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maybe, but they way things asre always in this game, maybe it's better fer 'the world' to dissappear

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i dont think hes the anti existance of the avatars, killin them off woudl be stupid, maybe he isent even an anti existance or maybe this time killing him is diffrent.

The Avatars is the only thing he can be an Anti Existence too (Jun said they had one) and Cubia has to be an Anti-Existence. It's the whole point of his existence. Plus the Avatars are gonna have to taken out somehow, or the World is constantly in danger. They're not like the Bracelet, that can bring salvation or destruction at the whim of the user. The Avatars have their own will, and can risk breaking out at any moment.

Do you think this new Goddess (or Aura) will Make replicas of the 8 avatars (like Aura making kite another DD braclet)?

Hell no. The Bracelet was recreated so Kite could save Mia. If Mia didn't need rescuing and there wasn't still Data Bugs around, Aura would've never returned it to him. But take out the Avatars and pretty much all the problems are solved, any remaining the Azure Knights can probably take care of.

Is it a viable option to destroy the light this time? Eliminating the avatars eliminates the remains of the Morganna system, and if that programming is still required to keep The World functioning, then wouldn't the the game crash? The darkness would be neutralized, but along with all of the virtual existance as well.

Remember, this is the World R:2. Morganna's components aren't part of it's operating system, so it can exist without them.

For somereason I do see the last scene in the trailer as a final battle, so I think it might be Haseo's final attack to defeat Cubia or so, either that Or Cubia was already defeated. Notice for what seems to be such a dramatic scene, Haseo has no Avatar in that? You'd think it'd have a dramatic thing with the Avatar.

Meaning the final boss might not be Cubia, and also if you listen to the trailer when Haseo says his final line, you hear like this weird exhale sound that sounds like something the Azure Knight smake, but it might not be them.

But this might mean Cubia loses sometime before the end, but that's just a 20% speculation.

I think Cubia will be the final boss.

Remember his last lines about destroying the desires he carved into The World. This could refer to whatever Cubia was an anti-existence of.

However, I'll have to check the end of the trailer again to see if I can catch that exhale noise.

This Cubia seems different though. It has a red coloration as opposed to the blue colors back in IMOQ. Is this the same Cubia we knew back then?

Makes me wonder if this is THE Cubia or A Cubia. Does Cubia refer to a specific Anti-existence or is it actauly the form of the Ultimate Anti-existence?

Fragments.beta wrote:This Cubia seems different though. It has a red coloration as opposed to the blue colors back in IMOQ. Is this the same Cubia we knew back then?

Makes me wonder if this is THE Cubia or A Cubia. Does Cubia refer to a specific Anti-existence or is it actauly the form of the Ultimate Anti-existence?

the cubia we knew was the anti-existence for kite's bracelet. this new one seems to be the anti existence for the avatar users. however, Azure flame kite data drains haseo (and possibly other things as well) so will his bracelet be part of what reforms cubia?

Tri-Edge999 wrote:

Fragments.beta wrote:This Cubia seems different though. It has a red coloration as opposed to the blue colors back in IMOQ. Is this the same Cubia we knew back then?

Makes me wonder if this is THE Cubia or A Cubia. Does Cubia refer to a specific Anti-existence or is it actauly the form of the Ultimate Anti-existence?

the cubia we knew was the anti-existence for kite's bracelet. this new one seems to be the anti existence for the avatar users. however, Azure flame kite data drains haseo (and possibly other things as well) so will his bracelet be part of what reforms cubia?

I alredy know that, what I'm trying to say is if this Cubia the same one in IMOQ or a different Cubia.

The one from IMOQ DIED, so I'd assume not.

Also, I'm adamantly positive that Azure Flame Kite's Bracelet won't produce an Anti-Existence since he's part of the system.

AuraTwilight wrote:The one from IMOQ DIED, so I'd assume not.

Also, I'm adamantly positive that Azure Flame Kite's Bracelet won't produce an Anti-Existence since he's part of the system.

not to mention he's hardly the most powerful being on the system.

the largest light casts the largest shadow. and I doubt Kite would be  joining your party if he was causing Cubia. then you'd be destroying him.

AuraTwilight wrote:The one from IMOQ DIED, so I'd assume not.

Also, I'm adamantly positive that Azure Flame Kite's Bracelet won't produce an Anti-Existence since he's part of the system.

I'd also add that you need a large amount of data to DD in order to make Cubia. Azure Kite hasn't actualy DD anything significant to produce an Anti-existence like Cubia.

Hmm, maybe Cubia and the Avatars will fuse somehow. Light and Darkness fusing together forming Twilight. Thus no shadow would form and the Morganna system would be up again as the 8 Phases fuse together.

You know, just saying, Ovan used his data drain on his right arm.
but also he knows much about Epitaph of Twilight and the scenery that happened during R:1 and the crisis.

Also it seems like he knew Cubia's existance because I think AIDA's mommy is Cubia.

So wouldnt that make Ovan to be exactly the real Kite?

because Kite back in R:1 was when he was at the age of 14. And he has turned 21 probably after 7 years. Which Ovan is at 20s.

but also too much virus in the body can break down the body.

You guys played as Kite and everytime he used bracelet, his infection level grew up for data bugs whether the infection level was going down... but was it REALLY going down?

Virus can escape and act as a catalyst. So eventually, even though Kite defeated Cubia by breaking the bracelet, and retrieved the bracelet again, I am sure Cubia was slowly regenerating at that time.

In R:2, Cubia is close to regeneration, because of the influence of Ovan as well. More Ovan stays in the game, more Cubia grows to get stronger.

Also I think back in Part 1 when the game made us think Azure Kite was Tri-Edge, I think the sign of Tri Edge existed even before The World R:2 , which probably was Kite's special move sign. And Ovan probably uses the same sign as he used to use, but instead, the sign stains into the game environment.

Eina, as the 2nd counteract of Aura, I think Ovan is protecting her because he believes that she's like Aura and think he'll be always a loyal knight like that.

But I think Ovan was Kite back in old series, but Kite probably realized in real life, that his consciousness is acting weird, but also he probably learned that he couldnt control the power of the bracelet enough long time ago. So in order to keep himself controlled, he would play The World R:2, and keep the beast in cage on his left arm. (Virus absorbed from right arm , transferred to left arm). In so, Eina probably knew Cubia was growing because of Ovan, but she probably realized Ovan can't fight Cubia because he's alraedy became one with it. So she probably told Phyllo and Ovan that "he's coming" as in Haseo. So Ovan probably told Shino and told her to watch over him as he would watch over him as well.

... well my huge theory is this. I REALLY think Ovan is Kite, broken by his past.

Fragments.beta wrote:

AuraTwilight wrote:The one from IMOQ DIED, so I'd assume not.

Also, I'm adamantly positive that Azure Flame Kite's Bracelet won't produce an Anti-Existence since he's part of the system.

I'd also add that you need a large amount of data to DD in order to make Cubia. Azure Kite hasn't actualy DD anything significant to produce an Anti-existence like Cubia.

Not true. Cubia existed since the bracelet was created. But the data absorbed from Skeith gave it enough to give itself a form.

Rykar wrote:You know, just saying, Ovan used his data drain on his right arm.
but also he knows much about Epitaph of Twilight and the scenery that happened during R:1 and the crisis.

Also it seems like he knew Cubia's existance because I think AIDA's mommy is Cubia.

So wouldnt that make Ovan to be exactly the real Kite?

because Kite back in R:1 was when he was at the age of 14. And he has turned 21 probably after 7 years. Which Ovan is at 20s.

Ovan is in his 30's I believe. The ages don't match.

Rykar wrote:but also too much virus in the body can break down the body.

You guys played as Kite and everytime he used bracelet, his infection level grew up for data bugs whether the infection level was going down... but was it REALLY going down?.

You seem to imply that an infecion carries over. Except Kite and Ovan are two ENTIRELY different PC.

Rykar wrote:Virus can escape and act as a catalyst. So eventually, even though Kite defeated Cubia by breaking the bracelet, and retrieved the bracelet again, I am sure Cubia was slowly regenerating at that time.

In R:2, Cubia is close to regeneration, because of the influence of Ovan as well. More Ovan stays in the game, more Cubia grows to get stronger..

Kite didn't "defeat" Cubia, he KILLED him. Cubia is a goner, his existence is tied to the bracelet. Kite's new breacelet is an entirely new one, essentialy "clean" from any anti-existance. Not to mention there isn't any significant amount of Data that Kite DD's that could recreate Cubia.

Rykar wrote:Also I think back in Part 1 when the game made us think Azure Kite was Tri-Edge, I think the sign of Tri Edge existed even before The World R:2 , which probably was Kite's special move sign. And Ovan probably uses the same sign as he used to use, but instead, the sign stains into the game environment.

Ovan makes his Tri-edge sign with his blades and AIDA arm. Kite cant make that unless he has 3rd arm. Furthermore the Tri-edge sign only appeared recently, and there certainly werent any signs back in R:1.

Rykar wrote:Eina, as the 2nd counteract of Aura, I think Ovan is protecting her because he believes that she's like Aura and think he'll be always a loyal knight like that.

Kite hasn't displayed any "knight loyalty" to Aura. He only sought her for the sake of saving Orca.

Rykar wrote:But I think Ovan was Kite back in old series, but Kite probably realized in real life, that his consciousness is acting weird, but also he probably learned that he couldnt control the power of the bracelet enough long time ago. So in order to keep himself controlled, he would play The World R:2, and keep the beast in cage on his left arm. (Virus absorbed from right arm , transferred to left arm). In so, Eina probably knew Cubia was growing because of Ovan, but she probably realized Ovan can't fight Cubia because he's alraedy became one with it. So she probably told Phyllo and Ovan that "he's coming" as in Haseo. So Ovan probably told Shino and told her to watch over him as he would watch over him as well

Except the Twilight isn't an unstable sytem that you can "lose control". Its a tool, with only side-effects is an infection to the PC and one HUUUGE Anti-existence.

Rykar wrote:... well my huge theory is this. I REALLY think Ovan is Kite, broken by his past.

Broken past? This isn't FF7 and Kite isn't Cloud. He was a simple boy who suddenly gets thown into this whole Morganna Incident. At the aftermath of IMOQ, Kite is already living a life that of any normal teenager. He could be banging Akira(Blackrose) for all I care.

Seriusly no, the whole Ovan=Kite doesn't work. Ovan does not know enough to be Kite. There isn't even any indication that Kite was a candidate of an Epitaph Wielder.

Bulletcatcher wrote: Not true. Cubia existed since the bracelet was created. But the data absorbed from Skeith gave it enough to give itself a form.

The point I was trying to make is that Azure Kite didn't DD any large amount of data that could create or manifest Cubia. Azure Kite cannot be the cause of Cubia <Alpha>.

As far as I know, the closest person causing Cubia's apperance would be Haseo, I mean he's datadrained alot of Data. He's taken data of various AIDA, he datadrained Magus, Gorre, Corbenik, Macha, Azure Flame God, Tarovs, and Inis/Innis. Which means with all the data taken in, it seems like enough data to create it's own Cubia, which I think the data might have been finally released from Skeith when Haseo got infected by AIDA. Which possibly released all that data at once, although it was not noted till later the data either A. Created Cubia, or B. Went straight to Ovan's AIDA before creating it.

Cause Ovan's AIDA data seems to have grown to quick over such a short time to be considered as a normal evolution as far as I'm concerned.

Fragments.beta wrote:

Rykar wrote:You know, just saying, Ovan used his data drain on his right arm.
but also he knows much about Epitaph of Twilight and the scenery that happened during R:1 and the crisis.

Also it seems like he knew Cubia's existance because I think AIDA's mommy is Cubia.

So wouldnt that make Ovan to be exactly the real Kite?

because Kite back in R:1 was when he was at the age of 14. And he has turned 21 probably after 7 years. Which Ovan is at 20s.

Ovan is in his 30's I believe. The ages don't match.

er I am sure he's in 20s.

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Aside from that, my other theory is , what if Eina is the bad girl? i mean her eyes and her face is a bit scary for a girl. (who has that kind of wide eyes as a character?)

Hmm, maybe Cubia and the Avatars will fuse somehow. Light and Darkness fusing together forming Twilight. Thus no shadow would form and the Morganna system would be up again as the 8 Phases fuse together.

That would only destroy them. Think of the Avatars as 1 and Cubia as -1. Adding them together would give you 0.

You know, just saying, Ovan used his data drain on his right arm.
but also he knows much about Epitaph of Twilight and the scenery that happened during R:1 and the crisis.

So? Lots of people do, there were witnesses.

Also it seems like he knew Cubia's existance because I think AIDA's mommy is Cubia.

Cubia being the AIDA in his arm might have something to do with it.

So wouldnt that make Ovan to be exactly the real Kite?

because Kite back in R:1 was when he was at the age of 14. And he has turned 21 probably after 7 years. Which Ovan is at 20s.

Ovan is like 30.

but also too much virus in the body can break down the body.

You guys played as Kite and everytime he used bracelet, his infection level grew up for data bugs whether the infection level was going down... but was it REALLY going down?

Yea, it was. When it was going down, it was being deleted. Even still, any remaining virus data would've been destroyed with R:1.

Virus can escape and act as a catalyst. So eventually, even though Kite defeated Cubia by breaking the bracelet, and retrieved the bracelet again, I am sure Cubia was slowly regenerating at that time.

In R:2, Cubia is close to regeneration, because of the influence of Ovan as well. More Ovan stays in the game, more Cubia grows to get stronger.

It's a different Cubia by virtue that we SAW the first one die.

Also I think back in Part 1 when the game made us think Azure Kite was Tri-Edge, I think the sign of Tri Edge existed even before The World R:2 , which probably was Kite's special move sign. And Ovan probably uses the same sign as he used to use, but instead, the sign stains into the game environment.

No.

Eina, as the 2nd counteract of Aura, I think Ovan is protecting her because he believes that she's like Aura and think he'll be always a loyal knight like that.

Ovan is probably Eina's father figure or knight or something like that.

But I think Ovan was Kite back in old series, but Kite probably realized in real life, that his consciousness is acting weird, but also he probably learned that he couldnt control the power of the bracelet enough long time ago. So in order to keep himself controlled, he would play The World R:2, and keep the beast in cage on his left arm. (Virus absorbed from right arm , transferred to left arm). In so, Eina probably knew Cubia was growing because of Ovan, but she probably realized Ovan can't fight Cubia because he's alraedy became one with it. So she probably told Phyllo and Ovan that "he's coming" as in Haseo. So Ovan probably told Shino and told her to watch over him as he would watch over him as well.

Ovan is not Kite. It's impossible. And why would a virus transfer from Kite's character to Ovan's, even if they are the same person?

... well my huge theory is this. I REALLY think Ovan is Kite, broken by his past.

Well, your theory sucks, since one fact destroys it.

Not true. Cubia existed since the bracelet was created. But the data absorbed from Skeith gave it enough to give itself a form.

Correct.

There isn't even any indication that Kite was a candidate of an Epitaph Wielder.

Though he'd probably make a perfect Chosen One for Tarvos or Corbenic. One of those two would fit him well.

As far as I know, the closest person causing Cubia's apperance would be Haseo, I mean he's datadrained alot of Data. He's taken data of various AIDA, he datadrained Magus, Gorre, Corbenik, Macha, Azure Flame God, Tarovs, and Inis/Innis. Which means with all the data taken in, it seems like enough data to create it's own Cubia, which I think the data might have been finally released from Skeith when Haseo got infected by AIDA. Which possibly released all that data at once, although it was not noted till later the data either A. Created Cubia, or B. Went straight to Ovan's AIDA before creating it.

The Anti-Existence is caused by all eight Epitaphs, though Haseo and/or Ovan are probably responsible for it gaining a physical body.

Aside from that, my other theory is , what if Eina is the bad girl? i mean her eyes and her face is a bit scary for a girl. (who has that kind of wide eyes as a character?)

She has wide eyes because something's scaring the bajeezus out of her. Anyway, you can not tell me Eina is a bad girl. From looks alone, she's probably some sort of angel.

er I am sure he's in 20s.

You're wrong. He's well into adulthood.

man, people take Cubia's ties to the bracelet way too seriously.

Cubia activates whenever something hurts the core of the system ITSELF. As we know, Morganna was the phases and she also was the "The World." When Kite DD Skieth, Morganna was hurt, therefore, the world was hurt. The World then activated Cubia to get rid of whatever hurt it, in this case, Kite's bracelet. When the bracelet was destroyed, Cubia had no purpose, so he disappeared.

You see, Cubia doesn't need the bracelet to exist. As long as his program is intact, all he needs is an entity that possesses the ability to harm the system itself, and uses that ability on the system. Cubia is the Anti-existence of whatever he is hunting. When that anomaly is gone, Cubia disappears.

Now, I'm interested to see who exactly Cubia is after this time around... Ovan or Haseo?

Cubia isn't a program, its just an antithesis created as a means of The World balancing itself. When the Bracelet was created for Kite, it went against The World's balance and, as a result, Cubia was spontaneously generated as its antithesis.

In this case, it seems pretty obvious exactly what Cubia is; an antithesis to the Avatars. Jun Bansyoya feared the creation of an antithesis much more destructive than the original Cubia if the Avatars were introduced into The World. It seems that Cubia is the creator of the AIDA and direct opposition to the Avatars.

So, in that sense, Cubia is the antithesis to Haseo, Atoli, Kuhn, Yata, Sakubo, Endrance, Pi, and Ovan. Or, to be more precise, their Avatars.

AuraTwilight wrote:

Hmm, maybe Cubia and the Avatars will fuse somehow. Light and Darkness fusing together forming Twilight. Thus no shadow would form and the Morganna system would be up again as the 8 Phases fuse together.

That would only destroy them. Think of the Avatars as 1 and Cubia as -1. Adding them together would give you 0.

Well, if AIDAs and Cubia are the Anti Existence then how could they take over an Epitaph PC? Wouldn't an AIDA PC be basically the same? I mean Ovan is super AIDA'd to the point his Avatar seems AIDAfied. So what would stop them from combining?