Is this really how the Xth form was made? Spoilers

[mr.classybear]

Every time Haseo beats a Epitaph User, he gets the Avatars data. I heard that the 7 key items you get after beating them are used to create the Xth form. Is this true?

[AuraTwilight]

No.

 Skeith fully merges with Haseo's PC, breaking the system.

[mr.classybear]

LAAAMMMEEEEE!!!!!! I guess those key items will never have a purpose.

[.hack//BICTIOUS]

What are you talking about? Go to the Serpent of Lore and access Yata's terminal. You'll see the purpose of the items right there.

[Persongus]

No.

 Skeith fully merges with Haseo's PC, breaking the system. 

Everyone I've run into disagrees with you. Skeith uses them to create Xth Form. (I'd have used Spoiler Tags, but they fuxxor my post.)

LAAAMMMEEEEE!!!!!! I guess those key items will never have a purpose.

Oh, for... you use them for the Avatar Simulator in the Serpent of Lore.

[mr.classybear]

I wanted them to do somthing in the story

I dont know were i heard about it, but i know that someone once said that Zelkova used the data from all 8 phases that Haseo got from data draining them to help create the Xth form. Can someone subb the scene before haseo gets Xth form and right after?

[AuraTwilight]

Everyone I've run into disagrees with you. Skeith uses them to create Xth Form.

Everyone you've run into is wrong, because Kuukai, Zer0, Shinsou Wotan, the GU Perfect Guidebook, and the actual game agree with me.

I wanted them to do somthing in the story

They do.

 Corbenik's "Rebirth" ability is only activated when Skeith, loaded with the data of the other Avatars, defeats him in battle, so Skeith + Other Phase Data = Corbenik can use Rebirth. This led to confusion because Haseo gets Xth Form RIGHT after the Rebirth is used due to damage to his PC.

I dont know were i heard about it, but i know that someone once said that Zelkova used the data from all 8 phases that Haseo got from data draining them to help create the Xth form. Can someone subb the scene before haseo gets Xth form and right after?

Whoever told you that was wrong. Zelkova only "shaped" Xth Form. Skeith was the one who actually created it.

[mr.classybear]

AHH!! SO THATS WHY OVAN  needed all 8 phases awakened. Now i understand what that english cutscene from volume 3 ment when ovan said that he needed Yata awakened for his plan to work

[Kuukai]

Actually, Xth Form was because he absorbed all the Epitaph data, iirc. I'm pretty sure that's the explanation Yata came up with for how Haseo was now the Key of the Twilight. Also, in the process of looking for more information, I found it confirmed that the face mark Haseo and Kite share is the mark of the Key of the Twilight.

[mr.classybear]

Actually, Xth Form was because he absorbed all the Epitaph data, iirc. I'm pretty sure that's the explanation Yata came up with for how Haseo was now the Key of the Twilight. Also, in the process of looking for more information, I found it confirmed that the face mark Haseo and Kite share is the mark of the Key of the Twilight.

So the rumor I heard is true? And where did you learn about the mark on Haseo's face being the mark of the Key of the Twilight?

[Kuukai]

Yes, at least as far as I know, this entire area of the plot is unclear because of the Cubia retcon though...

From an interview in the Vol.3 Complete Guide.

[mr.classybear]

Yes, at least as far as I know, this entire area of the plot is unclear because of the Cubia retcon though...

From an interview in the Vol.3 Complete Guide.

whats a retcon? And why does Cubia make it unclear?

[Kuukai]

A retcon is a reworking of a plot point that was originally made/intended to be a different way.  In .hack//Truth, they introduced the concept that Cubia was the anti-existence of Haseo, not of the Epitaph PCs. Going just by what was originally presented in the games though, Cubia is the anti-existence of them all, having spread throughout the entire Internet as a result of Ovan releasing Rebirth throughout it.

[Azure crow]

 In .hack//Truth, they introduced the concept that Cubia was the anti-existence of Haseo, not of the Epitaph PCs. Going just by what was originally presented in the games though, Cubia is the anti-existence of them all, having spread throughout the entire Internet as a result of Ovan releasing Rebirth throughout it.

 If it was the case that it was the anti existance fo them all,then Haseo would have been able to beat it without Ovan's help,as Cubia couldn't have fully anti-existed the not active Corbenik.
And the use of the genome data to create the key of twilight seems logical,as otherwise it would have been no more of a key of twilight then Skeith himself was.
It's having the morganna factors fused that created it,although the Xth form itself was the shape.
My point is that if you consider things,saying that Haseo and Skeith fusing and "breakign the system" makes no sense,because it would not break the system any more than Skeith already does.Equal mass would claim that it would need more than one player is intended to have,by some standard the blackbox has prebuilt,and the blackbox dosn't seem to mind avatars,but having peices of all of them would be something that would label it as the key of twilight,and would be proven so by Cubia being released for the xth form,but not for the avatars themselves individually.
And keepign that in mind,it would be assumed that Haseo alone is the only focous of Cubia's anti-existing trait

[AuraTwilight]

 In .hack//Truth, they introduced the concept that Cubia was the anti-existence of Haseo, not of the Epitaph PCs. Going just by what was originally presented in the games though, Cubia is the anti-existence of them all, having spread throughout the entire Internet as a result of Ovan releasing Rebirth throughout it.

 If it was the case that it was the anti existance fo them all,then Haseo would have been able to beat it without Ovan's help,as Cubia couldn't have fully anti-existed the not active Corbenik.
And the use of the genome data to create the key of twilight seems logical,as otherwise it would have been no more of a key of twilight then Skeith himself was.
It's having the morganna factors fused that created it,although the Xth form itself was the shape.
My point is that if you consider things,saying that Haseo and Skeith fusing and "breakign the system" makes no sense,because it would not break the system any more than Skeith already does.Equal mass would claim that it would need more than one player is intended to have,by some standard the blackbox has prebuilt,and the blackbox dosn't seem to mind avatars,but having peices of all of them would be something that would label it as the key of twilight,and would be proven so by Cubia being released for the xth form,but not for the avatars themselves individually.
And keepign that in mind,it would be assumed that Haseo alone is the only focous of Cubia's anti-existing trait

Well, that's just what I heard from I THOUGHT was Kuukai. But that was probably when he wasn't done with the game yet.

[Kuukai]

 If it was the case that it was the anti existance fo them all,then Haseo would have been able to beat it without Ovan's help,as Cubia couldn't have fully anti-existed the not active Corbenik.

No, Corbenik still existed, though both it and Ovan were lost in the system. Aura told Haseo about the "Kite" method of killing Cubia, but said that it wouldn't work unless they could recover Ovan and destroy his epitaph along with the others. This, like I said, seems to have been retconned by Truth, but it was perfectly clear in the games. I don't recall passing any other version of the story along, except my theories before Vol.3 came out and the Truth explanation.

[mr.classybear]

 If it was the case that it was the anti existance fo them all,then Haseo would have been able to beat it without Ovan's help,as Cubia couldn't have fully anti-existed the not active Corbenik.

No, Corbenik still existed, though both it and Ovan were lost in the system. Aura told Haseo about the "Kite" method of killing Cubia, but said that it wouldn't work unless they could recover Ovan and destroy his epitaph along with the others. This, like I said, seems to have been retconned by Truth, but it was perfectly clear in the games. I don't recall passing any other version of the story along, except my theories before Vol.3 came out and the Truth explanation.

Im not that smart so sorry if i got this wrong. Your saying that in the sotry, all 8 epitaphs were supost to be destroyed, but they changed it? I get confused easily :S

[Kuukai]

No, they couldn't do that so they just deus ex machina'd out of it, destroying Cubia in an actual fight rather than by proxy. Returning all the epitaphs to the sea of data could have done the job, but that was impossible to do since Ovan was missing.

Basically the only "change" I'm talking about is how said in the article Truth that Cubia was the shadow of Haseo, not all 8. Since they changed that, it's hard to know what's what now.

[Azure crow]

 If it was the case that it was the anti existance fo them all,then Haseo would have been able to beat it without Ovan's help,as Cubia couldn't have fully anti-existed the not active Corbenik.

No, Corbenik still existed, though both it and Ovan were lost in the system. Aura told Haseo about the "Kite" method of killing Cubia, but said that it wouldn't work unless they could recover Ovan and destroy his epitaph along with the others. This, like I said, seems to have been retconned by Truth, but it was perfectly clear in the games. I don't recall passing any other version of the story along, except my theories before Vol.3 came out and the Truth explanation.

 I wasn't saying that Corbenik didn't exist.But if Cubia was going to pay attention to it,even if it was lost,then Cubia would have awakened strait from the point Yata awakened,instead of the point of Xth forms creation.
It makes sense that it's anti-existing the xth form,and not all the users instead.
Of course,that's with me assuming that death means nothign to Cubia as long as the key of twilight exists,so it could come back even if it dies via the distruction of the key.

[mr.classybear]

 If it was the case that it was the anti existance fo them all,then Haseo would have been able to beat it without Ovan's help,as Cubia couldn't have fully anti-existed the not active Corbenik.

No, Corbenik still existed, though both it and Ovan were lost in the system. Aura told Haseo about the "Kite" method of killing Cubia, but said that it wouldn't work unless they could recover Ovan and destroy his epitaph along with the others. This, like I said, seems to have been retconned by Truth, but it was perfectly clear in the games. I don't recall passing any other version of the story along, except my theories before Vol.3 came out and the Truth explanation.

 I wasn't saying that Corbenik didn't exist.But if Cubia was going to pay attention to it,even if it was lost,then Cubia would have awakened strait from the point Yata awakened,instead of the point of Xth forms creation.
It makes sense that it's anti-existing the xth form,and not all the users instead.
Of course,that's with me assuming that death means nothign to Cubia as long as the key of twilight exists,so it could come back even if it dies via the distruction of the key.

But... i thought he came back after Ovan used the rebirth?? im befuddled. Heheheh. I hope that means what i think it means.