I'm highly suspicious of TSN..

[Jimbob]

Didnt Yata say that the player was booted straight to the vegetable farm? I dont buy this whole TSN deal either. Thats not a "delete stick" AK wacked that guy with... that was a full blown "coma-ray".

AK's data drain doesn't cause coma's. Note how Haseo was notably not comatose after being drained. That wasn't luck that was hint number one that   Kite wasn't the cause of the comas.

[AlphaBlades]

I have my own theory on Azure Kite I think they used the shattered braclet and copied the damaged data from that because people keep on saying that A Kite's braclet looks damaged

Azure Flame Kite's Bracelet wasn't broken in Roots. Your theory fails.

A lot was different in ROOTS than it was in G.U., have you forgot?

If you're trying to say that ROOTS isn't canon, then you're wrong >.> Just because some things were different doesn't mean everything was dramatically changed. Yes, fight sequences may have been changed at the artist's descretion.. But Plot points remains the same... I.E. The Development and partial descruction of Azure Kite's bracelet.

[AuraTwilight]

I was talking about the original braclet Kite had the one he lost in the fight with Cubia

Yea, so? That's not the one Azure Kite has. He has his own totally unique Bracelet. For one thing, Azure Kite, assuming he's the TSN, technically existed at the same time as normal Kite for about four years, and Azure Flame Kite's Bracelet is the only one that can repair data.
AK's data drain doesn't cause coma's. Note how Haseo was notably not comatose after being drained. That wasn't luck that was hint number one that Kite wasn't the cause of the comas.

True that. But there's also the possibility that Data Drain can't sent Epitaph PC's into comas.

A lot was different in ROOTS than it was in G.U., have you forgot?

Yea, because ONE IS THE PREQUEL TO THE OTHER LOL STOOPID.

[Jimbob]

True that. But there's also the possibility that Data Drain can't sent Epitaph PC's into comas.

But Data drain isn't the cause of the comas, infected PC's are.

[Nukasa]

I know it's pretty much a given, but I still have that dim light of hope that it's just some CCorp BS to hide more truth from the players, few things

-Kites Player data, so the bracelet also.. Is protected.
-We saw a scene where Azure Kite put a player in a coma, I didn't get this, even if he was cheating, hey AK, wanna come GM WoW?
- They seem smart for AI's
-They join your party, AI's don't have Member Adresses

Post your opinions :3

Hello? Mia was an AI, and she gave Kite her member address.

[Azure_Flame_Deity]

Remember Zefie? And how smart she was?

You're forgetting, however, that Zefie was the daughter of Aura, the ultimate AI with human intelligence, perhaps even more. :/ In that sense, she is far more intelligent that a normal AI and hence invalid in this arguement.

[Tadashi]

A lot was different in ROOTS than it was in G.U., have you forgot?

Yea, because ONE IS THE PREQUEL TO THE OTHER LOL STOOPID.

Yay, all inconsistencies in design are caused BY IT BEING A PREQUEL AND NOT BECAUSE IT'S MADE BY SOMEONE ELSE ROFL.

@AlphaBlades
I didn't say that ROOTS isn't canon at all, just that they made a lot of artistic changes like Haseo being a hunchback in his third form or Saburou watching his fight with AK.

[Kryuzei]

btw, i just remember what mia said in vol 3.
she said that she don't have any memories about real life. The fact that she's worrying about it, she must've get a part of real world memory.
plz..i just don't understand this.
why would Harald/Morganna make a memory like that to an AI like Mia.....hh...#_#

[XenoSabre]

True that. But there's also the possibility that Data Drain can't sent Epitaph PC's into comas

Probably correct. Data Drain didn't affect Kite and his party either because of the protection. It just inflicted really bad status effects.

I'm interested in how they were able to create the TSN System. Didn't the Book of Twilight also install security onto Kite's character data that he can't be deleted, banned or modified? .... or is this another one of those Liminality non-canon easter eggs?

All of that security was cracked when Amagi got into the Black Box data. That is where all of that data came from. With its encryption protocols cracked, CC Corp would be able to do just about anything; delete Kite, edit a Phase, reinitiate Morganna, delete Aura, or even restart the Twilight. the possibilities are endless.

[Tri-Edge999]

True that. But there's also the possibility that Data Drain can't sent Epitaph PC's into comas

Probably correct. Data Drain didn't affect Kite and his party either because of the protection. It just inflicted really bad status effects.

I'm interested in how they were able to create the TSN System. Didn't the Book of Twilight also install security onto Kite's character data that he can't be deleted, banned or modified? .... or is this another one of those Liminality non-canon easter eggs?

All of that security was cracked when Amagi got into the Black Box data. That is where all of that data came from. With its encryption protocols cracked, CC Corp would be able to do just about anything; delete Kite, edit a Phase, reinitiate Morganna, delete Aura, or even restart the Twilight. the possibilities are endless.

that would seem to imply that he surpassed the genius of harald. i thought that was Jun's whole point in that terminal disk report, that amagi failed to surpass harlad. so i dont think he managed to destroy the protection of the black box. if so, he could (and would) have forced aura to return to the world instead of trying the whole RA plan.

[AuraTwilight]

Yay, all inconsistencies in design are caused BY IT BEING A PREQUEL AND NOT BECAUSE IT'S MADE BY SOMEONE ELSE ROFL.

@AlphaBlades
I didn't say that ROOTS isn't canon at all, just that they made a lot of artistic changes like Haseo being a hunchback in his third form or Saburou watching his fight with AK.

Yea, but something like a broken Bracelet would be a SEVERE plotpoint. The reason it's broken in Volume 1 is because it didn't regenerate with the rest of Azure Flame Kite.

btw, i just remember what mia said in vol 3.
she said that she don't have any memories about real life. The fact that she's worrying about it, she must've get a part of real world memory.
plz..i just don't understand this.
why would Harald/Morganna make a memory like that to an AI like Mia.....hh...#_#

You mean Quarantine? ¬_¬ Anyway, it's not that she has false memories. It's just that she's just now realizing she's supposed to have RL memories if she's a person. She existed only in The World, and assumed that was the same for everyone else until she realized, probably due to Elk's conversations, that there's a world outside she doesn't exist in.

All of that security was cracked when Amagi got into the Black Box data. That is where all of that data came from. With its encryption protocols cracked, CC Corp would be able to do just about anything; delete Kite, edit a Phase, reinitiate Morganna, delete Aura, or even restart the Twilight. the possibilities are endless.

I wouldn't include deleting Aura, since she extends and exists beyond the Black Box and even The World.

that would seem to imply that he surpassed the genius of harald. i thought that was Jun's whole point in that terminal disk report, that amagi failed to surpass harlad. so i dont think he managed to destroy the protection of the black box. if so, he could (and would) have forced aura to return to the world instead of trying the whole RA plan.

He did, and he didn't. He was making considerable progress when he created the Epitaph PC's, but he got arrogant and didn't love The World, so it pwned his ass.

Also, Aura left. You can't use a program to modify something that's not there.

[Tri-Edge999]

All of that security was cracked when Amagi got into the Black Box data. That is where all of that data came from. With its encryption protocols cracked, CC Corp would be able to do just about anything; delete Kite, edit a Phase, reinitiate Morganna, delete Aura, or even restart the Twilight. the possibilities are endless.

I wouldn't include deleting Aura, since she extends and exists beyond the Black Box and even The World.

that would seem to imply that he surpassed the genius of harald. i thought that was Jun's whole point in that terminal disk report, that amagi failed to surpass harlad. so i dont think he managed to destroy the protection of the black box. if so, he could (and would) have forced aura to return to the world instead of trying the whole RA plan.

He did, and he didn't. He was making considerable progress when he created the Epitaph PC's, but he got arrogant and didn't love The World, so it pwned his ass.

Also, Aura left. You can't use a program to modify something that's not there

i know that. doesn't jun say something like amagi commited the same sin as morrganna, he placed himself above the world, which is why he (and she failed) and kite didn't? and the RA plan didn't go exectly as he had planned, it kind of worked (the eptaphs bonding to PCs. but that took a looong time to happen correctly) but it did not bring about a revival of aura, instead it kind of messed things up.

on the other hand, harlad's plan didn't go like clockworth either (whole twilight incident) so i really can't say amagi's plan not woking the exact way he wanted it makes him inferior to harald. but all in all, i still think is better then amagi, for the sole fact that harald didn't kill mia (makes me wonder what the whole point of that bonus dunegon was now..)

[AuraTwilight]

i know that. doesn't jun say something like amagi commited the same sin as morrganna, he placed himself above the world, which is why he (and she failed) and kite didn't? and the RA plan didn't go exectly as he had planned, it kind of worked (the eptaphs bonding to PCs. but that took a looong time to happen correctly) but it did not bring about a revival of aura, instead it kind of messed things up.

Exactly

on the other hand, harlad's plan didn't go like clockworth either (whole twilight incident) so i really can't say amagi's plan not woking the exact way he wanted it makes him inferior to harald. but all in all, i still think is better then amagi, for the sole fact that harald didn't kill mia (makes me wonder what the whole point of that bonus dunegon was now..)

Well, Mia did get a whole extra five or so years of life to live with Elk, which is quite a long time by AI standards, since most of them don't even get a year and Aura only lived for four years. So actually, Mia can be proud of the fact that she's actually older than Aura.

[Tri-Edge999]

i was going through my LOTB manga last night, and something caught my eye. when zefie is talking to kaumi, she comments that the bracelet, its weilder and his party are protected by the world. this seems to say to me that it's not the black box or the bracelet that's protecting them, but aura herself (since she is the world). this seems to tell me that the only reason GU was able to even remotly work was that the fact that she was gone, and so was her protection. if she was their, and for some reason they wanted to try to do the project, no matter how smart amagi was, they would have failed.

of course, i could have misunderstood what zefie met their, but i think i got down her meaning. and i wish zefie joins you in voulme 3 to look for aura. that would be great.

new monster type: disco goblin. weakness: afros. *lol*

[Umbra]

The Black Box is an idea, rather than a physical object. The idea is that there are certain elements within The World that cannot be understood or penetrated. These elements were used as a means of creating Aura.

The Bracelet is a part of Aura and gives its wielder her 'blessing' or protection. This means that Aura is protecting them, but through the Bracelet.

Incidentally, I very much doubt Zefie will have any significance outside of the LotT manga.

[Tri-Edge999]

The Black Box is an idea, rather than a physical object. The idea is that there are certain elements within The World that cannot be understood or penetrated. These elements were used as a means of creating Aura.

The Bracelet is a part of Aura and gives its wielder her 'blessing' or protection. This means that Aura is protecting them, but through the Bracelet.

Incidentally, I very much doubt Zefie will have any significance outside of the LotT manga.

thank you. that does make sense. however, don't most people think it was zefie who talked to Jun in Mac Anu during the Interim report? so doesn't that give her a role outside of the manga?

[Tri-Edge999]

I always thought as the black box to be folder that could not be edited or deleted by CC, but could be accssed by aura, or the bracelet.

[Umbra]

thank you. that does make sense. however, don't most people think it was zefie who talked to Jun in Mac Anu during the Interim report? so doesn't that give her a role outside of the manga?

I do believe that was Zefie, but rather than playing any role, I think it was there simply to explain her lack of a role.

[Without Knowledge]

Yay, all inconsistencies in design are caused BY IT BEING A PREQUEL AND NOT BECAUSE IT'S MADE BY SOMEONE ELSE ROFL.

@AlphaBlades
I didn't say that ROOTS isn't canon at all, just that they made a lot of artistic changes like Haseo being a hunchback in his third form or Saburou watching his fight with AK.

Yea, but something like a broken Bracelet would be a SEVERE plotpoint. The reason it's broken in Volume 1 is because it didn't regenerate with the rest of Azure Flame Kite.

btw, i just remember what mia said in vol 3.
she said that she don't have any memories about real life. The fact that she's worrying about it, she must've get a part of real world memory.
plz..i just don't understand this.
why would Harald/Morganna make a memory like that to an AI like Mia.....hh...#_#

You mean Quarantine? ¬_¬ Anyway, it's not that she has false memories. It's just that she's just now realizing she's supposed to have RL memories if she's a person. She existed only in The World, and assumed that was the same for everyone else until she realized, probably due to Elk's conversations, that there's a world outside she doesn't exist in.

All of that security was cracked when Amagi got into the Black Box data. That is where all of that data came from. With its encryption protocols cracked, CC Corp would be able to do just about anything; delete Kite, edit a Phase, reinitiate Morganna, delete Aura, or even restart the Twilight. the possibilities are endless.

I wouldn't include deleting Aura, since she extends and exists beyond the Black Box and even The World.

that would seem to imply that he surpassed the genius of harald. i thought that was Jun's whole point in that terminal disk report, that amagi failed to surpass harlad. so i dont think he managed to destroy the protection of the black box. if so, he could (and would) have forced aura to return to the world instead of trying the whole RA plan.

He did, and he didn't. He was making considerable progress when he created the Epitaph PC's, but he got arrogant and didn't love The World, so it pwned his ass.

Also, Aura left. You can't use a program to modify something that's not there.

Question, where does it say again that Aura has left? I know it does, but something tells me that it isn't as literal as people are making it sound. "Aura's gone" could be taken a number of ways, after all.

[Umbra]

Actually, the statement that Aura left wouldn't have too many connotations, she's a god so she can't die and she's definitely not looking after the internet.

Whether or not she left of her own free will has yet to be determined, but we're pretty certain that she did leave.