to everyon'e opinions and views, because we can go at this forever, and still come up with the question "What's gonna happen?" and to be able to succesfully anticipate somthing, we need to be open for anything to happen. weather the game will be amazing and deliver, or weather the game will suck and every last one of us will burn down CC Corp is still up in the air, and not falling for a while. So let's not try to debunk eachother's statements, at least not yet. Sure, the sereis may be completly shonen that looks like it was written by some 13 year old who knows, this could shoot off another web of events to happen.

Who knows?

[Advent_Winter]

Although I agree with some points made here, I agree with counter ones also, sure, one thing that gave Haseo his uniquness was his Xth form, but that wasn't it only, he was the epitaph of twilight himself, and the Xth form (for me at least IMO) represented Haseo's growth and development as a person, not just some "ossim buust hax lolwut.". Perhaps this is what the developers were shooting for with the other characters as well, this I cannot agree on however, although some of the characters have grown and developed, not all of them have done complete 180s in character as Haseo has. For the right reasons, yes, I think that the characters (who deserved it) should get an Xth form, but definitly not people like Silabus and Tabby. Silabus helped out Haseo on a number of occasions yes,and he was also one of the people who have become Haseo's friends on his journey, but he hasn't really done anything signifgantly character-changing (I'm not counting when he helped Haseo get his 2nd form.) to deserve the Xth form. But we have to remember, in this series, the returning veteran players have a memory loss of pre-series events (Tsukasa Pre-Sign, Haseo Pre-GU), perhaps there is somthing that will happen in the game that not only "awakens" the memory but unlocks some thing, hell I dunno.

My final opinion(in a nutshell): I beleive that it's alright for SOME characters to get Xth form that really deserve it, but I don't think that it's right for minor characters who seldom do anything to get an Xth form.

Having all that said and done, I think that alot of what makes the .hack series so great is that it may not always be what we expect, we can think one thing and it will somthing completly different, so I think that to anticipate a game like that would take away that special "umph" it has. (Or mabye that's just me)


EDIT: I'm not on the side of "wait and see!", hell, I'm not on any side.But what I think is that we can't just stick to one opinion, especially on speculation/anticipation discussions, because for any succesful anticipation/speculation discussion such as what's going on now, we need to not only expect what can go right, but waht can go wrong also, and that we just need to be open to everyon'e opinions and views, because we can go at this forever, and still come up with the question "What's gonna happen?" and to be able to succesfully anticipate somthing, we need to be open for anything to happen. weather the game will be amazing and deliver, or weather the game will suck and every last one of us will burn down CC Corp is still up in the air, and not falling for a while. So let's not try to debunk eachother's statements, at least not yet. Sure, the sereis may be completly shonen that looks like it was written by some 13 year old who knows, this could shoot off another web of events to happen.

Who knows?

KEY of Twilight. I'm pretty sure Haseo didn't become an epic poem.

[shugo_lover]

I think kite's xth form looks pretty kool

[autumnmycat]

I like most of the Xth form designs too. Just not sure I agree with who gets them. Kite, Haseo, Tsukasa definitely. Pretty much everyone else, no.

Although, seeing Silabus as a pirate does peek my interest. Maybe he has a run in with a giant fish or something...

[|kenji|]

more Xth Forms

http://www.rpgland.com/content/media/20 ... syou47.jpg
http://www.rpgland.com/content/media/20 ... syou48.jpg
http://www.rpgland.com/content/media/20 ... syou49.jpg

the only good one is Alkaid's, all the other ones are **** imho

[Advent_Winter]

So let's see here. Shino's coming back( AnimeMonkey shall be pleased.) but she looks like a college graduate in her Xth Form, Pi, Kuhn, Sakubo, Endrance, and Gabi have returned, BUT HE'S EVIL?! HELL YES!! I always wanted to fight him. Awesome find again |kenji|.

[Kuukai]

Now Kuhn has horns?! Wtf? Gabi is a Chaotic PK, that's so bizarre.

[Advent_Winter]

Don't forget Endrance. He has a horn too. As of Kestral's Guildmaster from G.U., Seeing him as a chaotic PK isn't much of a shocker. Running a PK-infested guild? It was bound to happen...I'm just glad I get to fight him. >:D

[Tolby]

From the very first picture of Elk, I knew it was just a memory. Especially with part of the story now explained, but I was hoping maybe..

Seeing Endrance is kind of depressing though. Hell, seeing that many G.U. characters is depressing. Oh well, maybe he'll act as cute as he did in returner, or at least have moved out of his mom's house by now. Or maybe Haseo will finally see the light.

[|kenji|]

http://img235.imagevenue.com/img.php?im ... _203lo.jpg
http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?im ... _401lo.jpg

another version of the scans, which shows better the upper part of the second page =)

Gabi as a chaotic pker?

damn, am i the only one that hates this game more and more everytime we get some new info? >___>

[Kuukai]

Don't forget Endrance. He has a horn too. As of Kestral's Guildmaster from G.U., Seeing him as a chaotic PK isn't much of a shocker. Running a PK-infested guild? It was bound to happen...I'm just glad I get to fight him. >:D

He wasn't pro-PK so much as anti-anti-PK, so it's still a little weird. He's usually way classier, but at the same time it represents kinda neat shift in setting...

From the very first picture of Elk, I knew it was just a memory. Especially with part of the story now explained, but I was hoping maybe..

Seeing Endrance is kind of depressing though. Hell, seeing that many G.U. characters is depressing. Oh well, maybe he'll act as cute as he did in returner, or at least have moved out of his mom's house by now. Or maybe Haseo will finally see the light.

Well, Sora and Haseo show up, we're not 100% sure why, so Elk could still show up as something other than a flashback.

[Tolby]

Well I didn't mean only memory/flashback, but also revisited time period as well. Unless you meant even more than that as well.

The only thing that might save my happiness is if Endrance goes with Tokio story mode wise and as he goes to the past his PC reverts back to Elk. Being Endrance, but with his Elk memories so fresh that his personality might also slightly revert. Or even if his personality stayed the same it would still be amazing.

[Gemcrim]

damn, am i the only one that hates this game more and more everytime we get some new info? >___>

Sup :V

The only thing I like from this update is that they're finally assed to show all illustrations of Schicksal at once (this doesn't excite me so much as I'm glad they're done ***** around only showing 6 of the 8 illustrated members at once). Endrance's Xth form, and fightable Gabi is something I was expecting in G.U. volume 3 (thought it'd be in the tourney) before I knew the whole plot. Though interesting things I'm not caring very much, and this is proving more and more, everybody gets an Xth form which I am still strongly against, but at least the characters revealed getting them aren't MOTHER ***** SILABUS (or someone just as useless).

[Kuukai]

Well, we knew all party members were getting one.

Hell, seeing that many G.U. characters is depressing.

I forgot to mention that this round of character reveals is specifically focused on G.U., that's why there are so many.