The mystery behind Ovan's lost weapon.

[shadow of skeith]

Okay, I've noticed that when you are in Theta: Hidden Forbidden Sacrement, there are eight seal circles, of course, because there are eight epitaphs, but one seal was missing. Ovan's. Now it has been confirmed that Ovan's lost weapon wasn't the bayonet he carries or the axe, since the axe was made by AIDA and that the bayonet is called "Demon's Slice" a lvl. 75 bayonet that has been enhanced in strength due to the controlling AIDA in Ovan's PC. It's been said that Ovan's lost weapon is called "coming reincarnation" as stated on the .hack//wiki, but it's still a mystery on what it looks like. So in general, what and where in the world is Ovan's lost weapon??

[Haseo{Terror of Death}]

He probably has is somewhere safe where no one will ever see it. I think Aina would know though...well maybe...

[Master ZED]

So in general, what and where in the world is Ovan's lost weapon??

The only thing we know for sure is that it's a bayonet, not only because of Ovan's class, but because the games lists "8th Phase Bayonet" after 7th Phase Gauntlets in the executables of Reminisce and Redemption. The games have no more data on the weapon than that.

[Azure Zero]

Well... I think the Ovan´s Last weapon is him bayonet but... I was thinkinig in the Empty Blades of Kite... The Kite´s blades are an item *5 and i was thinking ... The kite weapon is the 8 last weapon O.o!

Greetings

[AuraTwilight]

Okay, I've noticed that when you are in Theta: Hidden Forbidden Sacrement, there are eight seal circles, of course, because there are eight epitaphs, but one seal was missing. Ovan's. Now it has been confirmed that Ovan's lost weapon wasn't the bayonet he carries or the axe, since the axe was made by AIDA and that the bayonet is called "Demon's Slice" a lvl. 75 bayonet that has been enhanced in strength due to the controlling AIDA in Ovan's PC. It's been said that Ovan's lost weapon is called "coming reincarnation" as stated on the .hack//wiki, but it's still a mystery on what it looks like. So in general, what and where in the world is Ovan's lost weapon??

The Lost Weapon's name could be hypothetical. It's my personal theory that his Lost Weapon never came into existence, since Corbenic was never Data Drained like the other Seven Phases when they faced off against Kite.

He probably has is somewhere safe where no one will ever see it. I think Aina would know though...well maybe...

If it exists at all, it has to be in his PC's inventory. There's no other place it's allowed to exist.

The only thing we know for sure is that it's a bayonet, not only because of Ovan's class, but because the games lists "8th Phase Bayonet" after 7th Phase Gauntlets in the executables of Reminisce and Redemption. The games have no more data on the weapon than that.

There's all sorts of unused files implying that there were plans for Ovan to be a party member. They changed their minds, so those sorts of files aren't necessarily valid in-universe.

Well... I think the Ovan´s Last weapon is him bayonet but... I was thinkinig in the Empty Blades of Kite... The Kite´s blades are an item *5 and i was thinking ... The kite weapon is the 8 last weapon O.o!

Impossible. No one but Ovan can hold his Lost Weapon, not even Azure Kite. The Empty Blades are a weapon made for Azure Kite, but they are not Lost Weapons as they are not fragments of Epitaph Data. I suppose you could play with the idea that the Azure Blades are the equivalent to Azure Flame God, but since they were given to Haseo, that disproves the idea.

[Keyaki]

Okay, I've noticed that when you are in Theta: Hidden Forbidden Sacrement, there are eight seal circles, of course, because there are eight epitaphs, but one seal was missing. Ovan's. Now it has been confirmed that Ovan's lost weapon wasn't the bayonet he carries or the axe, since the axe was made by AIDA and that the bayonet is called "Demon's Slice" a lvl. 75 bayonet that has been enhanced in strength due to the controlling AIDA in Ovan's PC. It's been said that Ovan's lost weapon is called "coming reincarnation" as stated on the .hack//wiki, but it's still a mystery on what it looks like. So in general, what and where in the world is Ovan's lost weapon??

The Lost Weapon's name could be hypothetical. It's my personal theory that his Lost Weapon never came into existence, since Corbenic was never Data Drained like the other Seven Phases when they faced off against Kite.

yea thats true





But imo, I'm starting to doubt that it exist as well but there is a 8 circle that looks like something was take out of it

and this is off-topic but I'm also wondering why the weapon that Haseo pulls out at the end of the Painful Forest looks just like Ovan's weapon

[AuraTwilight]

1) Because there would've been no Lost Weapon, but still a spot in the Lost Ground.

2) For the same reasons his Roots weapons looked like Alkaid's: Coincidence and laziness.

[Master ZED]

There's all sorts of unused files implying that there were plans for Ovan to be a party member. They changed their minds, so those sorts of files aren't necessarily valid in-universe.

From the looks of the PC, they changed their minds on whether Ovan could fight using his sealed form during Rebirth's development, and the 8th Phase Bayonet text was probably written in case they wanted to put the weapon in the temple in volume 2 to give people false hope. They could have written it off as Ovan never bothering with the weapon himself to avoid strengthening <Tri-Edge> indirectly, possibly using it in place of the Demon Slice after Zelkova forced it on him. Then again, the text may simply be there in case someone important in development suddenly decided they had enough free time to make it happen and there were never any plans for such a weapon in the first place, hence why we only have the Coming Reincarnation name and not a single pic to go with it. They had enough time to get started on the Warning Chord (Sophora's Harvest Cleric staff) and the improved weapons for IYOTEN and Asta (hell, the latter two are complete enough that I'm surprised they weren't used, which is why I picked up IYOTEN's blade and gave it a name), so if they wanted Ovan to have a Lost Weapon at any point, it could have been easily arranged.

There's also the fact that I've seen no such files implying Ovan would join. I would daresay that some characters can be hacked into the party because of a technical restriction whose purpose is to give certain characters access to sound.afs for Skill voice clips. I can't think of a completely unusable PC that can say its attack names, while OTOH, I can't envision scenarios in which Sirius or Taihaku would join without someone breaking character. It seems to be the most plausible explanation based on what I know.

I will say, however, that I like your idea of Coming Reincarnation not existing in the first place. I have some theories myself on the .hack story, but most of them really piss off the fanbase since they go against Aura's word and the Perfect Guidebook. :\

and this is off-topic but I'm also wondering why the weapon that Haseo pulls out at the end of the Painful Forest looks just like Ovan's weapon

Because it is: the Demon Slice is symbolic of Haseo's wish for Ovan's return, just as the Honeysuckles on Haseo's initial trip represented his desire to rescue Shino. Whether Harald would or even could have granted her release from AIDA's clutches, or was limited to just doing something to further that end like force Skeith to awaken, is a moot point considering Haseo had to go and piss the AI off.

[shadow of skeith]

1) Because there would've been no Lost Weapon, but still a spot in the Lost Ground.

2) For the same reasons his Roots weapons looked like Alkaid's: Coincidence and laziness.

But the lost weapons were the missing power the phases lost a long time ago, so Corebenik had to have lost some power, since it used rebirth three times and was about to be destroyed for good when Kite jumped for a final blow, so I don't think the phases nessesarily had to have been data drained to lose some of their power. However, I think AuraTwilight has a point.Theta: Hidden Forbidden Sacrament, is the only Lost Ground in the games that hasen't been "Marked" with a Tri-edge sign, which may prove the point that Ovan has never been to this place probably.....But then again, Ovan bascially knew every other place that was outside game enviorments, the room with the lockers, the creator's room, Outer Dungeons, so it's possible that Ovan already knew about the place, maybe before Phyllo even knew about it, which would explain why 7 of the 8 seals were still active, and the last eight seal was already done by Ovan, But this raises even another thing. Every lost weapon, with the exception of Ovan's at the moment, was a different class weapon. Haseo-sycthe, Atoli-Staff, Kuhn-Bayonet, Yata-fans(So gay.), Sakubo-Grimore book, Endrance-Blade, Pi-Gloves, so could an Epitaph user have a same class weapon as another Epitaph user? Since both Kuhn and Ovan are classified as steam gunners?

[Ratsu]

1) Because there would've been no Lost Weapon, but still a spot in the Lost Ground.

2) For the same reasons his Roots weapons looked like Alkaid's: Coincidence and laziness.

But the lost weapons were the missing power the phases lost a long time ago, so Corebenik had to have lost some power, since it used rebirth three times and was about to be destroyed for good when Kite jumped for a final blow, so I don't think the phases nessesarily had to have been data drained to lose some of their power. However, I think AuraTwilight has a point.Theta: Hidden Forbidden Sacrament, is the only Lost Ground in the games that hasen't been "Marked" with a Tri-edge sign, which may prove the point that Ovan has never been to this place probably.....But then again, Ovan bascially knew every other place that was outside game enviorments, the room with the lockers, the creator's room, Outer Dungeons, so it's possible that Ovan already knew about the place, maybe before Phyllo even knew about it, which would explain why 7 of the 8 seals were still active, and the last eight seal was already done by Ovan, But this raises even another thing. Every lost weapon, with the exception of Ovan's at the moment, was a different class weapon. Haseo-sycthe, Atoli-Staff, Kuhn-Bayonet, Yata-fans(So gay.), Sakubo-Grimore book, Endrance-Blade, Pi-Gloves, so could an Epitaph user have a same class weapon as another Epitaph user? Since both Kuhn and Ovan are classified as steam gunners?

Don't get me started on my "Ovan's really an adept rouge" rant again. >_>:

[shadow of skeith]

I guess not, since Ovan wasn't an adept rouge to begin with. AIDA gave him the ability to handle an Axe while holding his weapon.

[TheSorrow]

I guess not, since Ovan wasn't an adept rouge to begin with. AIDA gave him the ability to handle an Axe while holding his weapon.

I've wondered...what's with the axe-thingy and where did it come from exactly? And why does it look like some dual sword (Spin Drake i guess)? Did he get it from someplace? Tri-Edge gave it to him so he could be actually "Tri-Edge"? Or was it all just for teh lulz? Or what?

[Rattlingjoint]

I guess not, since Ovan wasn't an adept rouge to begin with. AIDA gave him the ability to handle an Axe while holding his weapon.

I've wondered...what's with the axe-thingy and where did it come from exactly? And why does it look like some dual sword (Spin Drake i guess)? Did he get it from someplace? Tri-Edge gave it to him so he could be actually "Tri-Edge"? Or was it all just for teh lulz? Or what?

I think that overthinking things. Doesnt really matter where it came from, its just a power given to him by controlling Tri-Edge.

also to anyone trying to piece together "they are all different classes" stop. your brains not working right. This is a game mechanic so Haseo has a diversity of classes to choose from.

[TheSorrow]

I think that overthinking things. Doesnt really matter where it came from, its just a power given to him by controlling Tri-Edge.

But i wanna know ;-;!!!!
And he didn't really control Tri-Edge, nor Tri-Edge took %100 control of him. Like he said...they're "dangerous friends that understand each other".

[Rattlingjoint]

so he "killed" his friend and the rest of his family? cold. lol I'm just being funny now.

I believe Ovan had almost complete control over Tri-Edge MOST OF THE TIME. The few times it slipped out were just bad coincidences

[Master ZED]

But the lost weapons were the missing power the phases lost a long time ago, so Corebenik had to have lost some power, since it used rebirth three times and was about to be destroyed for good when Kite jumped for a final blow, so I don't think the phases nessesarily had to have been data drained to lose some of their power.

Form changing and the Rebirth are two totally separate things. I think Ovan proved the point that the Rebirth is a supremely powerful program meant only to activate when Corbenik concludes it is about to die, and it was hardly on the verge of death at any point in its battle with Kite. It was only when Aura activated her own Data Drain as a final attack did Corbenik take even the slightest amount of real damage. When it became a leaf, it was being "born" from the seed. When it became the eye and the battlefield changed, however, that was to show that Morganna had taken Corbenik completely over.

However, I think AuraTwilight has a point.Theta: Hidden Forbidden Sacrament, is the only Lost Ground in the games that hasen't been "Marked" with a Tri-edge sign, which may prove the point that Ovan has never been to this place probably.....But then again, Ovan bascially knew every other place that was outside game enviorments, the room with the lockers, the creator's room, Outer Dungeons, so it's possible that Ovan already knew about the place, maybe before Phyllo even knew about it, which would explain why 7 of the 8 seals were still active, and the last eight seal was already done by Ovan

It is possible that since he and Aina found the Creator's Room first, and <Tri-Edge> didn't attack immediately at that point, that Ovan had also stumbled upon Careleon Medb and acquired the weapon before the infection. Also, there are no signs at Dark Morrigu Barrow, the Dark World of Indieglut Lugh, or (though the time it was open to AIDA was short) Ran Hati, so the Great Temple isn't unique.

I always assumed that Ovan told Phyllo about Careleon Medb as well. There aren't many other ways he could have known about it, considering no one else seems to know about it at all. Hell, it's never even brought up in the story ever again; it's just a sidequest area afterward. Why would such an apparently important area be tossed aside like that when Redemption began?

(I will admit that sometimes I think the hole in the sky beyond Ovan's altar is the result of a sign attack... you can't see it because it's way too far away, but the aftermath is in plain view. It may just be representative of the fact that Corbenik had been led astray, but however I look at it, I believe the background is like that for some Ovan-related reason)

But this raises even another thing. Every lost weapon, with the exception of Ovan's at the moment, was a different class weapon. Haseo-sycthe, Atoli-Staff, Kuhn-Bayonet, Yata-fans(So gay.), Sakubo-Grimore book, Endrance-Blade, Pi-Gloves, so could an Epitaph user have a same class weapon as another Epitaph user? Since both Kuhn and Ovan are classified as steam gunners?

Did Alkaid's death not make this abundantly clear? You don't pick the same classes as Haseo. Period, end of discussion. Besides, the Phases obviously enjoy variety, and hate Twin Blades and Edge Punishers since a team composed of their two predecessor classes was the death of them. Also, Piros picked Lord Partizan. Like hell if Morganna is going to be caught in her death sharing the same class as him.

On a serious note (ignoring that last paragraph), it's just where the writers wanted to go. There's no technical reason for it, what classes were chosen were those the writing staff felt the Phases preferred. For example, despite Haseo having Twin Blade, Edge Punisher, and Flick Reaper available, his Lost Weapon only takes the form most befitting of Skeith, while Skeith itself, having the mentality of Sora, doesn't mind the presence of Twin Blade and Edge Punisher classes because Sora likely would have chosen those classes himself (well, he did, but I mean if he could recall his time in The World R:1, the class selection wouldn't be any different). However,

This is a game mechanic so Haseo has a diversity of classes to choose from.

this isn't true either. Again, I refer you to the seven Blade Brandiers, the complete lack of Edge Punisher goodness in Haseo's teammates, and the Matsu screwjob that turns him into a piss-poor Steam Gunner.

AIDA gave him the ability to handle an Axe while holding his weapon.

I thought it was pretty obvious that it was a limb created by <Tri-Edge> to replace Ovan's left hand. The fact that it serves as a weapon is in the same vein as Tribal Grapplers and Twin Blades being able to use their feet for kicks (Ghost Falcon, et al incorporate a backflip kick). Yes, he holds it, but the thing is taped in place; unlike normal weapons, he can't let go of it, ever. It looks like the Spin Drake, but I assume this is part of the play on Haseo and Ovan being exact opposites, Ovan's light of rebirth casting the shadow of death that creates Haseo.

I believe Ovan had almost complete control over Tri-Edge MOST OF THE TIME. The few times it slipped out were just bad coincidences

I would sooner believe that even <Tri-Edge> needed rest. Not physically, obviously, but even with infinite energy, one could still be mentally drained to some extent. If it didn't, Ovan wouldn't have been able to seal off the constant flow of its wrath, let alone reason with it at all. It can obviously break free when it wants to, but chooses to put up with the seal for the majority of its life as part of their "friendship." It could also require time to plan as another explanation.

[AuraTwilight]

From the looks of the PC, they changed their minds on whether Ovan could fight using his sealed form during Rebirth's development, and the 8th Phase Bayonet text was probably written in case they wanted to put the weapon in the temple in volume 2 to give people false hope. They could have written it off as Ovan never bothering with the weapon himself to avoid strengthening <Tri-Edge> indirectly, possibly using it in place of the Demon Slice after Zelkova forced it on him. Then again, the text may simply be there in case someone important in development suddenly decided they had enough free time to make it happen and there were never any plans for such a weapon in the first place, hence why we only have the Coming Reincarnation name and not a single pic to go with it. They had enough time to get started on the Warning Chord (Sophora's Harvest Cleric staff) and the improved weapons for IYOTEN and Asta (hell, the latter two are complete enough that I'm surprised they weren't used, which is why I picked up IYOTEN's blade and gave it a name), so if they wanted Ovan to have a Lost Weapon at any point, it could have been easily arranged.

Fully aware, but thanks for clarifying.

There's also the fact that I've seen no such files implying Ovan would join. I would daresay that some characters can be hacked into the party because of a technical restriction whose purpose is to give certain characters access to sound.afs for Skill voice clips. I can't think of a completely unusable PC that can say its attack names, while OTOH, I can't envision scenarios in which Sirius or Taihaku would join without someone breaking character. It seems to be the most plausible explanation based on what I know.

I remember Developer's Intent demonstrating that Ovan was, at one point, a possible player character as a sort of end-game bonus like Shino and Tabby were. They obviously changed their minds.

I will say, however, that I like your idea of Coming Reincarnation not existing in the first place. I have some theories myself on the .hack story, but most of them really piss off the fanbase since they go against Aura's word and the Perfect Guidebook. :\

By all means, share, I'm interested. I don't mind being challenged on theories, so long as the idea isn't entirely retarded, and you seem pretty smart, so I don't think we have to worry.

Because it is: the Demon Slice is symbolic of Haseo's wish for Ovan's return, just as the Honeysuckles on Haseo's initial trip represented his desire to rescue Shino. Whether Harald would or even could have granted her release from AIDA's clutches, or was limited to just doing something to further that end like force Skeith to awaken, is a moot point considering Haseo had to go and piss the AI off.

Harald had nothing to do with Skeith's awakening, but otherwise I like the idea. How do the Honeysuckles relate to Shino? She had no connection to such a weapon.

But the lost weapons were the missing power the phases lost a long time ago, so Corebenik had to have lost some power, since it used rebirth three times and was about to be destroyed for good when Kite jumped for a final blow, so I don't think the phases nessesarily had to have been data drained to lose some of their power.

The Lost Weapons exist because not all of the data for them could be retrieved by the RA Team. The Data Drain is the reason why.

But this raises even another thing. Every lost weapon, with the exception of Ovan's at the moment, was a different class weapon. Haseo-sycthe, Atoli-Staff, Kuhn-Bayonet, Yata-fans(So gay.), Sakubo-Grimore book, Endrance-Blade, Pi-Gloves, so could an Epitaph user have a same class weapon as another Epitaph user? Since both Kuhn and Ovan are classified as steam gunners?

I don't see why not.

Don't get me started on my "Ovan's really an adept rouge" rant again. >_>:

You ever post that again and I will EAT YOUR TESTICLES.

I've wondered...what's with the axe-thingy and where did it come from exactly? And why does it look like some dual sword (Spin Drake i guess)? Did he get it from someplace? Tri-Edge gave it to him so he could be actually "Tri-Edge"? Or was it all just for teh lulz? Or what?

It's an AIDA manifestation just like his arm.

[Master ZED]

By all means, share, I'm interested. I don't mind being challenged on theories, so long as the idea isn't entirely retarded, and you seem pretty smart, so I don't think we have to worry.

Sure, but my theory on Cubia being Skeith's answer to the Rebirth program is off-topic here. I'll likely have to PM it to you since I doubt a Cubia origin topic is going to magically appear.

Harald had nothing to do with Skeith's awakening, but otherwise I like the idea. How do the Honeysuckles relate to Shino? She had no connection to such a weapon.

1. Well, that's not exactly what I said. That was just a thought on what he could do if he couldn't create the conditions necessary for Shino to awaken, like what he apparently did for Ovan (whether Aura had a hand in that, or if Ovan was actually coming back on his own and Harald merely reunited the two for Ovan to deliver the news personally, that I don't know). That doesn't mean he had nothing to do with Skeith's awakening however; the hacked 3rd form was really a curse designed to stall the Terror of Death's awakening as an Epitaph User, since now nothing could put enough of a scare into him to get the 1st Phase to awaken. Back in episode 6 for example, we see Skeith grumble in his sleep to get rid of a glitched light shower that endangered Tabby and Sakisaka, but nothing like that happens after the Painful Forest event. Ovan had to rid him of his statistical might when Yata's 100 PK idea failed, leading to the setup with the pursuer.

2. Shino was the first person to give Haseo Honeysuckle dual swords. Haseo remembered this when he won the Lit Honeysuckle from a boss on a field that Alkaid had brought him to. That's the only reason he knows what a Honeysuckle means (great devotion, to paraphrase it since I can't remember the first word of that). I don't believe Roots ever goes into this, and the subject is only brought up that one time in Reminisce, so its the hardest connection to make out of the three weapons we get to see at the Forest's end.

The color scheme is different from Shino's weapon, but I think that has to do with the elements of the blades (the Lit part of the name in Alkaid's comes from the Light Attack ability). I would guess Shino's may have had to do with the Fire element based on my recollection of the color scheme shown in Roots, but it's not like there's any statistical data on them, or if there is, I have no access to it.

[iuliathe3rd]

That's the only reason he knows what a Honeysuckle means (great devotion, to paraphrase it since I can't remember the first word of that).

According to the games, it means "devoted affection".

[Keyaki]

1. Well, that's not exactly what I said. That was just a thought on what he could do if he couldn't create the conditions necessary for Shino to awaken, like what he apparently did for Ovan (whether Aura had a hand in that, or if Ovan was actually coming back on his own and Harald merely reunited the two for Ovan to deliver the news personally, that I don't know). That doesn't mean he had nothing to do with Skeith's awakening however; the hacked 3rd form was really a curse designed to stall the Terror of Death's awakening as an Epitaph User, since now nothing could put enough of a scare into him to get the 1st Phase to awaken. Back in episode 6 for example, we see Skeith grumble in his sleep to get rid of a glitched light shower that endangered Tabby and Sakisaka, but nothing like that happens after the Painful Forest event. Ovan had to rid him of his statistical might when Yata's 100 PK idea failed, leading to the setup with the pursuer.

Okay im sorry but can sort-of run that by me again, in a shorter version because you totally lost me

The color scheme is different from Shino's weapon, but I think that has to do with the elements of the blades (the Lit part of the name in Alkaid's comes from the Light Attack ability). I would guess Shino's may have had to do with the Fire element based on my recollection of the color scheme shown in Roots, but it's not like there's any statistical data on them, or if there is, I have no access to it.

And since when did the color scheme deal with the elemental properties of the weapons in The World R:2 at all?