Is this really how the Xth form was made? Spoilers

[Azure crow]

Actually,
 Rebirth and Xth form happened at the same time.It can't really be said which brought him back.

[AuraTwilight]

Actually, it can. Do you  See a little Ovan head ontop of Cubia? No, I see a Haseo head. :D

[Azure crow]

Actually, it can. Do you  See a little Ovan head ontop of Cubia? No, I see a Haseo head.

[Kuukai]

 I wasn't saying that Corbenik didn't exist.But if Cubia was going to pay attention to it,even if it was lost,then Cubia would have awakened strait from the point Yata awakened,instead of the point of Xth forms creation.

 No, saying Cubia would have awoken when Fidchell did is like saying Cubia would have awoken right when Kite got the bracelet. It makes no sense. Cubia stems from using that power. Cubia wasn't born until the phases, via Ovan, used their power on the whole Internet, which made a huge Cubia. Just like when Kite messed with something he wasn't supposed to mess with. Haseo did no such thing with his Xth form...

 It makes sense that it's anti-existing the xth form,and not all the users instead.
Of course,that's with me assuming that death means nothign to Cubia as long as the key of twilight exists,so it could come back even if it dies via the distruction of the key.

 No matter where Cubia came from, be it Xth form or the phases, he was killed via hand-waving. Technically, there's no way Cubia should have been killed without destroying the spurce of his power, it just happened. The only remotely good explanation is that Ovan gave up his Epitaph, causing him to be lost even more, but that doesn't work with the retcon. The dark Haseo on Cubia could be a sort of figurehead, as Skeith was the first phase. It was around even when the official explanation was that it was all Ovan's fault. Maybe they'll figure it all and put out a better official explanation someday...

[AuraTwilight]

 I wasn't saying that Corbenik didn't exist.But if Cubia was going to pay attention to it,even if it was lost,then Cubia would have awakened strait from the point Yata awakened,instead of the point of Xth forms creation.

 No, saying Cubia would have awoken when Fidchell did is like saying Cubia would have awoken right when Kite got the bracelet. It makes no sense. Cubia stems from using that power. Cubia wasn't born until the phases, via Ovan, used their power on the whole Internet, which made a huge Cubia. Just like when Kite messed with something he wasn't supposed to mess with. Haseo did no such thing with his Xth form...

 It makes sense that it's anti-existing the xth form,and not all the users instead.
Of course,that's with me assuming that death means nothign to Cubia as long as the key of twilight exists,so it could come back even if it dies via the distruction of the key.

 No matter where Cubia came from, be it Xth form or the phases, he was killed via hand-waving. Technically, there's no way Cubia should have been killed without destroying the spurce of his power, it just happened. The only remotely good explanation is that Ovan gave up his Epitaph, causing him to be lost even more, but that doesn't work with the retcon. The dark Haseo on Cubia could be a sort of figurehead, as Skeith was the first phase. It was around even when the official explanation was that it was all Ovan's fault. Maybe they'll figure it all and put out a better official explanation someday...

 Couldn't it be that there's more than one method to stop Cubia? Perhaps the use of all eight Avatars, IE, Morganna, might've been able to reprogram Cubia to give Haseo "permission" or some such thing.

[Azure crow]

 Couldn't it be that there's more than one method to stop Cubia? Perhaps the use of all eight Avatars, IE, Morganna, might've been able to reprogram Cubia to give Haseo "permission" or some such thing.

 Your suggesting they hacked Cubia,and Ctrl/Alt/Deleted him,in other words?
It's a pretty solid fact that nothing,even morganna,can hack the blackbox or it's contents,otherwise //IMOQ would have been easily ended with "and morganna cut out the part of her programing that forbad her from killing Aura,then erased Aura entirly".
Honestly,I'm sure it was just equal mass,or over-mass.
If I was right in saying it was the xth form that Cubia anti-exists,then giving xth form the epitaphs as a bonous,as they did,may cause the mass of Xth form to overrid Cubia,thus allowing it to die.They could have simply completly crushed Cubia under the weight of what could be thought of as Xth form+Morganna.
Actually,the xth vaiable could help simplify what I mean.
If X represents xth form,and cubia is equal,then x would also equal Cubia.
If,though,Xth was given the epitaphs,it'd be X+1(assuming 1 as the epitaphs) and X+1 would be greater than X,so it would beat it.
Even if Cubia draws as an anti-existance,it's still an existance,and can thusly be detroyed.

[mr.classybear]

Whenever the spoiler tags dont work for me, i press the quote button and i can see the post.

[AuraTwilight]

 Couldn't it be that there's more than one method to stop Cubia? Perhaps the use of all eight Avatars, IE, Morganna, might've been able to reprogram Cubia to give Haseo "permission" or some such thing.

 Your suggesting they hacked Cubia,and Ctrl/Alt/Deleted him,in other words?
It's a pretty solid fact that nothing,even morganna,can hack the blackbox or it's contents,otherwise //IMOQ would have been easily ended with "and morganna cut out the part of her programing that forbad her from killing Aura,then erased Aura entirly".
Honestly,I'm sure it was just equal mass,or over-mass.
If I was right in saying it was the xth form that Cubia anti-exists,then giving xth form the epitaphs as a bonous,as they did,may cause the mass of Xth form to overrid Cubia,thus allowing it to die.They could have simply completly crushed Cubia under the weight of what could be thought of as Xth form+Morganna.
Actually,the xth vaiable could help simplify what I mean.
If X represents xth form,and cubia is equal,then x would also equal Cubia.
If,though,Xth was given the epitaphs,it'd be X+1(assuming 1 as the epitaphs) and X+1 would be greater than X,so it would beat it.
Even if Cubia draws as an anti-existance,it's still an existance,and can thusly be detroyed.

 The Key of the Twilight can overhaul the entire system. I'm sure Haseo can Deus Ex Machina his way to get whatever the hell he wants. Though I like the way you put things, too. That could be the case. They tried to offer the Epitaphs like the Bracelet, plus Xth Form, and they "overflowed" the Cubia Bucket.

God, I can't read half of these posts because spoiler tags don't work for me. >_<

Hit the quote button.

And the Skeith DEFINITELY has something to do with the Xth form. There's a cutscene where you talk to Skeith just before you get the Xth form. (Just before as in, 2 seconds before)

Yea, so what? That doesn't mean there's a connection. Skeith was basically talking to Haseo's consciousness while he was undergoing  Haxx0r surgery.

[Azure crow]

 Couldn't it be that there's more than one method to stop Cubia? Perhaps the use of all eight Avatars, IE, Morganna, might've been able to reprogram Cubia to give Haseo "permission" or some such thing.

 Your suggesting they hacked Cubia,and Ctrl/Alt/Deleted him,in other words?
It's a pretty solid fact that nothing,even morganna,can hack the blackbox or it's contents,otherwise //IMOQ would have been easily ended with "and morganna cut out the part of her programing that forbad her from killing Aura,then erased Aura entirly".
Honestly,I'm sure it was just equal mass,or over-mass.
If I was right in saying it was the xth form that Cubia anti-exists,then giving xth form the epitaphs as a bonous,as they did,may cause the mass of Xth form to overrid Cubia,thus allowing it to die.They could have simply completly crushed Cubia under the weight of what could be thought of as Xth form+Morganna.
Actually,the xth vaiable could help simplify what I mean.
If X represents xth form,and cubia is equal,then x would also equal Cubia.
If,though,Xth was given the epitaphs,it'd be X+1(assuming 1 as the epitaphs) and X+1 would be greater than X,so it would beat it.
Even if Cubia draws as an anti-existance,it's still an existance,and can thusly be detroyed.

 The Key of the Twilight can overhaul the entire system. I'm sure Haseo can Deus Ex Machina his way to get whatever the hell he wants. Though I like the way you put things, too. That could be the case. They tried to offer the Epitaphs like the Bracelet, plus Xth Form, and they "overflowed" the Cubia Bucket.

 Xth form may be the key,but Haseo dons't have complete control of it,just like Kite didn't have full control of the braclet.
The xth form isn't a super hack pass,it's just an powerful state of being that makes Haseo almost online god in The World.
He can't hack the system effectivly,so he couldn't have simply hacked Cubia and beaten him.

Any anyways,if that was true it would contradict needing Ovan's help before he could beat it.

[Crimson Blade]

Heh..... to all who r looking 4 an answer, it is not as elusive as u think.

[AuraTwilight]

 Xth form may be the key,but Haseo dons't have complete control of it,just like Kite didn't have full control of the braclet.
The xth form isn't a super hack pass,it's just an powerful state of being that makes Haseo almost online god in The World.
He can't hack the system effectivly,so he couldn't have simply hacked Cubia and beaten him.

Any anyways,if that was true it would contradict needing Ovan's help before he could beat it.

 Agreed, but it could've picked up on his emotions or something like an Epitaph. Anyway, hacking Cubia makes the most sense out of any other theory I've heard.

[Azure crow]

 Xth form may be the key,but Haseo dons't have complete control of it,just like Kite didn't have full control of the braclet.
The xth form isn't a super hack pass,it's just an powerful state of being that makes Haseo almost online god in The World.
He can't hack the system effectivly,so he couldn't have simply hacked Cubia and beaten him.

Any anyways,if that was true it would contradict needing Ovan's help before he could beat it.

 Agreed, but it could've picked up on his emotions or something like an Epitaph. Anyway, hacking Cubia makes the most sense out of any other theory I've heard.

 The key isn't sentient when it takes the form of Xth form,and dosn't register emotions like an epitaph would.
The braclet didn;t,after all.The only reason Aura does is because she's intended to,and I doubt Zelkova had "react to Haseo's emotions" in the shape plans.
Aside from that,it seems that hackign the blackbox,or it's programs,is nearly impossible when they are active,so hacking Cubia would have been immpossible.

I'm still going for the (X+1) vs X theory.

[AuraTwilight]

 Xth form may be the key,but Haseo dons't have complete control of it,just like Kite didn't have full control of the braclet.
The xth form isn't a super hack pass,it's just an powerful state of being that makes Haseo almost online god in The World.
He can't hack the system effectivly,so he couldn't have simply hacked Cubia and beaten him.

Any anyways,if that was true it would contradict needing Ovan's help before he could beat it.

 Agreed, but it could've picked up on his emotions or something like an Epitaph. Anyway, hacking Cubia makes the most sense out of any other theory I've heard.

 The key isn't sentient when it takes the form of Xth form,and dosn't register emotions like an epitaph would.
The braclet didn;t,after all.The only reason Aura does is because she's intended to,and I doubt Zelkova had "react to Haseo's emotions" in the shape plans.
Aside from that,it seems that hackign the blackbox,or it's programs,is nearly impossible when they are active,so hacking Cubia would have been immpossible.

I'm still going for the (X+1) vs X theory.

 The Guardian could register Tsukasa's emotions and it didn't seem to be more sentient than any other monster, just hacked. Besides, Skeith couldalways interpret Haseo's will on the Key's behalf. And Zelkova's plans only applied to Xth Form as a class, so that's a meaningless point.

And hacking the Blackbox is plenty possible; just not by someone like a CC Corp Admin.

[Azure crow]

 Agreed, but it could've picked up on his emotions or something like an Epitaph. Anyway, hacking Cubia makes the most sense out of any other theory I've heard.

 The key isn't sentient when it takes the form of Xth form,and dosn't register emotions like an epitaph would.
The braclet didn;t,after all.The only reason Aura does is because she's intended to,and I doubt Zelkova had "react to Haseo's emotions" in the shape plans.
Aside from that,it seems that hackign the blackbox,or it's programs,is nearly impossible when they are active,so hacking Cubia would have been immpossible.

I'm still going for the (X+1) vs X theory.

 The Guardian could register Tsukasa's emotions and it didn't seem to be more sentient than any other monster, just hacked. Besides, Skeith couldalways interpret Haseo's will on the Key's behalf. And Zelkova's plans only applied to Xth Form as a class, so that's a meaningless point.

And hacking the Blackbox is plenty possible; just not by someone like a CC Corp Admin.