New Law in Arizona Regarding Illegal Immigrants

[Azure Knight]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 3018.story

I'm sure that almost everyone's heard something about this recently. This law states that if law enforcement officers see someone who they suspect may be an illegal immigrant, they must make the person prove whether or not they are in the US legally. And a passport doesn't cut it; meaning that everyone who might be "suspected" will have to carry around another way to prove their immigration status at all times just to keep from being thrown in jail. It also says that civilians are allowed to file a lawsuit against any law enforcement office which they don't believe is enforcing the law to the extent that they should.

In a nutshell, this is racial profiling to the extreme. And the second part about being able to sue the departments if they think this law isn't being enforced pretty much forces officers who don't want to play along in this to racially profile people. It's absolutely rediculous.

I just want to know, what do you all think about this?

[_Tri-edge_]

A woman who I view as my big sister, is Mexican, and in repsonse, she's extremely pissed about this. Slowly, the goverment is running out of reasonable options to solve this immigration problem, so they decide that "guess and check" seems to be the best method. Obviously, people who don't appear to be of caucasian decent, will most likely get targeted.

[Ranylyn]

Makes me glad I didn't move to Arizona with my ex. I mean, I'm caucasian, yeah, but I refuse to live somewhere that runs this way.

[Erranty]

I'm guessing white and black people will be fine. But anyone with a skin tone in between that who doesn't look blatantly Native American will be questioned.

And trust me, this isn't half as bad as what I would've done. Either:

Put sniper towers along the US-Mexico border, with "shoot to kill" authorization on everyone that didn't go through a checkpoint.

OR

Line up all out prisons along the border. This not only gives us sniper towers, but keeps people from wanting to cross AND makes the Mexican govt. put up more security along their border so OUR escaped criminals don't get over there!

OR

Dig a 2 mile wide, 300ft deep canal along our side of the border, from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean. This would not only stop illegal immigration from the south, but allow ships to pass through a place other than Panama for travel and transportation of cargo.

[TheSorrow]

...You all just want me to die, don't you? D; lol

[Tolby]

Well at least Muslims get a breather.

[Mirus]

Put sniper towers along the US-Mexico border, with "shoot to kill" authorization on everyone that didn't go through a checkpoint.

That is already being done -illegally they also kill animals yes, because SWINE FLU came from MEXICO not CALIFORNIA (Sarcasm btw, for those of you who havent researched swine flu)

OR

Line up all out prisons along the border. This not only gives us sniper towers, but keeps people from wanting to cross AND makes the Mexican govt. put up more security along their border so OUR escaped criminals don't get over there!

These people have a good reason to cross, staying in Mexico might kill them why not risk your life at a chance for a better one rather than stay and get killed anyway ?


So you're saying all illegal immigrants are criminals to begin with ?


Don't be ignorant

OR

Dig a 2 mile wide, 300ft deep canal along our side of the border, from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean. This would not only stop illegal immigration from the south, but allow ships to pass through a place other than Panama for travel and transportation of cargo.

... there's something called "Rio Bravo" already in exsistance and you think the immigrants who have crossed DESERTS wont mind swimming across some canal?


ALL your suggestions waste your tax money, and that is pretty much what americans dont want, I have a simple solution to everything!

[Erranty]

Put sniper towers along the US-Mexico border, with "shoot to kill" authorization on everyone that didn't go through a checkpoint.

That is already being done -illegally they also kill animals yes, because SWINE FLU came from MEXICO not CALIFORNIA (Sarcasm btw, for those of you who havent researched swine flu)

Not really interested in a swine flu argument. Already had it and got over it with no medication. My immune system is pretty strong.

OR

Line up all out prisons along the border. This not only gives us sniper towers, but keeps people from wanting to cross AND makes the Mexican govt. put up more security along their border so OUR escaped criminals don't get over there!

These people have a good reason to cross, staying in Mexico might kill them why not risk your life at a chance for a better one rather than stay and get killed anyway ?

So you're saying all illegal immigrants are criminals to begin with ?

Don't be ignorant

Other than the term "Illegal Immigrants" having the word ILLEGAL in there. Which means they kind had the intent to do it illegally, making them criminals. There are also a lot of drug runners crossing the border at all hours of the day. This would cut down on that, increase prison awareness, cut down on crime (through fear), and provide new, razor sharp fences along the border.

OR

Dig a 2 mile wide, 300ft deep canal along our side of the border, from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean. This would not only stop illegal immigration from the south, but allow ships to pass through a place other than Panama for travel and transportation of cargo.

... there's something called "Rio Bravo" already in exsistance and you think the immigrants who have crossed DESERTS wont mind swimming across some canal?

ALL your suggestions waste your tax money, and that is pretty much what americans dont want, I have a simple solution to everything!

The Rio Bravo/ Rio Grande is actually pretty shallow, and during certain season you can just flat out WALK across it.

The canal I'm talking about isn't exactly going to have scalable walls you know, so swimming across isn't really an option, especially with traffic from large ships going in an out.

And I'm sure the closer shortcut to the other side of the US would make enough money to cover the tax expenses, and since we'd be putting it through US land we could charge for passage through it! Makes it a better way to spend taxes than this damn war.

[Mirus]

Not really interested in a swine flu argument. Already had it and got over it with no medication. My immune system is pretty strong.

Mine is not, and I still did not get sick

Other than the term "Illegal Immigrants" having the word ILLEGAL in there. Which means they kind had the intent to do it illegally, making them criminals. There are also a lot of drug runners crossing the border at all hours of the day. This would cut down on that, increase prison awareness, cut down on crime (through fear), and provide new, razor sharp fences along the border.

What I meant to say was, do you insinuate that illegal immigrants were already immigrants

ex:
Someone commits a crime (In Mexico) and crosses the border (illegally) in order to avoid persecution

what's what I was asking if you meant by criminals.


Oh yeah, do you know how there "drug runners" (such a silly name, I call them drug dealers) got so much power?

American arms, yes 90 % of the guns used by drug dealers are AMERICAN (You know, Made in the USA and sold in the USA)

If the US government bothered to make the obtaining of arms just a little more difficult perhaps Mexico would not be such a dangerous place right now and Immigrants would not have to migrate...

The Rio Bravo/ Rio Grande is actually pretty shallow, and during certain season you can just flat out WALK across it.

The canal I'm talking about isn't exactly going to have scalable walls you know, so swimming across isn't really an option, especially with traffic from large ships going in an out.

Does it really matter if the pool is clean or not?

"If there is a will there is a way. Also, the ships would make it easier for immigrants to hide from the patrols perhaps even USE the ship as a method of transportation, shouldnt be too hard after crossing the desert

[zaseo]

This law is an epic failure. I don't think I ever need to explain anything. It must be a racist thing. The border is control in the south, but not the north. Now I know there is reasons to control it, but still. If the USA really wanted to control the border they could be it on lock down. The drug cartels couldn't do much to get though the USA. I live in Houston Texas so there are plenty of Hispanics around. There is not anything wrong with them.

Swine flu cases might rise, but vaccines aren't needed. Swine flu is a scam. It is another type of the flu, and not anything more.

[_Tri-edge_]

Not really interested in a swine flu argument. Already had it and got over it with no medication. My immune system is pretty strong.

Mine is not, and I still did not get sick

Other than the term "Illegal Immigrants" having the word ILLEGAL in there. Which means they kind had the intent to do it illegally, making them criminals. There are also a lot of drug runners crossing the border at all hours of the day. This would cut down on that, increase prison awareness, cut down on crime (through fear), and provide new, razor sharp fences along the border.

What I meant to say was, do you insinuate that illegal immigrants were already immigrants

ex:
Someone commits a crime (In Mexico) and crosses the border (illegally) in order to avoid persecution

what's what I was asking if you meant by criminals.


Oh yeah, do you know how there "drug runners" (such a silly name, I call them drug dealers) got so much power?

American arms, yes 90 % of the guns used by drug dealers are AMERICAN (You know, Made in the USA and sold in the USA)

If the US government bothered to make the obtaining of arms just a little more difficult perhaps Mexico would not be such a dangerous place right now and Immigrants would not have to migrate...

The Rio Bravo/ Rio Grande is actually pretty shallow, and during certain season you can just flat out WALK across it.

The canal I'm talking about isn't exactly going to have scalable walls you know, so swimming across isn't really an option, especially with traffic from large ships going in an out.

Does it really matter if the pool is clean or not?

"If there is a will there is a way. Also, the ships would make it easier for immigrants to hide from the patrols perhaps even USE the ship as a method of transportation, shouldnt be too hard after crossing the desert

I don't think he was talking about the water's status being clean or dirty. D: Not to mention, a new canal would be a good idea, since we will have to relinquish the Panama Canal within a few years anyway. As far as I'm concerned, I would prefer calling them "aliens" instead of "illegal immigrants". Just seems a bit derougatory if you ask me. Unless the United States COMPLETELY blocks the entire U.S./Mexico border, our friends down under will eventually find other ways to get here. They're humans, and you'd be amazed at how fast people can adapt to things when freedom and oppertunity await them across that border.

[Mirus]

I don't think he was talking about the water's status being clean or dirty.

It's a Metaphor

</3 no love to you !

[S1lentOp]

I'm still waiting to hear a explanation of what constitutes "reasonable suspicion" that doesn't include someone being brown or something as extreme as having 5 people in someone's trunk.

[Azure Knight]

Put sniper towers along the US-Mexico border, with "shoot to kill" authorization on everyone that didn't go through a checkpoint.

So if a man, his wife, and their 5 year old boy were crossing the border illegally, you think they should each be killed?

Dig a 2 mile wide, 300ft deep canal along our side of the border, from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean. This would not only stop illegal immigration from the south, but allow ships to pass through a place other than Panama for travel and transportation of cargo.

Where would we find the money? The workers?

Swine flu is a scam. It is another type of the flu, and not anything more.

Just don't... even start.

[Erranty]

I'm still waiting to hear a explanation of what constitutes "reasonable suspicion" that doesn't include someone being brown or something as extreme as having 5 people in someone's trunk.

I think its mainly going to be if an officer hears someone speaking something other than English. Which is a pretty good reason for them not to be in the US. They should at least learn our language and go through the proper channels if they wanna live here. Its not as hard as you think.

Put sniper towers along the US-Mexico border, with "shoot to kill" authorization on everyone that didn't go through a checkpoint.

So if a man, his wife, and their 5 year old boy were crossing the border illegally, you think they should each be killed?

Personally, I'd put motion sensitive gun emplacements along the border if it were technologically feasible! That man could've just as easily walked to a checkpoint and requested asylum for him and his family, then become a citizen legally.

Dig a 2 mile wide, 300ft deep canal along our side of the border, from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean. This would not only stop illegal immigration from the south, but allow ships to pass through a place other than Panama for travel and transportation of cargo.

Where would we find the money? The workers?

I'm sure the vast majority of unemployed citizens, most of whom probably blame illegal immigrants for themselves being out of work, would be more than happy to work on a multiple year project that would stop illegal immigrants from coming into the country, AND provide new jobs maintaining Levis to control water elevation so ships can cross.

Not to mention the work would take multiple years to complete, so it would be a longterm job! Money would be getting circulated, and the economy would stabilize a bit.

[_Tri-edge_]

I don't think he was talking about the water's status being clean or dirty.

It's a Metaphor

</3 no love to you !

If that's the case, then I'm afraid you used the wrong methaphor at the wrong time little one. So technically.....

</3 no love for YOU. :'(

Me thinks the government's running out of logical ideas to effectively solve the problem. As long as we're the country where promises of liberty, frreedom, and golden oppertunities prosper across the land, Immigration will always be a problem, no matter what wall/electric fence/canal is built.

[S1lentOp]

I'm still waiting to hear a explanation of what constitutes "reasonable suspicion" that doesn't include someone being brown or something as extreme as having 5 people in someone's trunk.

I think its mainly going to be if an officer hears someone speaking something other than English. Which is a pretty good reason for them not to be in the US. They should at least learn our language and go through the proper channels if they wanna live here. Its not as hard as you think.

I hope you're joking.

[Erranty]

I'm still waiting to hear a explanation of what constitutes "reasonable suspicion" that doesn't include someone being brown or something as extreme as having 5 people in someone's trunk.

I think its mainly going to be if an officer hears someone speaking something other than English. Which is a pretty good reason for them not to be in the US. They should at least learn our language and go through the proper channels if they wanna live here. Its not as hard as you think.

I hope you're joking.

Not really, I mean, even US tourists pick up a translation tool/english-to-[blank] dictionary when they go somewhere. Every illegal immigrant I've met hasn't even made so much as an attempt like that to speak english! They had their son or daughter who's legal translate for them, and they couldn't be there all day, they had school and work.

[Tolby]

So you its suspicious to speak a different language? Is that how ignorant people have gotten?

[Erranty]

So you its suspicious to speak a different language? Is that how ignorant people have gotten?

It's a reasonable way to base a guess about someone not being from the US. And really the only non-racist way to do so.