The mystery behind Ovan's lost weapon.

[iuliathe3rd]

Also theres the fact that the Infinity eight look like their lost weapons. Haseo's Xth form looks like his lost weapons final form. Atoli is the same color as her lost weapon, Kuhn looks plant like what with the grass skirt and all, Yata has color as well, Sakubo has a different weapon for each so its obvious, Endurance looks like his weapon, so dose Pi, so Ovans would be a dead give away to every one (in other words Haseo since we all knew he was XD Ah Haseo, AKA Captain oblivious.)

Given those descriptions of the Lost Weapons then, I wouldn't say that, "The Lost Weapons look like their owners". I would be much more picky and say, "The Lost Weapons match their Epitaphs." Basically, there are similar color schemes and some matching details (such as the roses on Endrance's weapon), but not actually looking alike.
I'm just being very particular about it, that's all. XP "Looking alike" and "matching" are likely similar enough in meaning that they're both acceptable in this case, so blah.

[Ratsu]

Also theres the fact that the Infinity eight look like their lost weapons. Haseo's Xth form looks like his lost weapons final form. Atoli is the same color as her lost weapon, Kuhn looks plant like what with the grass skirt and all, Yata has color as well, Sakubo has a different weapon for each so its obvious, Endurance looks like his weapon, so dose Pi, so Ovans would be a dead give away to every one (in other words Haseo since we all knew he was XD Ah Haseo, AKA Captain oblivious.)

Given those descriptions of the Lost Weapons then, I wouldn't say that, "The Lost Weapons look like their owners". I would be much more picky and say, "The Lost Weapons match their Epitaphs." Basically, there are similar color schemes and some matching details (such as the roses on Endrance's weapon), but not actually looking alike.
I'm just being very particular about it, that's all. XP "Looking alike" and "matching" are likely similar enough in meaning that they're both acceptable in this case, so blah.

The epitaph users look like their avatars, The lost weapons look like their respected avatar, So therefore the lost weapon looks like their epitaph user. (A=B, B=C then A=C) XD

[AuraTwilight]

Not really. The Avatar is based on the PC of the Epitaph User with it's own elements (wings, buds, a spike through the chest, whatever), creating a composite of the Epitaph User and an upgrade of the original Phase. The Lost Weapons solely resemble the Phase aspects, so your formula is more like "B = A + C; C = D."

Either way, they'd need to have seen Ovan's Epitaph before they can deduce the owner of his Lost Weapon preemptively.

[twilight_keeper]

Besides, when looking at Ovan, usually you can tell what a lost weapon looks like due to it's at least peculiar appearance. But the Steam Gun that Ovan carries looks rather plain and most likely isn't his lost weapon.

[Keyaki]

Besides, when looking at Ovan, usually you can tell what a lost weapon looks like due to it's at least peculiar appearance. But the Steam Gun that Ovan carries looks rather plain and most likely isn't his lost weapon.

dude, its already been confirmed that the gun that used isn't his lost weapon

[twilight_keeper]

Besides, when looking at Ovan, usually you can tell what a lost weapon looks like due to it's at least peculiar appearance. But the Steam Gun that Ovan carries looks rather plain and most likely isn't his lost weapon.

dude, its already been confirmed that the gun that used isn't his lost weapon

My bad... my bad...

[ZelkovatheWise]

Ovan purposely does not use his lost weapon because it would counteract the AIDA he possesses and so be in other words really useless. He uses a normal weapon because AIDA corrupts the data of the weapon that the host is using as we have seen several time.

I wish I had come back sooner as I wanted to get into that conversation AT had ^_^.

[_Tri-edge_]

Ovan purposely does not use his lost weapon because it would counteract the AIDA he possesses and so be in other words really useless. He uses a normal weapon because AIDA corrupts the data of the weapon that the host is using as we have seen several time.

1.) We don't know what Ovan's intentions were with the lost weapon, due to the fact that we have no idea when he got it, where he put it, etc.

2.) AIDA doesn't mainly corrupt data in the host's weapon. We've only seen that with Ovan. If you fought Bordeaux and Sakaki, you would realize that.

[AuraTwilight]

Not to mention that they may not necessarily be able to corrupt a Lost Weapon in the way you're implying anyway.

[CountDOOMDestroyer]

i have a question about ovans weapon that u see. the 1 he fights u with. how come it is the same as the 1 in the very last part of the forest of pain? and the question that haseo is asked... do u think that has something 2 do with ovans conciousness? bcuz it seems to me that it is very similar 2 ovans way of thinking. and in the pk selection quest i think haseo is asked the same question by that goriki guy i think

[_Tri-edge_]

i have a question about ovans weapon that u see. the 1 he fights u with. how come it is the same as the 1 in the very last part of the forest of pain? and the question that haseo is asked... do u think that has something 2 do with ovans conciousness? bcuz it seems to me that it is very similar 2 ovans way of thinking. and in the pk selection quest i think haseo is asked the same question by that goriki guy i think

Well, that was Ovan's weapon sheathed inside the rock. If I remember correctly, those who finish the Forest of Pain are granted what they most desire in The World. At first, when Haseo cleared it in //ROOTS, he was then encountered by Harold. He asks a question, and depending on your answer, you are granted what you deserve. Haseo answered the question harshly and rudely. In short, he wanted power, and Harold gave him power. That's how his Third Form was obtained. This time, Haseo wanted Ovan to come back, and he was again encountered by Harold, except this time, Haseo answered his questions in a calm and respected manner. His reward? Another talk with Ovan, only it was his conciousness.

And about what Immortal Goriki said:

"What is strength?" was the question.

[CountDOOMDestroyer]

i have a question about ovans weapon that u see. the 1 he fights u with. how come it is the same as the 1 in the very last part of the forest of pain? and the question that haseo is asked... do u think that has something 2 do with ovans conciousness? bcuz it seems to me that it is very similar 2 ovans way of thinking. and in the pk selection quest i think haseo is asked the same question by that goriki guy i think

Well, that was Ovan's weapon sheathed inside the rock. If I remember correctly, those who finish the Forest of Pain are granted what they most desire in The World. At first, when Haseo cleared it in //ROOTS, he was then encountered by Harold. He asks a question, and depending on your answer, you are granted what you deserve. Haseo answered the question harshly and rudely. In short, he wanted power, and Harold gave him power. That's how his Third Form was obtained. This time, Haseo wanted Ovan to come back, and he was again encountered by Harold, except this time, Haseo answered his questions in a calm and respected manner. His reward? Another talk with Ovan, only it was his conciousness.

And about what Immortal Goriki said:

"What is strength?" was the question.

that does seem quite plausible... however harald seemed slightly influenced last time i got through the FoP. actually... he seemed 2 b looking elsewhere or thinking something else. i could b wrong. i cant remember cuz it has been a while since i have beaten the FoP. how is it that harald hoerwick is asking haseo the question tho? i remember harald having something 2 do with the epitaph of twilight but not what exactly it was

[_Tri-edge_]

Harald was just a floating upside-down version of "The Thinker" really. It's not that he was looking else where, he was just positioned like that oddly. Plus, Harald is trapped within the game, or to be more specific, the black box he created, thanks to Morganna. His only relation to the Epitaph of Twlight though, is when he used it as the basic skeleton to create The World shortly after Emma's death. CC Corp. shortly followed in his footsteps.

[|<!73]

Harald also created the simulation for the poem in .hack//Epitaph of Twilight (and the doom error) but thats about it. As for the event with Harald... Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=054o71k-Lwg , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Mhab4LdTI

(I just realized but Harald has another set of blades. Other than that does anyone believe Harald can connect with the player’s consciousness?)

[AuraTwilight]

(I just realized but Harald has another set of blades. Other than that does anyone believe Harald can connect with the player’s consciousness?)

Pretty much every digital entity can do this.

[ZelkovatheWise]

Ovan purposely does not use his lost weapon because it would counteract the AIDA he possesses and so be in other words really useless. He uses a normal weapon because AIDA corrupts the data of the weapon that the host is using as we have seen several time.

1.) We don't know what Ovan's intentions were with the lost weapon, due to the fact that we have no idea when he got it, where he put it, etc.

2.) AIDA doesn't mainly corrupt data in the host's weapon. We've only seen that with Ovan. If you fought Bordeaux and Sakaki, you would realize that.

You are forgetting Taihaku's weapon, Maxwell. It also was corrupted. An Bordeaux weapon was corrupted as it was a AIDA version of the weapon we always see her with. Sakaki I cannot remember Sakaki's weapon off the top of my head (and btw I have beaten the games 100% and have 2 memories files filled with certain spots saved that I deem important such as these). Also you don't need to fight Bordeaux to notice the weapon corruption, look at the video's provided to us via the movies section of your desktop. You will see right before she turns in the AIDA Avatar she is holding her weapon. Taihaku doesnt look at all like he has been corrupted because in fact his character data has not been corrupted. The human players emotion are being messed around with by AIDA and the players conscious is being brought into the game. Maxwell is the corrupted thing here though it doesn't appear to be.

Though I will admit that AT might be right and it isn't possible to corrupt a Lost Weapon. But I have to say this, if its possible to corrupt the wielder of a lost weapon as it has been shown (Haseo was beginning to become corrupted in volume 3 and he had a lost weapon, Atoli had hers in volume 2 and she was corrupted 100%), than can we say its not possible. Epitaph's were suppose to be the only thing that could stand a chance against AIDA without getting themselves hurt. Think about this for a second before jumping to the conclusion that Lost Weapons cannot be corrupted.

[GyppyGirl2021]

...Taihaku was a special case, and I don't think Bordeaux's weapon was corrupted. o_o

Neither was Sakaki's, really.

Also, it may be possible for Epitaph Users to be corrupted, but the Lost Weapon is not the main target of the AIDA.

[ZelkovatheWise]

...Taihaku was a special case, and I don't think Bordeaux's weapon was corrupted. o_o

Neither was Sakaki's, really.

Also, it may be possible for Epitaph Users to be corrupted, but the Lost Weapon is not the main target of the AIDA.

Taihaku was no special case, he was no different then Endrance, a epitaph user at the time might I add (we weren't discussing whether or not Epitaph Users can be corrupted or not because its already been agreed on by us that its possible since we cannot rebunk the evidence shown to us within the game, I mean we have actually seen it over 3 times ourselves in the game). Also we never stated that the Lost Weapon was the main target of AIDA, we just were debating could a Lost Weapon be corrupted just like any other weapon and character. The Lost Weapons are nothing more than mere weapons, they are only special because the makers of the game cannot tamper with them (just the makers as AIDA can mess with things that the makers couldn't ex. Lost Grounds,) and that they are only usable by the corresponding epitaph user. That's all, there is nothing else that makes them special.

[GyppyGirl2021]

Taihaku wasn't any different from Endrance, but on the subject of the current topic he was, because he was one of only two characters who canonically had their weapons affected by AIDA.

Just because an infected player can put another player into a coma by PKing them doesn't necessarily mean that their weapons were affected as well.

[ZelkovatheWise]

Taihaku wasn't any different from Endrance, but on the subject of the current topic he was, because he was one of only two characters who canonically had their weapons affected by AIDA.

Just because an infected player can put another player into a coma by PKing them doesn't necessarily mean that their weapons were affected as well.

No one stated that. But it was said in the game that Maxwell, Taihaku's weapon was infected by AIDA not Taihaku. Also as for Sirius, if I remember correctly he is a tribal grappler and therefore you wouldn't see his weapons anyways so you cannot say it wasnt corrupted. You are debating with me on a topic of whether weapons can be corrupted and that is not what this topic is on. WE ARE DEBATING ON WHETHER LOST WEAPONS CAN BE CORRUPTED BY USING THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SEEN REGULAR WEAPONS BEING CORRUPTED AS A BASIS. Read the full thread before you comment next time because everywhere I go you are commenting to me on something that is totally different from what we are discussing. Also for future reference, Endrance's weapon was never corrupted nor was he. The AIDA was the cat on his shoulder and it was just manipulating him was all.