There are many things that need to be replied here and discussed about before they explode...even though maybe i'll be the one to trigger the explosion for i'll raise the debate even more and there isn't currently a real debate now, but oh well, i don't feel like staying quiet, and not after i've already been part of this o3o
... i hate you're logic...
I love you too. Call me tonight, k? ;3
grave robbing adept rogue wrote:Mirus wrote:In-topic: speaking of paying, he must pay :3 always why ? I have many reasons why
Ugh girls and there expensive requirements, I'll be back my wallet hurts
See? There's no escape of paying for a girl unless she's a millionarie, and even so, chances are she'll be the kind of girl who's very famous and wants to have an equally-famous-and-wealthy guy, and will still demand that guy to pay for things even if she could afford them XD
Not like there's actually anything bad with paying for your girlfriend/partner/etc though. Not only it's very common that girls like their partners to buy things for her, like as a gift or simply because she saw something cute and she'd love if the guy would buy it for her, it's normal and even cute, and i personally would pay things for her and buy her things she wanted (under a range, of course....i'm not freaking buying a new car just like that, and not gifts every 3 days either, that begins to fall into the "loving because of money" thing, and that's seriously something i hate far more than sexuality dilemmas, so much that it's a minimum requirement and i'll seriously drop any girl if she starts viewing me as an "object" that buys her things and gives her money when asked). Sure, some girls ask for "expensive requirements", and it's a common and usual talking about men and how much money they spend when they have a girlfriend, and i can agree that sometimes it's ridiculous...but it's not that bad when you actually think how much you'll "spend" with her, and if you manage your money correctly and aren't a lazy bastard expecting money to come down during a rain, you'll still have enough for your videogames, car tunings, and even a drink or two with your friends.
Ratsu wrote:Mirus wrote:Pay: Of course i'll get you your PS3 for your birthday! But guys are supposed to pay for things like dinner and such, i'll tell you why it's fair, girls suffer alot more physically and emotionally not to mention we STILL get payed less than a male, doing the same exact job.
Physically because of child birth, yes, but men suffer emotionally just as much as girl. You have a strange and almost feminist view of men if you think we have no emotions or don't feel emotional pain.
Yes, and no, both to Mirus and Ratsu.
First, yes, guys usually "have" to pay for dinner and some other things, and on a longer relationship (aka husband/wife), i think it's actually a legal obligation to give money to your wife. But no, it's NOT FAIR because women suffer more than men, or because they get paid less than a girl; mere examples, men are often forced to do tough works that can be very dangerous for their health simply because they're "men" (and women get it all easy)...and you know, my dad had to finish an engineer career in university to get his spot (Mechanical Engineer), while my mom didn't even finish High School, and she's somehow some sort of Lawyer-Assistant Chief who earns almost twice than my dad (...well, 20,000 vs 35,000 or something like that).
Then why it would be "fair" for guys to pay for girls? Well, it's not fair, because this isn't something that has anything to do with being fair or not. It's simply a nice gesture, a little but important sign of generousity and confidence, and you could say, chivarly. There's nothing really bad with the girl having to pay, and except for the legal part (which exists because guys usually dedicate themselves more for getting a job and girls end up supporting the family from inside...and some guys are just bastards who think all their money is for them only even when married), it shouldn't be a problem if the girl is the one to manage all the finances. But personally, i'd be happy and glad if i were the one to deal with all the money, and pay for when i take my girlfriend to places, so she doesn't have to worry about money and only to enjoy the day, and i don't have to worry either since i have a nice income of money and have already planned the money usage for the day beforehand...plus, she'll definetly feel happy and confident to have me, as the guy, fulfill such task as her partner. And apparently, this is a view i share with many other people....and though it's true that morals and education have to deal with this, my family never really told me any of it. All that is simply something i'd like to do, and would feel happy to do so. Of course, it would be great if the girl would pay things for me every once (and understand when sometimes i can't pay for stuff), and buying some gifts for me would be greatly welcomed and make me happy as well....we have to support each other, after all :P
And yeah, Mirus is a feminist alright...you'll never hear her say about how the guy suffers or has to deal with alot of problems because of girls; for her, the girl will always be the victim, the guy will always be the devil, and every problem a female has is because of a male's doing. And when talking about sex, you've already seen how negative i can get towards her and she towards me....our opinions definetly don't match and all we'll agree with is that we disagree so much with the other. So, yes, men can suffer as much as females, and obviously men have feelings too and deal with **** that girls never have to worry about. But let's be honest....none of us guys would endure the life a female has to live (physically and mentally), and almost every girl would live as a guy far better than us; life definetly teaches more to them and usually in worst ways...and guys even have the commodity to pee while standing up XD But as i mentioned before...regardless of how much a girl or guy has to do with, it's still more welcomed and a great thing to do if the guy manages the financial deals instead of the girl.
Oh, and i don't want a PS3 for my birthday...because i have one D: I want a PSP though!!!
I'm done now, even though i think it's kinda late already, but oh well XD