Obama's health care reform

[AuraTwilight]

A country do need to spend money for the economy, but that country has also got to make sure it doesn't go to waste.

Only a moron thinks it's a waste of money to make sure everyone in the country has health insurance. What the hell is wrong with you people?

I will give it a try, but I think it will fail. Seems we are talking steps towards the left. I rather have be talking some steps to the right. The more left the more government control, and the more right people control.

Other way around. Conservatism by it's very definition has always been reliant on centralized government and regulations, even if they like to think otherwise.

The government is a tool of the people. Making government control sound like a bad thing is pure ignorance. This isn't some Us Vs Government thing, we're on the same side.

[Keyaki]

This isn't some Us Vs Government thing, we're on the same side.

Well...there is still a VERY small group of ppl that think otherwise...

[GyppyGirl2021]

I wouldn't mind big government if said government wasn't corrupt and still let people do what they wanted to, but in this case I think it's safe to say that big government would be more of a hindrance. I'm not laying the blame on Obama at all - although I don't particularly like him myself, he has much less power than people give him credit for, and my opinion is that Congress is corrupt and has far too much power.

...Again, this is only an opinion, but after doing studying on how laws are supposed to be made here in the States, I think that Congress has been handling this situation wrong. The common people should be able to have a say in things, and as it is now Obama is little more than Congress' puppet.

[AuraTwilight]

Well...there is still a VERY small group of ppl that think otherwise...

Yea, the idiots I directed my comments toward.

...Again, this is only an opinion, but after doing studying on how laws are supposed to be made here in the States, I think that Congress has been handling this situation wrong. The common people should be able to have a say in things, and as it is now Obama is little more than Congress' puppet.

...You have no idea how government works, do you?

[GyppyGirl2021]

I'm not a very well-educated person, no duh. As I said, you have every right to take my opinion for granted.

[Keyaki]

Yea, the idiots I directed my comments toward.

I meant the Anarchists.

[Erranty]

I'm sorry, I just don't think a country of our size can be run by a single governing body. And yes, I know that's what the local governments are for, but they aren't really paying attention to us.

I've noticed most other countries are about as big as one of our states, and they seem to do a bit better than us because there's isn't as much to manage.

I still like the idea of a unified military, but a single government just isn't working out. Laws that way be good me the majority of states can ruin the economy in others (ie: Michigan). Not all states produce the same products or share they same businesses, so how can you set one law that affects all of them? Ya know?

[AuraTwilight]

I'm sorry, I just don't think a country of our size can be run by a single governing body. And yes, I know that's what the local governments are for, but they aren't really paying attention to us.

...Okay, and? Was anyone trying to suggest we remove local government and have the Feds do everything?

[Gemcrim]

I sense a "slippery slope" argument coming along soon. Not sure how it can though, but...

[zaseo]

Giving millions health care is not a bad idea. It is the way Obama wants it done. I'm siding with the Republicans on this one. The plan is flawed. Sure it would fix a thing, or two, but it can screw up a lot more things. Change will happen, but it not always good.

[AuraTwilight]

Giving millions health care is not a bad idea. It is the way Obama wants it done.

And what's wrong with the way Obama wants it done? I see lots of complaining but no specifics outside of "spending money is bad." Well, sherlock, how the hell do you pay for health care without spending a load of money. Each American is hundreds of thousands of dollars to insure, and there are tens of millions of Americans. That EASILY adds up to needing a few billion dollars. People are bitching because people have to pay for the goddamn healthcare, not realizing that they are infact paying for health care that is cheaper than the current model, but is also offered to everyone by default with the costs spread across the entire populace to minimal levels instead of pushing it on a single person.

Don't you people understand how money works at all? You are getting more money back in the case of a health emergency than you're paying. YOU'RE GETTING MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR. WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS?

God DAMMIT you people are morons. Leave it to the public, ignorant masses to vote against their best interests.

[Ranylyn]

Giving millions health care is not a bad idea. It is the way Obama wants it done.

And what's wrong with the way Obama wants it done? I see lots of complaining but no specifics outside of "spending money is bad." Well, sherlock, how the hell do you pay for health care without spending a load of money. Each American is hundreds of thousands of dollars to insure, and there are tens of millions of Americans. That EASILY adds up to needing a few billion dollars. People are bitching because people have to pay for the goddamn healthcare, not realizing that they are infact paying for health care that is cheaper than the current model, but is also offered to everyone by default with the costs spread across the entire populace to minimal levels instead of pushing it on a single person.

Don't you people understand how money works at all? You are getting more money back in the case of a health emergency than you're paying. YOU'RE GETTING MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR. WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS?

God DAMMIT you people are morons. Leave it to the public, ignorant masses to vote against their best interests.

Yeah, basically quoted for truth. For example, my mother needed a Defribulator installed.

The unit itself is $15,000 dollars. She was in the hospital for about a month before and after due to her heart being under surveilance so that's roughly 50 days in a hospital bed for 100 (I THINK it was 100, might have been 1000) dollars a night, another 5000. Then the operation and procedures themselves? Totaling 30,000. However, because here in Canada, we have UHC, it was paid for from those years of taxes. She didn't need to pay up front, and it saved her life. How is this bad by any stretch? (Except for the fact that my mother and I are not talking to one another?) Yeah, she didn't need much in the ways of healthcare before that, but boom, imagine the average citizen trying to pay that kind of money while off work!

[zaseo]

Things have got to be worked out like health care for people who are fine with their current insurance, illegal immigrants, taxes etc. Back into 2006 Massachusetts adopted health care reform similar to Obama's plan that will be in full effect in a few years.

[Tuna]

All I can say, is that I wish the best for America, God knows you need it.

[Mirus]

I'm just gald it's over, I kept getting phone calls from bots who were opposed to Obama

It was so annoying and I recieved them during school...good thing my cellphone is always on silent

[zaseo]

More reasons why this plan shall likely fail. The USA is in so much debt already. Let add 30million people who get government control health care to it. Inform me if I'm was reading this wrong, but if a person switches jobs wouldn't they be put on government health care automatically? I thought Obama was going to be different, but he just seems to be the Democratic version of Bush.

[S1lentOp]

More reasons why this plan shall likely fail. The USA is in so much debt already. Let add 30million people who get government control health care to it. Inform me if I'm was reading this wrong, but if a person switches jobs wouldn't they be put on government health care automatically?

Most of those 30+ million uninsured people are going to be privately insured. There is no "government control health care" that people are put under in this bill, and there's no government insurance plan for people who are switching jobs. The bill just ensures that people who are switching jobs won't get dropped from their plan while they're looking for new employment.

If you're going to say something is likely to fail then you should at least have some basic knowledge of what it actually does instead of throwing the words "government control" around like you know what you're talking about and have some valid objection to it.

[Ranylyn]

More reasons why this plan shall likely fail. The USA is in so much debt already. Let add 30million people who get government control health care to it. Inform me if I'm was reading this wrong, but if a person switches jobs wouldn't they be put on government health care automatically? I thought Obama was going to be different, but he just seems to be the Democratic version of Bush.

Read my post on page one, please. No, seriously, please. Your post made my head hurt with wtf. It was NOT UHC that was implemented, and the reason for the change was because people fear what is alien to them and it's a step towards UHC without deviating too far from Private insurance. Also, AT pointed out the most glaringly obvious truth about fiances and the economy, read that as well.

[zaseo]

I understand what both of you are saying, but I don't think this will work out for America. Health Care wasn't perfect. It wasn't broken as well. It wouldn't surprise me if the USA becomes a communist country someday. Not just because of UHC, but many other reasons as well. The people in the USA are lowly losing their rights. It is the peoples job to correct the government if it fails them. Should health care be a natural right to a certain extent? yes. Should it be universal in a country like America? hell no.

It may not happen, but if people start to riot at the hospitals, and at the government we know why.

[AuraTwilight]

It wasn't broken as well.

Yes it was. Do you know anything about how health insurance works, or are you just parroting Mommy and Daddy's opinions?

It wouldn't surprise me if the USA becomes a communist country someday. Not just because of UHC, but many other reasons as well. The people in the USA are lowly losing their rights.

America will never become a Communist country, and no one is losing their rights (unless they're gay).

Should health care be a natural right to a certain extent? yes. Should it be universal in a country like America? hell no.

So basically, what you're saying is that people only have the right to be healthy if they can pay for it. Don't you realize how unbelievably unethical the old system of health care was? It was basically charging you for being sick even if you weren't getting treatment.

It may not happen, but if people start to riot at the hospitals, and at the government we know why.

Because people are idiots?