AIDA and Avatar relation? (Possible Spoilers?)

[Goldhawk00]

(I'm a bit unsure as to what qualifies a spoiler here... I have a terrible habit of absorbing information and forgetting where I got it from, so... if there's any unshielded spoiler info here... let me know please? >_>)

Something's been bothering about this whole fiasco involving AIDA and the emergence/Awakening/What-have-you of the avatars....

To start with, the Avatars were originally segments of Morgana's code yes? When Morgana rebelled against her programming directive of giving 'birth' to the Ultimate A.I. she compartmentalized most of her coding into the eight phases, each capable of acting independently using their own basic A.I. That's where we get the Phases, which later become the avatars...

But part of Morgana's basic code, -which as we can deduce from //SIGN, she was unable to completely counteract- is to gather various kinds of data on humans, compile it, and funnel it into Aura.

When Morgana was finally defeated with the her lost of the last of the eight phases, her overarching program was presumably deactivated and reabsorbed into Aura as she took the place of the new 'god' of The World and as the Ultimate A.I.

With the G.U. plan to recreate Aura by reconstructing the Phases with the data left on the server(s) did they ever recover the overarching program that compiled that Data and feed it Aura? The Terminal disk leads me to believe that they simply gathered the phases and expected it to be like turning on a switch... and didn't bother to recreate the Morgana program in it's entirety. (Maybe they were planning to manually control the influx of data from the various Avatars?)

I'm of the suspicion that AIDA is actually the result of data gathered from the various bits of Morgana that are now the Avatars. Without any overarch program to take the data they gather, order it, and send it somewhere, wouldn't the data just be left to accumulate on the server? As more and more of this A.I. proto material is left laying around you get... well... Artificially Intelligent Data Anomalies. It reminds me of the current proposed theory for how organic life evolved on earth.

If this assumption is true, all that's needed to fix the AIDA problem is to fully recreate the Morgana program and have it tidy everything up...

Hrm... A Penny for your thoughts?

[ME]

the info on the liminality disks were considered non-cannon, so most people turn down the idea the phases being nothing more than morganna's programs. AIDA remains to be one of the biggest mysteries in GU  though it is definite that Ovan is conected to AIDA
that will be 1 penny please

[Goldhawk00]

the info on the liminality disks were considered non-cannon, so most people turn down the idea the phases being nothing more than morganna's programs. AIDA remains to be one of the biggest mysteries in GU  though it is definite that Ovan is conected to AIDA
that will be 1 penny please

*digs up a penny and hands it over.*

Still, I wasn't even thinking of the phony easter eggs. But if the Avatars aren't gathering data to compile into the Ultimate A.I. then why did G.U. bring them about in the first place? Isn't that their whole purpose?

[AuraTwilight]

The Avatars were supposed to link together to fully recreate Morganna. There's no parts of Morganna that aren't part of the Phases. They're her Elements. If you have the eight Phases, you have all of Morganna that she ever, ever was. Not that it matters, since the data collecting algorithm was actually seperate from Morganna. The World is the data gathering problem, and there's no Za Warudo Epitaph User.

I do have to say I like your AIDA theory. It works. Though it's far more likely they're the Anti-Existence to the Avatars, I'm going to consider it.

[tsukasa5021]

While that seems likely, something about your theory seems a bit off.
Can't say what it is, though.

[Goldhawk00]

The Avatars were supposed to link together to fully recreate Morganna.

Go Go Voltron!
..er, sorry. Just the first thing that popped into my head. xD >_>

There's no parts of Morganna that aren't part of the Phases. They're her Elements. If you have the eight Phases, you have all of Morganna that she ever, ever was.

Ah, I suspected that, but I wasn't sure, as I recall bits of phrases from somewhere such as 'clearing out what's left of Morgana from the system.' Although thinking over it again, that's more likely a allusion to what ever data bugs are left wandering around and not Morgana itself.

Not that it matters, since the data collecting algorithm was actually seperate from Morganna. The World is the data gathering problem, and there's no Za Warudo Epitaph User.

That's inspires an interesting question... when they rebuilt the Word, did they manage to reconstruct the data collecting algorithm program? I'm going to hazard a 'no'... and following that, does that mean that there should be a 'Za Warudo' Epitaph User in order for the G.U. plan to work if we follow this theory?

So many questions, so little in the way of answers.

I do have to say I like your AIDA theory. It works. Though it's far more likely they're the Anti-Existence to the Avatars, I'm going to consider it.

Thanks!
But, by 'Anti-Existance to the Avatars', are you implying a Cubia like relation such as Kite had to put up with? I don't see why the two would contradict each other... at this point anyway. The Avatars, like the Bracelet are fulfilling their function, and in doing so, cause their shadows. (Uncompiled data and 'trash' data respectively) Cubia acted as an anti-existance by seeking to oppose whatever the bearer of the Bracelet sought to accomplish. So far, we haven't really much to go on as to what the AIDA's actually want... if we can figure that out, then we can determine whether they fit the mold of being an anti-existance, yes?

[AuraTwilight]

That's inspires an interesting question... when they rebuilt the Word, did they manage to reconstruct the data collecting algorithm program? I'm going to hazard a 'no'... and following that, does that mean that there should be a 'Za Warudo' Epitaph User in order for the G.U. plan to work if we follow this theory?

So many questions, so little in the way of answers.

The data gathering system was the game itself, and since the game was rebuilt with some of the old Za Warudo (Jun mentioned the Black Box was used) then it should be perfectly functional. Heck, the fact that the Lost Grounds and Mac Anu and stuff is fine should be proof, in my opinion. Anyway, there probably shouldn't, not like there could be. You can't shove the entire game into one PC. It's paradoxial, to say the least. Just reconstruct Morganna under Player Control and let her manage the game, then poof. New Aura.

But, by 'Anti-Existance to the Avatars', are you implying a Cubia like relation such as Kite had to put up with? I don't see why the two would contradict each other... at this point anyway. The Avatars, like the Bracelet are fulfilling their function, and in doing so, cause their shadows. (Uncompiled data and 'trash' data respectively) Cubia acted as an anti-existance by seeking to oppose whatever the bearer of the Bracelet sought to accomplish. So far, we haven't really much to go on as to what the AIDA's actually want... if we can figure that out, then we can determine whether they fit the mold of being an anti-existance, yes?

Yes, that's exactly what I mean by Anti-Existence. Anyway, the Anti-Existence thing would contradict your theory since Anti-Existences oppose their Lights. The AIDA, if they were the Anti-Existence, would oppose the Avatar's mission of creating a new AI, which would be paradoxial if they were AI's born from the data the Avatars collected.

The AIDA have determined an interest in the human race, and a desire to take over the Avatars and thus the entire Internet, so I'm sensing an "Assimilate/Evolve" Borg-like motive.

Also, it's heavily implied they're the Anti-Existence Jun mentioned since  Cubia is apparently creating them or something.

Though I'll root for your theory all the same. I really do like it. Though I guess your theory could apply if you replace AIDA with  Eina


Oh, and those are Volume 3 spoilers, by the way. Careful.

[Goldhawk00]

The data gathering system was the game itself, and since the game was rebuilt with some of the old Za Warudo (Jun mentioned the Black Box was used) then it should be perfectly functional. Heck, the fact that the Lost Grounds and Mac Anu and stuff is fine should be proof, in my opinion. Anyway, there probably shouldn't, not like there could be. You can't shove the entire game into one PC. It's paradoxial, to say the least. Just reconstruct Morganna under Player Control and let her manage the game, then poof. New Aura.

Oh yes! The Black Box! Of course, I forgot. >_>

Yes, that's exactly what I mean by Anti-Existence. Anyway, the Anti-Existence thing would contradict your theory since Anti-Existences oppose their Lights. The AIDA, if they were the Anti-Existence, would oppose the Avatar's mission of creating a new AI, which would be paradoxial if they were AI's born from the data the Avatars collected.

Not necessarily, The Avatars' mission is re-initiating the Morganna Program and creating a new Ultimate A.I. yes? A whole bunch of incomplete "prokaryotic" A.I. data anomalies (Resulting from the data that the Avatars are gathering but failing to compile) that bubble around, manipulate players, steal things, send people into comas, etc., isn't really what the Project G.U. wants, if anything, that's the opposite yes? They want little, if any mess. They want to create some Super singlular A.I. that can play Net Nanny and fix all their internet problems so they don't have to, etc.

I don't doubt that AIDA and the Avatars are anti-existances of each other, looking over it, it makes even more sense now with all the stuff I just listed. >_> I'm just hypothesizing why the Avatar's are causing an Anti-Existance at all.

One last thing...
 Eina? That's the speculated 'new Aura'/'Aura replacement' who sits in a room reading a bunch of books yes? That's an interesting possibility as well... instead of getting data funneled into her like Aura did, like a sick child on a feeding tube, she has to manually acquire it herself through constant reading and studying, maybe?

Thank you for your replies, AuraTwilight, you've really set me thinking even more about this... T'will be interesting to see how it all turns out...

[AuraTwilight]

Not necessarily, The Avatars' mission is re-initiating the Morganna Program and creating a new Ultimate A.I. yes? A whole bunch of incomplete "prokaryotic" A.I. data anomalies (Resulting from the data that the Avatars are gathering but failing to compile) that bubble around, manipulate players, steal things, send people into comas, etc., isn't really what the Project G.U. wants, if anything, that's the opposite yes? They want little, if any mess. They want to create some Super singlular A.I. that can play Net Nanny and fix all their internet problems so they don't have to, etc.

Yea, I guess so. Though if that's the case, then that would imply that the Black Box isn't functioning right, and it leaves Eina's books unexplained.

I don't doubt that AIDA and the Avatars are anti-existances of each other, looking over it, it makes even more sense now with all the stuff I just listed. >_> I'm just hypothesizing why the Avatar's are causing an Anti-Existance at all.

Because they're a forbidden power. When the power of the Black Box (Phases, Bracelet, etc.) falls into the hands of a human player, Za Warudo has a sort of "allergic reaction" to protect itself, resulting in an Anti-Existence. They're like white blood cells.

One last thing...
Eina? That's the speculated 'new Aura'/'Aura replacement' who sits in a room reading a bunch of books yes? That's an interesting possibility as well... instead of getting data funneled into her like Aura did, like a sick child on a feeding tube, she has to manually acquire it herself through constant reading and studying, maybe?

Indeed. If anyone is the data collected by the Avatars that was inproperly compiled, it'd be her.

[Goldhawk00]

Because they're a forbidden power. When the power of the Black Box (Phases, Bracelet, etc.) falls into the hands of a human player, Za Warudo has a sort of "allergic reaction" to protect itself, resulting in an Anti-Existence. They're like white blood cells.

Ooooh. I see what you mean now. Interesting. I suppose it depends on how well they managed to integrate the Black Box into The World R:2 then. Or...
 The truth nature of this new Cubia's relationship with AIDA.
That... might take a while to find out, either way. >_>

[Xanathos]

To tell you the truth... what i learned from the Interim Reports, made me conclude that maybe the AIDA is the antiexistence of the Avatar, but there's something more, if that would be completely true, then the AIDA itself shouldn't be destroyed by the Avatar, but in fact, some AIDA are destroyed during G.U. storyline, so... i think that maybe... it's something more, maybe the AIDA are just the sideeffect of the real antiexistence source that it's becoming the new "wave" who menace the World... and, about Ovan, ok he is related with the AIDA, but i think is more related with Eina's existence...

[lukan]

it'd be so funny if the AIDA's turned out to be the protectors of Eina.
and no one would know until it was too late.

>_>
Toszi

[haseoxth]

it'd be so funny if the AIDA's turned out to be the protectors of Eina.
and no one would know until it was too late.

>_>
Toszi

maybe thats what happens to haseo....you know what im talking about....

[lukan]

...........

>_>
Toszi

[Azure crow]

Dummmm dum dummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

that is a good possibility,I'll have to think about that one.
Lets see....
Mabye AIDA is trying to take over avatars to use them to protect Eina,along with giving regular pc's avatar-like beings to help.
...but the why would the azure knights be against it,unless AIDA is going to pull a fast one and try absorb the ultimate AI or something.

[AuraTwilight]

Except "Protection" as a motive doesn't go with ANY of the things they've done at all.

[lukan]

Eina's not a full 'god' yet.
she could be somewhat naive and her 'protectors' could be growing with her.
probably believing that only the rightful 'conscious' of The World deserves to have the phases under its control.

>_>
Toszi

[haseoxth]

Eina's not a full 'god' yet.
she could be somewhat naive and her 'protectors' could be growing with her.
probably believing that only the rightful 'conscious' of The World deserves to have the phases under its control.

>_>
Toszi

or she could be a spoiled brat...and anybody think thats shes the the output of the failed R.A. plan?

[Virk]

I kinda think that the Avatars are collecting data for Aina. The Books are like the  installation book given to Kite by Aura. When she reads them, the data is downloaded into her. Which means the Avatars are collecting data on human emotions, still fulfilling their true purpose. And, maybe, the AIDA are the remnants of the first attempts at  the R.A. Plan.   Cubia could of found a way to fuse with the AIDA (possibly through DD), and learned the plans that Amagi sought out. With this info, he tracked down the first activated Avatar and his user (being Ovan), and fused with him. Ovan, at first, would be willing, and love the new power. But Cubia would find a way into his mind, controlling his character, making him do things he had no control over.

  Cubia's true purpose would be to control ALL of the avatars, collecting data to become the new Ultimate AI. Ovan would log off for long periods of time, but somehow  Cubia would have infected his mind beyond control, and he would log back on to fulfill his new master's plans.

Which explains further why he wants Haseo to kill his character. To get rid of the parasite  Cubia, he needed his character killed, and his pain would be ended. I believe this is how the name  Tri-Edge came up.  Tri: Three Entities.  Edge: ???

[haseoxth]

ummm....the first active avatar was magus....or tarvos...which ever....