Transforming

Thrym · Post by **Thrym** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:09 pm

hhhhhhmmmmmm....If the Phases would appear i wonder what their new looks would be like.hhhhhhmmmm....

Surge · Post by **Surge** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:54 pm

well if thats the case or not I should be pretty sweet. If they do transfrom that should also give them the power to data drain I would think. I wounder though what kind of enimies Tri-edge if any he would sent to try and stop you, maybe corupted versions of the other .hackers. Sorry for going off topic.

nekoryuuha · Post by **nekoryuuha** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:35 pm

Thrym wrote:hhhhhhmmmmmm....If the Phases would appear i wonder what their new looks would be like.hhhhhhmmmm....

An interesting though. Also I think that if they did transform then it would probably be for one massive hit with that phases specialty like Skeith's Judgement attack or Tarvos' Cursed Death-Play attack.

zeroxvero · Post by **zeroxvero** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:59 am

Could it be at certain time and places that they can transform. i mean looking at Pai. She transfromed at the Cave when Haoso is in danger. Maybe when one phase is in trouble the other will transfrom.

I know it sound werid but dot.hack is werid.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:48 pm

What evidence do you have to suggest that Pai transformed in the cave when she rescued Haseo?

We have already seen that something out of the ordinary happens to Pai, but I don't think it would be safe to assume that she is transforming into anything.

Chapter two of GU+ doesn't point anywhere near the direction of transforming at will. If anything, it appears as if the Phases are attempting to take over them.

Haseo appears to suffer memory loss when he is being questioned by Yata and Pai, at one point he seems to forget his own name. When he is leaving, Yata points out that "his 'Epitaph' has begun to awaken".

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:15 pm

A very possible result is that Tri-Edge is extracting the data inside of them that has the remnants of the Phases, which would be why he's attacking-- running on an old process - 'must kill phases'.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:23 pm

If Tri-Edge is extracting data, then how did the Infinity Eight get that data in the first place? Why would this connection have an effect after they have been data-drained?

I would ask you why Shino was data-drained if this is the case, but I feel that she may have a close connection with Atoli. She can't be called the Mirage of Deceit simply because she looks like Shino, as Sakaki said, it is not unusual to meet characters with a similar design.

There is something particular about Atoli that Haseo associates with Shino aside from character design, he seems incapable of explaining this connection at the very least.

Tsugasa-kun · Post by **Tsugasa-kun** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:59 pm

yes, These people have their titles from something, it can't just be that they have the data in them, cus first, how would it get there, second if you could turn into the phases that would be lame as hell. also i have proof that they aren't transforming, in one of the GU scans on dothackers, there is one with Tri edge on it, its a blue one, and in the bottom right corner, if you look closely there is this giant monument thing behind that floating being. That giant thing behind it, is Skeith, so Haseo can't be transforming, he is being used to revive the phases.

Nexus · Post by **Nexus** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:00 pm

Umbra wrote:I would ask you why Shino was data-drained if this is the case, but I feel that she may have a close connection with Atoli. She can't be called the Mirage of Deceit simply because she looks like Shino, as Sakaki said, it is not unusual to meet characters with a similar design.

There is something particular about Atoli that Haseo associates with Shino aside from character design, he seems incapable of explaining this connection at the very least.

I was wondering about that as well. Now that I think about it what if Atoli is Shino because of her being data drained by Tri-edge? It would be one interesting turn of events if she were Shino.

As for the transforming we really do not know if they transform into the Phases since the trailer only Haseo calls out Skeith's name. We really do not seem him becoming Skeith. So that is pretty much up for debate till we get some more solid facts.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:10 pm

There is something particular about Atoli that Haseo associates with Shino aside from character design, he seems incapable of explaining this connection at the very least.

I always figured Atoli had a similar personality to Shino. Another theory is that Shino was Atoli, with Tsukasa-style memory loss and a Kite-style color change.

Nexus · Post by **Nexus** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:31 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:
There is something particular about Atoli that Haseo associates with Shino aside from character design, he seems incapable of explaining this connection at the very least.
I always figured Atoli had a similar personality to Shino. Another theory is that Shino was Atoli, with Tsukasa-style memory loss and a Kite-style color change.

I was thinking about some similar along those lines. This is one of the nice things about .hack//G.U. so far it gets you thinking beyond the obvious and it makes you speculate about what might be.

sirk · Post by **sirk** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:41 pm

IMO, the scene with Pai in the air then shining makes me think of her being DD'D. But that's just me.

Nexus · Post by **Nexus** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:29 pm

sirk wrote:IMO, the scene with Pai in the air then shining makes me think of her being DD'D. But that's just me.

Well that is always a possibility though we do not have much to go by without making one to many assumptions.

SnowManZero · Post by **SnowManZero** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:48 am

2nd sign of the apocalypse-people agreeing with ny idea that shino could be atoli.

on this, it was my theory which i had posted in the theorie's thread, which some people agreed.

and as for transforming, i would think that they don't transform willingly (if at all). even if they were to transform willingly(cough BS cough) it would be lame like Tsugassa-kun said because(and i've stated this as well) it would be the new form of data drain.

your in trouble, you use transform and you defeat the enemy as a phase.

in the short term, or as a easter egg prize for finishing the game, then it might be alright, but not for the whole game.

Nexus · Post by **Nexus** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:38 am

SnowManZero wrote:2nd sign of the apocalypse-people agreeing with ny idea that shino could be atoli.

on this, it was my theory which i had posted in the theorie's thread, which some people agreed.

Well now it seems some of us are reiterating each other’s ideas without realizing it. It is a pretty good theory so far as too why they are so similar to each other that it causes Haseo to pause when he remembers his time with Shino.

SnowManZero wrote:and as for transforming, i would think that they don't transform willingly (if at all). even if they were to transform willingly(cough BS cough) it would be lame like Tsugassa-kun said because(and i've stated this as well) it would be the new form of data drain.

your in trouble, you use transform and you defeat the enemy as a phase.

in the short term, or as a easter egg prize for finishing the game, then it might be alright, but not for the whole game.

That could be but that is still pretty much up for debate till we can actually get more information on the game and its storyline.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:39 am

AuraTwilight wrote:
There is something particular about Atoli that Haseo associates with Shino aside from character design, he seems incapable of explaining this connection at the very least.
I always figured Atoli had a similar personality to Shino. Another theory is that Shino was Atoli, with Tsukasa-style memory loss and a Kite-style color change.

I wouldn't begin taking my thoughts and twisting them to agree with such a theory, if I thought Shino and Atoli were the same person, I would have said so.

Atoli's sense of self appears to be too strong for a person with amnesia. She also appears to have been a long-term member of The World R:2 and has quite a history within the Lunar Tree.

However, Shino was Data-Drained six months previous to the events of the game, so I won't discredit it, after all, there are certain hints in GU+ towards this theory. When Haseo leaves the Serpent of Knowledge in Chapter 2, Mac Anu is deserted, the only other person in Mac Anu other than Haseo is Atoli. I have also yet to hear of her logging out, though I may simply be seeing something that isn't meant to be there.

azure_flames · Post by **azure_flames** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:54 am

I'm sure some of you remember FFVII. In it, you had massive monsters like Ruby and Emerald weapon, not to mention two forms of Sephiroth that could take a ton of damage and still be standing. My favorite way of beating them: Knights of the Round. Because it did so much damage at once. IF there were enemies in G.U. that were extremely powerful like that, transforming wouldn't be all that bad. Yes, it would be sorta lame, but it could be useful. Sorta like you run into a data bug, you don't have a bracelet so you can't DD it, what do you do? Things got a infinite hit point. You just go all Skeith or whatever and tear it a new one.

On a side note though, I'd rather not be able to transform at all. It just ruins it. But I figured I'd give this little rant anyway.

Nexus · Post by **Nexus** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:40 pm

Umbra wrote: I wouldn't begin taking my thoughts and twisting them to agree with such a theory, if I thought Shino and Atoli were the same person, I would have said so.

Atoli's sense of self appears to be too strong for a person with amnesia. She also appears to have been a long-term member of The World R:2 and has quite a history within the Lunar Tree.

However, Shino was Data-Drained six months previous to the events of the game, so I won't discredit it, after all, there are certain hints in GU+ towards this theory. When Haseo leaves the Serpent of Knowledge in Chapter 2, Mac Anu is deserted, the only other person in Mac Anu other than Haseo is Atoli. I have also yet to hear of her logging out, though I may simply be seeing something that isn't meant to be there.

What is interesting about the second chapter is that you find out there are other victims of Tri-edge like Sakubo. So it is a possibility that Atoli is Shino since Tri-edge seems to be attacking the main characters and those two are very similar.

Red · Post by **Red** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:04 am

Sorry to blur off-topic, but I missed a download link for the second chapter, can anyone toss one my way?
Thanks,
~Red

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:15 am

You've obviously failed to notice the announcement that was made recently regarding GU+ Chapter 2.

Dothackers will not be translating GU+ or providing scans of any more of the manga series from The World magazine.