Favorite overlooked games.

[Lukar82394]

1) Golden Sun
2) .hack
3) Spectrobes
4) Okami
5) Neopets (I dare you to laugh. *Evil glare*)

[Arukado]

1) Golden Sun
2) .hack
3) Spectrobes
4) Okami
5) Neopets (I dare you to laugh. *Evil glare*)

lolwut? Okami? Yeah...Last time I checked, that was really popular.
So is Neopets. That place has over a million users. Overlooked? I think not.

[marthwmaster]

S.O.S. - I'll bet you've never heard of this one.

Best shipwreck game ever made (and to my knowledge, pretty much the ONLY shipwreck game ever made). An obscure game for the SNES. It's a unique brand of survival horror: you have one hour to escape a doomed luxury vessel, and you get a better ending if you save lots of other people instead of looking after your own skin. The game has a marvelous track, and the opening theme can be heard here.
It's the only game that has ever made me scream in sheer terror, mostly because the sound effects are so creepy for its time. The walls of the ship moan and creak with stress as the Lady Crithania descends further into the abyss. Each time a wave overtakes the vessel, the playing field rotates X degrees to the left or right, in ways that although entirely random, seem as though they're designed to make your trek to the bottom of the boat (where a gaping hole serves as your only exit to safety) as difficult as possible.

[PureeyaaKira]

Okami did not have poor graphics it was I guess blurry looking but nothing compared to the game"Final Fantasy 7" haha.I mean that game was awesome and all but the poor graphic designs and then.What i've noticed throughout the games i've played why would they have crappy graphics but then in the good cut scenes or movies its always realistic looking? xD

[marthwmaster]

Okami did not have poor graphics it was I guess blurry looking but nothing compared to the game"Final Fantasy 7" haha.I mean that game was awesome and all but the poor graphic designs and then.What i've noticed throughout the games i've played why would they have crappy graphics but then in the good cut scenes or movies its always realistic looking? xD

Having no advanced programming knowledge to speak of, I would hypothesize it's because the cutscenes and movies are premade, and they do not depend on the player's actions, except in those few ones where you can still move your little guy as the movie begins. But that's just a guess, I don't know if that's the real reason or whatever.

[Akuta]

Okami did not have poor graphics it was I guess blurry looking but nothing compared to the game"Final Fantasy 7" haha.I mean that game was awesome and all but the poor graphic designs and then.What i've noticed throughout the games i've played why would they have crappy graphics but then in the good cut scenes or movies its always realistic looking? xD

Having no advanced programming knowledge to speak of, I would hypothesize it's because the cutscenes and movies are premade, and they do not depend on the player's actions, except in those few ones where you can still move your little guy as the movie begins. But that's just a guess, I don't know if that's the real reason or whatever.

Well, it tends to go like this:


When actually playing, graphics are lowered to not cause slowdowns.

When scenes are shown in the normal game engine (that's a cutscene), they usually keep the same graphics level, but some games (such as .hack IMOQ and I believe to some extent GU) increase the graphics details notably during these since slowdowns in the gameplay aren't really an issue.

Then there's, just like Final Fantasy 7 often employed pre-rendered CG-movies, where they've basically made an animated movie and just play it like any movie player. That's what FF7 did when the graphics suddenly jumped up to the characters having bodies that actually looked human :D (except for during fights that is)

[Wan]

id have to say it would be mystical ninja starring Goemon for the 64. It was like a childish anime for the console and it was, at least to me, an oriental take on mario 64. It had some great comedy and well...giant robo battles always win imho. Great game and needs a remake/sequel.

[PureeyaaKira]

Okami did not have poor graphics it was I guess blurry looking but nothing compared to the game"Final Fantasy 7" haha.I mean that game was awesome and all but the poor graphic designs and then.What i've noticed throughout the games i've played why would they have crappy graphics but then in the good cut scenes or movies its always realistic looking? xD

Having no advanced programming knowledge to speak of, I would hypothesize it's because the cutscenes and movies are premade, and they do not depend on the player's actions, except in those few ones where you can still move your little guy as the movie begins. But that's just a guess, I don't know if that's the real reason or whatever.

You know for a moderator you sure are rude in that first part in quote"Having no advanced programming knowledge to speak of"unless you were talking about yourself then I feel like a total donkey.

[Arukado]

That was kind of like people with .hack//G.U. Reviewers don't like it because it's not exactly like Final Fantasy, or some other ridiculously popular game, they say it sucks, and then no one likes it.
Which is why I prefer PLAY, because they rate fairly.
(oops, went off-topic.)

I rarely post here anymore, but I had to respond to this. Your above statement is not even kind of true -- not even .00001% true. It's funny that you think Play, out of all magazines from which to choose, rates games "fairly." If by "fairly" you mean overly high, then yes, Play inflates its scores more than any other gaming magazine. For an example, see here, and compare their average scoring ratios with other sites'. For every below average review Play writes, they write more than two above average (positive) ones. It's almost the opposite for more credible sources in the gaming journalism field; Play has been known to wildly inflate their review scores. Hell, they can't even seem to write coherent, grammatical sentences.

Your logic that the reason someone doesn't enjoy //G.U. is because it's not exactly like Final Fantasy or another popular title is pretty laughable. Do people even think about why they're typing before they click submit? I swear.

LOL DAMN. Was any of that even necessary? Holy smokes. The tone was a little harsh. Not too much, but still just a little. Jeezus.

Anyway, everything I said there was 100% MY oppinion. So I see no reason to prove it wrong...except maybe informing me about PLAY. I just tend to favour them because they have better magazine covers than anyone else.(I can totally imagine the respond to this, so don't bother. I collect magazines. There's my reason.)

Also, I meant that people tend to rate games on the basis of RPGs like FF or KH(or any other good RPG). I've seen a couple of people who will say they don't like a game because it's too different, so that's how I came to that conclusion. I've seen it happen, so it's obviously possible. Dumb, yeah, but I guess someone has.

[Akuta]

Okami did not have poor graphics it was I guess blurry looking but nothing compared to the game"Final Fantasy 7" haha.I mean that game was awesome and all but the poor graphic designs and then.What i've noticed throughout the games i've played why would they have crappy graphics but then in the good cut scenes or movies its always realistic looking? xD

Having no advanced programming knowledge to speak of, I would hypothesize it's because the cutscenes and movies are premade, and they do not depend on the player's actions, except in those few ones where you can still move your little guy as the movie begins. But that's just a guess, I don't know if that's the real reason or whatever.

You know for a moderator you sure are rude in that first part in quote"Having no advanced programming knowledge to speak of"unless you were talking about yourself then I feel like a total donkey.

You should take what people say exactly as they say it.
"Having no advanced programming knowledge to speak of, I would hypothesize it's ........." is what he said. There was nothing pointing at you and in the same sentence (Remember that sentences aren't ended by commas ;D) there was an "I" right after the first statement, so it's only obvious that he's pointing at himself :)

No worries, our mods aren't asses in that way (with an exception for a certain other mod ;D)

I hope I answered our question about the graphics-thing though :)


Also, Marth, I checked out SOS. I'm almost ashamed myself for missing such a gem :D

[Maromi]

Anyway, everything I said there was 100% MY oppinion. So I see no reason to prove it wrong...except maybe informing me about PLAY.

Well, most people retreat behind the whole "opinion" excuse, but not all opinions are correct. If you can point to more than 50% of //G.U.'s reviews that even bring up Final Fantasy in the text, I'll admit that your opinion is valid, but good luck.

Here's what you said: "That was kind of like people with .hack//G.U. Reviewers don't like it because it's not exactly like Final Fantasy, or some other ridiculously popular game, they say it sucks, and then no one likes it." It's just a really unnecessary generalization. Because this is a .hack forum, people are more likely to boast about how amazing .hack is, which might not be the case with someone else. The games aren't for everyone; I can understand why people dislike them. By saying what you said, you're pretty much discrediting anyone else's opinions, while claiming an opinion as your own defense. I guess you think I sounded harsh; but, I mean, I think you sounded pretty ignorant with that comment.

And, you know, this is the major problem I have with this place and why I hardly visit anymore: people here love to run their mouths, spitting out personal bias and opinion, but they can never back them up with facts; they can only back them up with, "well, it's my opinion, blah blah blah." However, when I respond to stuff like this, I'm called an asshole or seen as "being too harsh," yet I'm just challenging claims. If you think your opinion right, back it up with something and give me a counter-argument; don't just insult me, because you know you were just babbling nonsense and have no valid defense, and claim that "it's my opinion, so it's not right or wrong." That's just a lame, overused excuse. I get insulted for simply being blunt and pointing out, what I feel to be, offensive/silly/ignorant things to say, which, in turn, usually alienate or offend people. There's more to everything than just what's in your heads. This isn't targeted at a specific person, but I suggest doing your homework, before running your mouth. In my 2+ years here, I've read so many broad claims and breezy generalizations, and it just gets tiring. People are so quick to judge others as assholes or douchebags, but can't ever seem to take responsibility for their comments and back them up with facts.

Arukado, please don't misunderstand me. I wasn't being harsh; I was just being blunt. It's just how I am. By all means, prove your point with some proof, and I'll agree with you. Otherwise, you're discrediting the integrity of all game journalists from information you pulled from your own head and not from any documented sources or reviews, and I don't think that's right. I'm sorry, but it's just unfair to say people, or journalists, dislike .hack, simply because it's not like Final Fantasy or [x] popular game.

/rant

[Arukado]

Maromi: The more I read your replys, the more I can't help but to say they're right. I don't mean to just back up things with "MY OPINION NO UR RONG STUPID SHUTUP", but I guess I hate being proven wrong(which is normal, I guess.).
I don't want to turn this into a flame war or anything...not that I intended to, and it hasn't (thankfully) but I just wanted to say that as in hopes to settle things.
Also, I know it's wrong to say things like that about FF, but sometimes I do post without thinking of anyone else..then I'll look back and say, "gosh, that was stupid." but a lot of times I can't seem to help it. </dumb kid>
Anyway, Sorry about all this. I didn't mean to start an argument on this thread ^^;

Back on topic

Now that I think of it, Castlevania seems to be pretty unpopular, though I don't know why.

about that. i agree. but also i think alot of castlevania fans are unfair about the series. Lament of innocence and curse of darkness were both good games in there own right. they had all the castlevania similaritys: boss rush, two difficultys, two caracters, and famillier settings. and yet alot of castlevania reveiwers claim that only the 2-d games are good while the 3-d are dissapointing.

Yeah..people tend to say how great the 3-D games were, but in all hoesty, They weren't that great. I think I like the classic side-scrollers a lot better, no matter how more real the 3-D versions can be.

[What the...???]

Yeah..people tend to say how great the 3-D games were, but in all hoesty, They weren't that great. I think I like the classic side-scrollers a lot better, no matter how more real the 3-D versions can be.

i don't care about the realness. in all honestry the 3-d castlevania's weren't that realistic. i just liked how they did well in designing bosses, music, and overall world while keeping the castlevania theme. alot of modern games don't keep oldschool design. most try to be realistic, and when that happens we get crap like God of War and it's mini-games from Hell.

[Arukado]

Yeah..people tend to say how great the 3-D games were, but in all hoesty, They weren't that great. I think I like the classic side-scrollers a lot better, no matter how more real the 3-D versions can be.

i don't care about the realness. in all honestry the 3-d castlevania's weren't that realistic. i just liked how they did well in designing bosses, music, and overall world while keeping the castlevania theme. alot of modern games don't keep oldschool design. most try to be realistic, and when that happens we get crap like God of War and it's mini-games from Hell.

Well, I meant as real as it could be..in the way that you can actually see them..or something. I know what I mean. The games were ok, but I just hope they don't do it again.
Anyway, It'd probably be best if they made one more game, and maybe just quit after that. I love CV, but i can't help but to admit that it'll soon get old after awhile.
I seem to be getting off topic again. Sorry :C

[Cless]

Rogue Galaxy. The game is fun though I'm not really familiar with Levels 5 battle engine or other ideals.
The story is so-so but I like it.

[Steppa]

Crackdown is a pretty fun game. I only bought it for the halo 3 beta, but I played it when the beta went down and it was decent. Getting your driving skill up is hard and annoying though >.>

[What the...???]

add, gardian of paradise to my list.

[Ganheim]

Chrono Cross - why it is that so many people disliked it, I have no idea. A sequel to one of the most popular games of all time (Chrono Trigger, which I still play on an emulator), and I think that it's good all on its own. The fact that it offers both nostalgia (I left it on for hours just to listen to the music) while at the same time providing a gameplay experience all its own just made it that much better. I'm just annoyed that it won't save to a PS2 memory card, so I can still play it but can't save or load. Grr.

Altelier Iris seemed to be skipped over, though I had a lot of fun with it. Zone of the Enders suffered mostly from being short, that and the creators seeming to think that fighting Neith a dozen times in a row was fun, but it's not. I hate Neith.

As for S.O.S. ... must look for that one.

[S1lentOp]

I think Otogi and Otogi 2 were really underrated. Sure, they weren't the greatest hack-n-slash games ever made, but the visuals were stunning and the gameplay was fun. Plus, who doesn't like slaying ancient Japanese-style demons of

[What the...???]

Chrono Cross - why it is that so many people disliked it, I have no idea. A sequel to one of the most popular games of all time (Chrono Trigger, which I still play on an emulator), and I think that it's good all on its own. The fact that it offers both nostalgia (I left it on for hours just to listen to the music) while at the same time providing a gameplay experience all its own just made it that much better. I'm just annoyed that it won't save to a PS2 memory card, so I can still play it but can't save or load. Grr.

Altelier Iris seemed to be skipped over, though I had a lot of fun with it. Zone of the Enders suffered mostly from being short, that and the creators seeming to think that fighting Neith a dozen times in a row was fun, but it's not. I hate Neith.

As for S.O.S. ... must look for that one.

crono cross and atelier iris were both very over looked games in my opinion too. crono cross had an AMAZING story that intertwined INCREDIBALY with chrono cross. and atelier iris had the greates boss music of all time.