Massive Spoiler Thread

[Kouen]

I lol'ed so hard reading about the //Link G.U. storyline. So at the part where  Ovan used Rebirth, and Tokio ended up in the desert, is that where he got his Xth form from? Did he "replace" Haseo's screen-time postion from Redemption?

 No, Tokio gets Xth Form in the 5th dot of the 2020 era after you beat the main //Roots storyline, so you're playing through G.U. with Xth Form already. That desert scene was a brief scene showing Tokio lying in the desert, he passes out and wakes up at Mac Anu's Chaos Gate. At this point Atoli tells you to go to Grima Lowe to hear Haseo's voice and that's the main storyline. Also, no you have to manually upgrade Haseo to get his Xth Form, which I just did. I meant he doesn't get Xth Form through the G.U. storyline, I guess they didn't want to give you a free Xth Form'd Haseo.

[GyppyGirl2021]

Any idea  why Haseo joins if he's "dead" in the G.U. timeline? Is he an AI or something, or is it residue from the Roots timeline?

[Kouen]

Any idea  why Haseo joins if he's "dead" in the G.U. time line? Is he an AI or something, or is it residue from the Roots time line?

 You start off the storyline with every Twilight Knight member stoned in the town center of 2020 Mac Anu. As you go back in time and do stuff with the members of the past, the current ones get revived. It could be a possibility that you going back in time has nothing to do with the actual existence of the current ones in 2020 since they will follow the already established storyline. But once the 2020 ones revive, they will recognize you and what happened when you traveled back in time. Like I said, don't exactly quote me on the Haseo dying part, I still have some extra missions from G.U. to do as well as //Returner and //Trilogy.

But my theory is that either all of the Twilight Members are AIs or most of them are. You will eventually have 3 forms of Haseo's player joining you on the Grand Whale (your guild @home/ship). As well, you have players such as Phyllo who should not exist in 2020 due to what happens in the original //Roots storyline. It's quite confusing as almost any random character with a face is a Twilight Knight member. Remember those 2 random CC Admins from //GIFT? They're here too. The fact that the 2020 members recognize you from when you time traveled also leads me to believe that they're AIs.

[GyppyGirl2021]

 So the old AI theory was right? Eh, I still don't like what they did to G.U.'s story :\ That's something I'll probably overcome in time, though...

[Heighth]

Um I'm sorry but I distincly remember a certain friend of mine COUGH PHYLLO COUGH. Dying in //Roots. How the hell do you bring someone back frm the dead once they're gone. And also maybe Haseo is spiritually dead not physically.

[Kouen]

Um I'm sorry but I distincly remember a certain friend of mine COUGH PHYLLO COUGH. Dying in //Roots. How the hell do you bring someone back frm the dead once they're gone. And also maybe Haseo is spiritually dead not physically.

 Which is exactly why I think most of the 2020 Twilight Knight members are AI. Also no, Haseo is apparently physically dead in the G.U. part of the story and spiritually alive. But that only applies to the main G.U. storyline for LINK as apparently he's still alive in the Returner section. Although I can't exactly confirm it since he doesn't make a physical appearance, he is mentioned to have went to Coite-Bodher with Shino to meet up with Ovan. But you don't meet any of them when you arrive, you do however find the AIDA in the treasure box.

Oh yeah, so far out of the characters that I've Xth Form'd, Haseo is the only one who I can choose between 1st Form and Xth Form. This is probably because he and Ovan have collaboration costumes, so might as well include 1st Form. I've heard rumours that you can switch between regular and Xth Form for the others too but the ones I Xth Form'd don't have that function yet. I'll try to get one of them to Rank 5 to see if I can switch them there.

[Tolby]

 Yea, I was immediately depressed when I unlocked Sieg, because I knew we would get Kuhn. I was really happy with the graveyard at first. "Awesome some epic battle went down and now I get to save them Return to Oz style." Then when Sieg was saved that meant at least one of them had to be an AI. If not both. Though maybe the playable characters are real? Not holding my breath for that either. Considering the AIs are saved from the graveyard and appear on the ship. So basically they are exactly the same as the playable characters, just not playable.


Edit: Also just murdered Gabi. Just call me the Everlasting Gabi-Stopper.

[Heighth]

 Which is exactly why I think most of the 2020 Twilight Knight members are AI. Also no, Haseo is apparently physically dead in the G.U. part of the story and spiritually alive. But that only applies to the main G.U. storyline for LINK as apparently he's still alive in the Returner section. Although I can't exactly confirm it since he doesn't make a physical appearance, he is mentioned to have went to Coite-Bodher with Shino to meet up with Ovan. But you don't meet any of them when you arrive, you do however find the AIDA in the treasure box.

Oh yeah, so far out of the characters that I've Xth Form'd, Haseo is the only one who I can choose between 1st Form and Xth Form. This is probably because he and Ovan have collaboration costumes, so might as well include 1st Form. I've heard rumours that you can switch between regular and Xth Form for the others too but the ones I Xth Form'd don't have that function yet. I'll try to get one of them to Rank 5 to see if I can switch them there.

So what Haseo's spirit is trapped in the game and he is PHYSICALLY DEAD!!DAMN YOU CC CORP FOR KILLING OFF ME- ER I MEAN MY FAVORITE CHARACTER!!!!But in all seriousness I know its fake but cmon why kill him off and basically screw up the majority of the GU storyline. How does that storyline continue that makes no sense

[Ranylyn]

Physically dead? But .hack is a fake MMO, right? So his character got owned and he may have fallen into a coma temporarily but he's techncially still alive, like with Ovan, right? Or is //LINK not online anymore and somehow the system burst free and took over the real world which would explain why Tokio looks like the anti-MMO and has god damn track pants, googles, and a school bag?

[GyppyGirl2021]

It's been shown previously that The World can kill people (as in, it's fully capable of doing so, but no instances have been shown). I'm more upset over who they killed off.

[Kouen]

Physically dead? But .hack is a fake MMO, right? So his character got owned and he may have fallen into a coma temporarily but he's techncially still alive, like with Ovan, right? Or is //LINK not online anymore and somehow the system burst free and took over the real world which would explain why Tokio looks like the anti-MMO and has god damn track pants, googles, and a school bag?

 Actually let me get this straight. Haseo's CHARACTER in that specific G.U. storyline where Tokio went back in time is apparently dead/deleted/damaged beyond repair. There is most likely no affect on the player because there probably isn't even a player behind that Haseo. It's just a Haseo memory copy AI, thing. Think of it as an alternate dimension. Even if there is a player behind that Haseo, the voice did tell Tokio that they will meet again in the future. The memories of this Haseo transferred to the Haseo in 2020 when you go back to revive him.

Geez, Link doesn't solve anything but brings even more contradictory problems to .hack.

[GyppyGirl2021]

*breathes a sigh of relief*

This game just saved itself from being completely irredeemable in my eyes.

 So this version of G.U. is an alternate timeline where Haseo is evil?

[Kouen]

It also doesn't help that the big bad enigmatic CC Corp is run by a guy named "Genius" who looks like the brother of that one tanned girl from Love Hina.

[GyppyGirl2021]

By the way, I'd like you to keep an eye out for any further Haseo/Atoli hints if it's at all possible. :3

note: you do not have to follow this request, it is rather silly XD

[Ranylyn]

Thanks for clearing that up, Kouen but still....

At first I laughed when someone said "a ten year old's fanfiction is better than this! At least it doesn't sexually violate the story" but now I'm seeing it's not that far off. I mean, I can settle for non-canon, but a non-canon contradictory fact isn;t a big deal compared to this: //LINK has been considered canon by a lot of people since before it came out and it's flat out contradicting everything we ever knew about .hack.

[Kouen]

It doesn't really contradict anything. Everything that happens up until 2020 still occurs. All Tokio does is get thrown back into the past memories stored within the Akasha Records. Whatever Tokio does has no affect on what has happened up until 2020, it just affects the memories of the stoned Twilight Knights. If I recall, Saika stresses the point that as long as Tokio obtains the Chrono Cores and frees the current Twilight Knights, whatever happens in that past memory does not matter. Actually I take back that earlier statement, it's a paradox not a contradiction. But it still doesn't change the fact that //LINK is a load of bull.

[Heighth]

It doesn't really contradict anything. Everything that happens up until 2020 still occurs. All Tokio does is get thrown back into the past memories stored within the Akasha Records. Whatever Tokio does has no affect on what has happened up until 2020, it just affects the memories of the stoned Twilight Knights. If I recall, Saika stresses the point that as long as Tokio obtains the Chrono Cores and frees the current Twilight Knights, whatever happens in that past memory does not matter. Actually I take back that earlier statement, it's a paradox not a contradiction. But it still doesn't change the fact that //LINK is a load of bull.

That may explain why everyone looks like their freaking //LINK forms instead of their originals when the red wonder travels "back in time" so he doesnt screw with the past but experiences it. Also so Haseo is basically FUBAR'd.

[Kouen]

That may explain why everyone looks like their freaking //LINK forms instead of their originals when the red wonder travels "back in time" so he doesnt screw with the past but experiences it. Also so Haseo is basically FUBAR'd.

I think they're just taking some liberties with the designs. Canonically they should still look the same as they did in their respective original timelines.

[TheSorrow]

Well, with all this information, i guess it could be said that every other character that interacts with Tokio (at least the ones from the "past"), are all AI's...just memories from The World, from those Akasha Records or whatever, pure data either way. And all that's happening in LINK is that CC Corp is doing something crazy and Tokio finally gets the chance of being the hero of his favorite game, basicly being in a "dream world" with all the other heroes and "surpassing" them, and fixing whatever problem is going around The World this time. And meanwhile, while Tokio is busy being the hero, Kite's player is at the FIFA World Cup, Ryou and Chigusa are having sex, Kaoru is finally learning how to warm up the shower on his own, and overall, the "real players" are just there elsewhere in the outside world and not a part in Tokio's adventure.

If this is all correct...then LINK's not really that bad in the end, because then you could say that it doesn't "count" at all XD It's just a random adventure of a silly wannabe-hero guy, that doesn't modify the old story or affects the other characters in ANY way...except maybe Aura.

[GyppyGirl2021]

Well, with all this information, i guess it could be said that every other character that interacts with Tokio (at least the ones from the "past"), are all AI's...just memories from The World, from those Akasha Records or whatever, pure data either way. And all that's happening in LINK is that CC Corp is doing something crazy and Tokio finally gets the chance of being the hero of his favorite game, basicly being in a "dream world" with all the other heroes and "surpassing" them, and fixing whatever problem is going around The World this time. And meanwhile, while Tokio is busy being the hero, Kite's player is at the FIFA World Cup, Ryou and Chigusa are having sex, Kaoru is finally learning how to warm up the shower on his own, and overall, the "real players" are just there elsewhere in the outside world and not a part in Tokio's adventure.

If this is all correct...then LINK's not really that bad in the end, because then you could say that it doesn't "count" at all XD It's just a random adventure of a silly wannabe-hero guy, that doesn't modify the old story or affects the other characters in ANY way...except maybe Aura.

You win, especially for the bolded (and italicized *cough*) part XD