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tsukasa4692 wrote:wtf. that does sound kinda awesome. what would u do if u were data... hmm.. i think it would be like Reboot.
Im thinking more along the lines of the worlds greatest mmo that get played by you with the full range of motion lol then we have some sort of final fantasy mega fight and AT and I are the final bosses... I already have the 5'6'' sword for it 8)
AuraTwilight wrote:Omega Point is the idea that eventually, humans and whatever other sentient beings exist out there will use science to gain absolute mastery over the universe and create a utopia free of death, pain, suffering, and so forth as promised in many religions. One common theory is that this will be done by uploading everyone's minds into a virtual reality paradise.
Well, the outlook is probably different, with the La'Cryma hypothesis, people believe we wont be able to leave that world in order to reproduce, or fix it if anything goes wrong, not to mention we would eventually crash from not having enough storage space and not adding more as time goes on. However if we still kept out physical bodies that wouldn't be a problem, but that comes with the immortality trade-off. So you see the problem. Also I think that mastery over the universe could be a bad thing.

A problem I see with the Omega Point is that it follows religion, which has been one of the major things holding back scientific advances so far in our society. If you had to sum up how the Universe was made, with the 2 sided debate, there is a way to to explain both so that they work with each other.

The universe started as nothing theory is crap, that has to be thrown out the window, and if in the beginning there was nothing god wouldn't have existed to create everything, and a nothing cant explode to create a something. Lets use math and physics. The universe was just empty space, not a nothing, empty space, so its a 1 in a mathematical calculation. God can best be described as the essence of force, and all physics rely on force, so it should be considered a zero, because force takes no space, and has no substance or anti-substance. So in essence, force caused a tear in the fabric of space, causing matter to form.

So one divided by zero = everything.

The Omega Point has requirements that make it impossible to have exist.
* it must be already existing;
this is the only way to explain the rise of the universe towards higher stages of consciousness.

* it must be personal – an intellectual being and not an abstract idea;
the complexification of matter has not only led to higher forms of consciousness, but accordingly to more personalization, of which human-beings are the highest attained form of this 'personalization' of the universe. They are completely individualized, free centers of operation. It is in this way that man is said to be made in the image of God, who is the highest form of personality. He expressly states that in the Omega Point, when the universe is made One by unification, human persons will not be suppressed, but super-personalized. Personality will be infinitely enriched. This is because Omega Point unites creation, and the more it unites, the more the universe complexifies and rises in consciousness. Thus, as God creates the universe evolves towards higher forms of complexity, consciousness, and finally with humans, personality, because God, who is drawing the universe towards him, is a Person.

* it must be transcendent;
Omega Point can not be the result of the universe's final complexification of itself on consciousness. Omega Point, instead, must exist even before the universe's evolution, because Omega Point is responsible for the rise of the universe towards more complexity, consciousness and personality. Which essentially means, that Omega Point is outside the framework in which the universe rises, because it's by its magnetic pull that the universe evolves towards hIm.

* it must be autonomous – free from the limitations of space (nonlocality) and time (atemporality);

* it must be irreversible, that is it must be attainable.
Which basically says the Omega Point is a person, who already exists, that is not bound by space or time, exists on a higher plain, but is still obtainable? Im sorry, but that contradicts itself, because in order to reach is you must have already reached it, which is not possible.

The La'Cryma hypothesis has one requirement, that the evolution of life in the universe be caused by the evolution of technology, leading to the combination of all consciousness into one form, while still remaining separate. Like split personalities.

HOW DID THE QUESTION, "WHAT IF GOKU HAD A BEARD?" LEAD TO THE EXPLANATION OF THE CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE AND HOW TO ACHIEVE ENLIGHTENMENT????!!!!
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Whoa wtf. did everyone go to damn college? im only 15 (16 today woot) these are big words :shock:
but yea, if we kept our physical bodies, then that could kinda.. idk defeat the purpose of being data. i was thinking that was for immortality. but then again immortality would suck so bad. and as for The La'Cryma hypothesis, well that just sounds sorta like human instrumentality with computers involved. i love NGE :D
and i am now interested in The La'Cryma hypothesis. thanks alot
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Erranty wrote:HOW DID THE QUESTION, "WHAT IF GOKU HAD A BEARD?" LEAD TO THE EXPLANATION OF THE CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE AND HOW TO ACHIEVE ENLIGHTENMENT????!!!!
Exactly. Now get back to discussing Goku's hairy chin balls.
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Also I think that mastery over the universe could be a bad thing.
Tipler's Law: Any sentient race that has the capability to rule the universe must have the intellectual and emotional maturity to use it responsibly a priori.
A problem I see with the Omega Point is that it follows religion, which has been one of the major things holding back scientific advances so far in our society. If you had to sum up how the Universe was made, with the 2 sided debate, there is a way to to explain both so that they work with each other.

The universe started as nothing theory is crap, that has to be thrown out the window, and if in the beginning there was nothing god wouldn't have existed to create everything, and a nothing cant explode to create a something. Lets use math and physics. The universe was just empty space, not a nothing, empty space, so its a 1 in a mathematical calculation. God can best be described as the essence of force, and all physics rely on force, so it should be considered a zero, because force takes no space, and has no substance or anti-substance. So in essence, force caused a tear in the fabric of space, causing matter to form.

So one divided by zero = everything.
There's so many things wrong with what you said I don't even know where the hell to begin.
Which basically says the Omega Point is a person, who already exists, that is not bound by space or time, exists on a higher plain, but is still obtainable? Im sorry, but that contradicts itself, because in order to reach is you must have already reached it, which is not possible.
You're quoting only one version of how the Omega Point would have to work, sir.
The La'Cryma hypothesis has one requirement, that the evolution of life in the universe be caused by the evolution of technology, leading to the combination of all consciousness into one form, while still remaining separate. Like split personalities.
Technological Singularity.
HOW DID THE QUESTION, "WHAT IF GOKU HAD A BEARD?" LEAD TO THE EXPLANATION OF THE CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE AND HOW TO ACHIEVE ENLIGHTENMENT????!!!!
Because I created the universe and only through following me can anyone achieve Enlightenment, and I just so happened to post in this thread.
Whoa wtf. did everyone go to damn college? im only 15 (16 today woot) these are big words
I'm still in high school, don't worry.
but yea, if we kept our physical bodies, then that could kinda.. idk defeat the purpose of being data. i was thinking that was for immortality. but then again immortality would suck so bad. and as for The La'Cryma hypothesis, well that just sounds sorta like human instrumentality with computers involved. i love NGE
The Human Instrumentality Project from Evangelion is one form of achieving Omega Point, actually. Anno interpreted Omega Point as the coming together of all consciousness into a perfect being, but did not personally believe that it was desirable.
Exactly. Now get back to discussing my mom's hairy chin balls.
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So, if some one has balls on their chin, does that mean their life is just one big Teabagging?
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can we talk about that other stuff again?
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tsukasa4692 wrote:can we talk about that other stuff again?
I concur.
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AuraTwilight wrote:
tsukasa4692 wrote:can we talk about that other stuff again?
I concur.
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Aura = Seed AI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_AI

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AuraTwilight wrote:Aura = Seed AI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_AI

Discuss.
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so, it can repair itself and adapt to its sourroundings? i think i saw a movie or something like that.
hey, i just realized, AT is in almost every topic i post in. am i being cyber stalked O.O lol
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tsukasa4692 wrote:so, it can repair itself and adapt to its sourroundings? i think i saw a movie or something like that.
hey, i just realized, AT is in almost every topic i post in. am i being cyber stalked O.O lol
I'm just in every topic. Nothing about you.

Anyway, what a Seed AI can do is that it can understand it's own programming and change it. This is HUGE.

Alright, imagine you make the most powerful AI ever built by man. But then it figures out how to make itself better. It improves itself, and then it finds out more ways to improve itself even better and faster and does it, etcetera.

You have a continually growing, expanding AI with potentially unlimited growth, an AI that can become so hyperintelligent and powerful that it's knowledge and power would be limited only by the computational capacity of the entire UNIVERSE, a God made with science.
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holy **** thats kinda scary. but im not gonna lie to you, that does sound pretty f'n awesome. :lol:
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tsukasa4692 wrote:holy **** thats kinda scary. but im not gonna lie to you, that does sound pretty f'n awesome. :lol:
Well, a Seed AI, if ever created, will also be made sure to be a Friendly AI, an AI that is kind and agreeable to the human race with a desire to protect and coexist with us. An example would be Aura. She is both a Friendly AI and a Seed AI, quite literally the Ultimate AI. In the context of .hack, she was programmed with all human emotions and thoughts, in essence a normal person, but she merged with the whole internet and became, essentially, the smartest and most powerful being to ever exist on planet Earth.

But then she kind've halted her progress by leaving in GU, in order to give humans the chance to decide their own fate instead of a "God" looming over them. :P
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AuraTwilight wrote:
tsukasa4692 wrote:so, it can repair itself and adapt to its sourroundings? i think i saw a movie or something like that.
hey, i just realized, AT is in almost every topic i post in. am i being cyber stalked O.O lol
I'm just in every topic. Nothing about you.

Anyway, what a Seed AI can do is that it can understand it's own programming and change it. This is HUGE.

Alright, imagine you make the most powerful AI ever built by man. But then it figures out how to make itself better. It improves itself, and then it finds out more ways to improve itself even better and faster and does it, etcetera.

You have a continually growing, expanding AI with potentially unlimited growth, an AI that can become so hyperintelligent and powerful that it's knowledge and power would be limited only by the computational capacity of the entire UNIVERSE, a God made with science.
Then the CPU overheats and the computer shorts out destroying all of its data and crashes the internet.
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tsukasa4692 wrote:holy **** thats kinda scary. but im not gonna lie to you, that does sound pretty f'n awesome. :lol:
Well, a Seed AI, if ever created, will also be made sure to be a Friendly AI, an AI that is kind and agreeable to the human race with a desire to protect and coexist with us. An example would be Aura. She is both a Friendly AI and a Seed AI, quite literally the Ultimate AI. In the context of .hack, she was programmed with all human emotions and thoughts, in essence a normal person, but she merged with the whole internet and became, essentially, the smartest and most powerful being to ever exist on planet Earth.

But then she kind've halted her progress by leaving in GU, in order to give humans the chance to decide their own fate instead of a "God" looming over them. :P
Heh, a God that cant mess with Amish people lol
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A truly advanced AI on the level I'm talking about, though, will be doing computations on the atoms of the universe, in that the UNIVERSE will be it's server, not a CPU. Then it could totally screw with Amish people.

Such an advanced AI would be able to convert the entire universe into an infinitely big pile of metal paperclips, if it felt like it.
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ok that really is super f'n awesome. they should make one, AND it SHOULD screw with the amish people. for fun. XD
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seed ai seems like a mad scientist thing but looks like fun so why not
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AuraTwilight wrote:A truly advanced AI on the level I'm talking about, though, will be doing computations on the atoms of the universe, in that the UNIVERSE will be it's server, not a CPU. Then it could totally screw with Amish people.

Such an advanced AI would be able to convert the entire universe into an infinitely big pile of metal paperclips, if it felt like it.
If the human race cant even understand how the universe works, what makes you think that something designed by humans can?
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ok that really is super f'n awesome. they should make one, AND it SHOULD screw with the amish people. for fun. XD
It's the current goal of Singularitans to make this a reality.
seed ai seems like a mad scientist thing but looks like fun so why not
More like a technological philantropist thing.
If the human race cant even understand how the universe works, what makes you think that something designed by humans can?
Because it won't have the same limits as a human would, obviously. Theoretically, an AI is limited only by it's hardware and programming. A Seed AI can alter it's programming for infinite improvement, and could eventually seize the entire universe as a computational device, ala Digital Physics. ANYthing can be used as a computational device like we do with modern day silicon. On the future, you might be able to calculate the economic status of the entire planet on the atoms of a glass of water.
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