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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:25 pm
by Azure crow
It's a creature Morganna created to be her henchmen,gatekeeper,and a small acting force in The World.
It's the equivilant of AIDA<GateKeeper>,in some ways.
There are many of them,not just one,but they are "invincible" in The World,to the naked eye.
In truth,they just don't have a lowering health gauge,and can be killed after a certain amount of damage.
They are Morgannas mindless cervantes,and will obey whatever task Morganna creates them for,even if it goes against Morganna herself,as we see when one goes aginst her and protects Tsukasa,whom it is either bound to without question,or to whom it has grown attached to and wants to protect..kind of like a Sora+Skeith connection,which starts as orders,but elevates later on.

Does that cover it?

Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:11 pm
by silabus
There are a lot of guardians........yyou fight em in Quarintine...........

Zero you cahnge your sig everyday.........

Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 10:41 pm
by AuraTwilight
The Guardians are illegal monsters that are controlled by Macha, really.

Re: What is Tsukasa's Guardian?

Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:28 am
by Haseo{Terror of Death}
Zer0 wrote:What is Tsukasa's Guardian?
tha thing that looks like a bbarbell and follows him around

Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 5:01 am
by Marioshinobi
AuraTwilight wrote:The Guardians are illegal monsters that are controlled by Macha, really.
...*remembers one of the Guardians Drainin Macha..then it's other self..*

It's partly half and half..Morganna made them but Macha controls around one.

Consider it the beings like in the game BioShock, Tsukasa's the little girl and the giant things are just her protector. It has no real signifcance.

Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 11:13 am
by AuraTwilight
Well, Morganna controls Macha, so she can control the Guardians, but the power is primarily Macha's. If Macha is put out of commission, then the power is unusuable. The Guardians vanish when Maha becomes Mia, but they return after Macha is defeated by Kite and goes back to the Sea of Data.

Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 6:03 pm
by Azure crow
AuraTwilight wrote:Well, Morganna controls Macha, so she can control the Guardians, but the power is primarily Macha's. If Macha is put out of commission, then the power is unusuable. The Guardians vanish when Maha becomes Mia, but they return after Macha is defeated by Kite and goes back to the Sea of Data.
They arn't linked to Macha.
Or else the ones chasing the SIGN group would have vanished once Macha was destroyed in the cathedral.
And if Macha controlled them,then Macha is one messed up cat,because that would mean it commited suicide,with some help.

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:04 am
by juunishi master
The jelly barbel monster?

I heard that it's name is The Twilight Guardian.

And, as you can see, they hold something that looks like a Twilight Bracelet in their core.

In SIGN, Bear, Mimiru, B.T. and Ginkan destroyed it after attacking the bracelet several times.

But then, 3 others came...

Hehe.

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:58 pm
by Azure crow
juunishi master wrote:The jelly barbel monster?

I heard that it's name is The Twilight Guardian.

And, as you can see, they hold something that looks like a Twilight Bracelet in their core.

In SIGN, Bear, Mimiru, B.T. and Ginkan destroyed it after attacking the bracelet several times.

But then, 3 others came...

Hehe.
The plavment of the hit had no meaning,that was just for show.
Guardian's just have a set amount of hit points(during SIGN anyway) and it's just hidden by fragmented hit point data on the screen.
They just hit it,alot,and stayed alive.
It everntually dies,like an uber boss monster.

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:51 pm
by Demon_Skeith
Azure crow wrote:
AuraTwilight wrote:Well, Morganna controls Macha, so she can control the Guardians, but the power is primarily Macha's. If Macha is put out of commission, then the power is unusuable. The Guardians vanish when Maha becomes Mia, but they return after Macha is defeated by Kite and goes back to the Sea of Data.
They arn't linked to Macha.
Or else the ones chasing the SIGN group would have vanished once Macha was destroyed in the cathedral.
And if Macha controlled them,then Macha is one messed up cat,because that would mean it commited suicide,with some help.
Then why did macha trun into one of them?

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:57 pm
by Azure crow
Demon_Skeith wrote:
Azure crow wrote:
AuraTwilight wrote:Well, Morganna controls Macha, so she can control the Guardians, but the power is primarily Macha's. If Macha is put out of commission, then the power is unusuable. The Guardians vanish when Maha becomes Mia, but they return after Macha is defeated by Kite and goes back to the Sea of Data.
They arn't linked to Macha.
Or else the ones chasing the SIGN group would have vanished once Macha was destroyed in the cathedral.
And if Macha controlled them,then Macha is one messed up cat,because that would mean it commited suicide,with some help.
Then why did macha trun into one of them?
Data amplification.
Like the bond between Skeith and Sora,and Epitpah user and Epitpah,or the link between Azure Kite and Azure Flame God.
That is like asking how Kite gains levels.
A being that can freely manipulate data can fuse itself with creatures like that easily.

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:11 pm
by AuraTwilight
Well, Morganna actually trapped Maha in it to prevent Mia's rebirth.

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 5:50 am
by Azure crow
Alright,that makes more sense.
I guess Morganna had a bone to pick with Mia in the saem way as Sora.....poor mia...wait..POOR MACHA!!!!!!!!!

Anyway,I think we've established everything we can here.

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:46 pm
by AuraTwilight
Well, it wasn't so much a bone to pick, but Morganna was all "If I'm going down, I'm taking you with me!"

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:49 pm
by Azure crow
You know,Mia never did anything to her,apart from wander around with the phase in her and thus make her left hand phase unusable(would have been anyway),so it seems unfair...but then again,where do I get off thinking anything about Morganna is "fair".

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:31 pm
by AuraTwilight
Well, Mia did teach Kite how to use the Bracelet, gave Blackrose moral support, and killed a few Data Bugs.

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:33 am
by Azure crow
good point.
But in all fairness,she didn't know what she was going against.
And Morganna was already responsible for killing her once....
Oh well,I guess that's the mind of a desprate program.

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:03 am
by SnowManZero
going on no knowledge from GU or anything like that(if it relate's to this at all)

As it was already said, morganna created the dumbell gaurdian(the brown one) but it somehow developed it's own thought pattern or rather was going along iwth it's original order to protect tsukassa from anything, including as it turn's out another gaurdian.

It was directly under command, however, of macha, who showed it's command over it when tsukassa first showed the gaurdian to mimiru and bear by stopping the intended 'data drain' attack which was going straight for bear. It only used and asserted that power in extreme situation's.

But macha was under morganna's control, so at anytime she could overule macha.

Then there's the green one's which have absolutly nothing to do with macha or tsukassa, except that they tried to kill them. Morganna gave them the specific instruction to kill subaru in order to create dispair for tsukassa. The first one got defeated by tsukassa's original gaurdian in a kamakaze attack.The second one got owned by everyone, and good time's were had by all... for about 3 second's until the other three showed up.

(This is pure speculation) When those 3 showed up, macha stopped them and 'took them down with himself' in a sense. It's my belief that macha must've probably contained the whole program of the gaurdian monster within himself, which was then destroyed but re-incarnated as mia.

Reborn as mia, everything went fine until that place where you fight mia. After that, mia/macha is defeated for good this time, rather than a self-inflicted re-incarnation. When that happened, the gaurdian program was back online, hence why they appear AFTER macha was beaten.

Also keep in mind that it's been atleast close to 6 month's since I beat that place and at least 4 month's since I've seen sign. Damn am I good or what?

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:48 pm
by AuraTwilight
As it was already said, morganna created the dumbell gaurdian(the brown one) but it somehow developed it's own thought pattern or rather was going along iwth it's original order to protect tsukassa from anything, including as it turn's out another gaurdian.
No, that was Macha. None of the Guardians possess any AI of their own.
Then there's the green one's which have absolutly nothing to do with macha or tsukassa, except that they tried to kill them. Morganna gave them the specific instruction to kill subaru in order to create dispair for tsukassa. The first one got defeated by tsukassa's original gaurdian in a kamakaze attack.The second one got owned by everyone, and good time's were had by all... for about 3 second's until the other three showed up.
Macha controlled the green ones (Dawn Wanderers) as well. They just weren't assigned as Tsukasa's Guardian, so Macha couldn't be sneaky enough to justify using them to her own ends.

Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 3:03 pm
by Haseo-Skaith
Do you guys think the guardians were a prototype of the phases? I mean I doute Morganna got them right the first time. So could to guardians be a product of Morganna's experimentation with creating the phases?