W.B. Yeats Poem, The Second Coming

Cless · Post by **Cless** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 11:35 am

They do base a lot of their concepts off of things old and new. I like how research is useful to findout out background of .Hack// series.

Talvos · Post by **Talvos** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:50 pm

Remember in the Epitaph of Twilight :

"When you think you have escaped, Talvos exists
To destroy those with his exceeding cruelty
Upon violent requital, only to remain is the void, the vacant darkness
is the harbringer that Copernic is to appear."

So the second coming thing could be true and its talking about Talvos and Copernic appering out of the void and destroying 'The World'. So mabey the void is not gone for ever and even after the system reboot it still exists. Hint the title Ressurection.

Sry bout spelling

Dragoon2044 · Post by **Dragoon2044** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:23 pm

Rei_654 wrote:I am very sorry if someone has said this before....but 'The World', at least in my interpretation; is unable to function unless all of the original data in the 'Blackbox' folder remain intact. I am so sorry if this is obvious....but if this is true; then no matter how much of the add-on data(characters, upgrades, etc.) that is lost; if 'The World' still functions, then all of that original data remains. I am so very sorry....but that is what I believe.

Thats exactly right. Programming engineers found mysterious files and a folder that was unaccessable. When they attempted to delete the files, certain variables ceased to function so they were forced to restore the black box.

Talvos · Post by **Talvos** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:28 pm

That is possibly why the wave/void exists still.

FromFirstToLastChick · Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:51 pm

isn't W.B. Yates Haruto from AI Buster?

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:05 pm

isn't W.B. Yates Haruto from AI Buster?

Yup.

"When you think you have escaped, Talvos exists
To destroy those with his exceeding cruelty
Upon violent requital, only to remain is the void, the vacant darkness
is the harbringer that Copernic is to appear."

So the second coming thing could be true and its talking about Talvos and Copernic appering out of the void and destroying 'The World'. So mabey the void is not gone for ever and even after the system reboot it still exists. Hint the title Ressurection.

No. That part just refers to when Kite fought Tarvos and Corbenic back in the Quarantine days. The Second Coming refers to ALL the Phases. The Destruction of the World it refers too is the corruption of the game that Kite originally fought off, and gave the Epitaph a new ending. The "Void." Is simply the dark abyss graphics Corbenic's third form came out of.

The Epitaph isn't meant to be taken so literally. It's Esoteric.

Thats exactly right. Programming engineers found mysterious files and a folder that was unaccessable. When they attempted to delete the files, certain variables ceased to function so they were forced to restore the black box.

That is possibly why the wave/void exists still.

Well, after Quarantine was defeated, that data was altered so that Aura was completed. However, the reason the World exists as it does now is that supposedly a fire destroyed the old equipment, and CC Corp integrated backups of the old version of the World with a new game they were developing, causing the entire sequence to start all over.

KaenKasharion · Post by **KaenKasharion** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:04 pm

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Thats exactly right. Programming engineers found mysterious files and a folder that was unaccessable. When they attempted to delete the files, certain variables ceased to function so they were forced to restore the black box.

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Well, after Quarantine was defeated, that data was altered so that Aura was completed. However, the reason the World exists as it does now is that supposedly a fire destroyed the old equipment, and CC Corp integrated backups of the old version of the World with a new game they were developing, causing the entire sequence to start all over.

Evidence that CCcrop could have used the 'Black Box' again to get 'The World' up and running. It's either that, or they made such a completely new version of the world that nothing relates to the old game, Tri-Edge and the titles of the phases could be a coincidence.

I like to believe that CCcorp used the Black Box again, which would make sense for the second coming of the wave.

Dragoon2044 · Post by **Dragoon2044** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:32 am

Well, after Quarantine was defeated, that data was altered so that Aura was completed. However, the reason the World exists as it does now is that supposedly a fire destroyed the old equipment, and CC Corp integrated backups of the old version of the World with a new game they were developing, causing the entire sequence to start all over.

I will add to this saying that obviously some data has made it to this new version of the world. Tri-edge. The phases. (Look at Endrance's cat. The cat was only chosen to comfort Tsukasa because he had memories of nursing a cat). That seems to be also taken into the new version of the world as well.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:19 am

Well yes, of course. It's possible that CC Corp was forced to use a back up of the World they had (Because the current version was destroyed.) And from the looks of things, I'm thinking the back up is around the Infection era. Kite exists, but so does Skeith. So Tri-Edge is an AI created from Kite's Data spliced with the new game, given AI to fulfill his segment in the program. The Phases probably can't survive in their current forms, so they latch on to human hosts or something. A brand new Aura could be running around, and a new Morganna can be doing... evil-crazy-mom-impersionating-daughter-abusing-Artificial-Intelligence-y stuff.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:18 pm

It's possible, but it'd be kind've hard to only save selective data. And with Tri-Edge's appearance, it seems they had to have saved an actual version of the World. The blackbox folder, if anything, would be the last thing they save.

A.P.Z.A.E. · Post by **A.P.Z.A.E.** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:22 pm

Rei, there isn't really a need to apologize so darn much. It reminds me of Colette from Tales of Symphonia... x 10.

Rei_654 wrote:....there is something inside of me that is telling me that "Tri-Edge" is not completely evil and/or bad, and that something inside of him is that of a positive.

n______n Me too, me too! Although at this point he seems pretty evil...T.T

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:17 pm

God, that'd be awesome. Take Colette and Rei and shove them in a room together. Adorableness would ensue ^_________^

Without the 'Blackbox' folder, CC. Corp. would have been unable to rebuild 'The World.' They would need the core pieces of data. If any of that data is missing, then 'The World' would cease to function.

Good point, but there's no reason they can't just start from scratch. They're not so incompetent that they can't make a game.

Perhaps....the reason 'Tri-Edge' is the way he is, is because of a compatibility issue. Kite's data was undeletable; as was any data within the 'Blackbox' folder. I am so sorry, but there is always the possibility that Kite's character data was actually contained within the 'Blackbox' folder itself, or at least; some of it.

I completely agree.

Maybe the reason 'Tri-Edge' has the 'Franken-kite' look about him, is because the older 'Kite' data is not programmed in the same way that the new character data is programmed; making his older character data(or whatever left of it) speak a 'different language' than the new system speaks, so the new system does not know exactly how to use it.

The problem with this is, if a computer can't understand data, it won't run it, so Kite's data would just be sitting there as junk. It's possible that some malevolent AI (The new Morganna system, if you go by the theory that an older version of the World was spliced with the new game.) Could've ressurected Kite so the Epitaph Program can take place again, Tri-Edge, the new Kite, fulfilling the role of the Twilight Dragon once more.

Sarah · Post by **Sarah** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:29 pm

Don't Apologize to much but yeah nice info on the 'Blackbox' folder. but yes that good info but it kind of off the Topic hear seeing if Tri-Edge and Kite are the same person...but yeah it good people are coming up with new Theories to this Poem done by W. B. Yeats or at lest I hope so.

Lurel · Post by **Lurel** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:47 pm

Does anyone know what G.U. stands for??????? (-.-).....just wondering..........

~Lurel

Dragoon2044 · Post by **Dragoon2044** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:10 pm

http://www.dothackers.net/gu.php

Aedgoll · Post by **Aedgoll** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:33 pm

CCCorp restored The World using backups of the original, The Black Box folder, and data from a different game, correct? So, the phases could return depending on the time of which the backup was created. I would assume they would backup the data more then once during a 7 year time period. There are bound to be several thousand backup files during that time.

The Black Box folder, i would assume, after the defeat of Morganna and Auras birth, rewrote itself to account for all of that. So it too would be different in the backups, or depending on how much it was damaged, not changed at all. That would mean that the phases wouldnt come back as they were, if at all.

sirk · Post by **sirk** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:54 pm

I kinda skimmed the topic and stuff before posting but don't think it was mentioned, but today in my English class my teacher had mentioned that a novel Things Fall Apart was based on the poem "The Second Coming" by W.B. Yeats.

I don't know how relevant this is to .hack//, but thought it was kind of neat.. here are some links to references to both:

http://wsu.edu/~brians/anglophone/achebe.html

http://www.wmich.edu/dialogues/texts/th ... apart.html

Maybe how the book relates can kind of help us see what the poem means symbolically? Or something... just throwing out some information...

Lord Signis · Post by **Lord Signis** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:21 pm

I bet that "the second coming" refers to the wave (in the form of kite (or tri-edge)), aura and the braclet but this time Haseo gets the braclet when he is data drained and Ovan knows this and thats why he joins up with Haseo in the first place.

Dark Knight Sparda · Post by **Dark Knight Sparda** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:27 pm

i dont know if this been posted but here goes,
if you look at the epitaph pf twilight wiseman sends you in one of the 4 older games the phases are mentioned again so that is what im asuming is the second coming

KaenKasharion · Post by **KaenKasharion** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:05 am

Lord Signis wrote:I bet that "the second coming" refers to the wave (in the form of kite (or tri-edge)), aura and the braclet but this time Haseo gets the braclet when he is data drained and Ovan knows this and thats why he joins up with Haseo in the first place.

Ovan, Shino, and Haseo go waaay back (.hack//Roots). Ovan also had the locked arm in the Anime, so I'm guessing the arm is of no real significance, other than it can be a giant gun (hes a steam gunner.) Haseo DOES NOT get the bracelet. Please don't throw out dumb ideas like this without any basis.

The beast that slept for 2,000 years reminds me of Cubia, and brings the Cubia theory back to life, but we all know it cant (and shouldnt) exist. Maybe theres a COMPLETELY new evil, unexplained.

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