The death of classic anime

[BadRPiggy]

Naruto is one of the ones that actually has depth,although it still shows the whole "My motive is killing" thing,which is way to common.

Actually AC only Sasuke has that whole motive thing going on. Naruto has the other cliched motive. "I'm going to save this guy so this chick that I like can be happy......hey where do I fit into the hapiness?"

[Vahn Staffear]

Newer animes interest me,sure,but it's not the characters anymore,it's the looks.That's what bothers me.
Gundam SEED,actually,got on my bad side with that,although I still watch it.
Every girl in it has great bodies,and large breasts,and explotions and flashy colours are everywhere.
Every character is beautiful,and fan-servicey to some point,and they include as many almost-naked-girl characters as possible.
In my opinion,at her age Lacus should not look like she did.
Although Lacus won me over with the now-so-rare "singing girl" attribute that was lost in the transfer form old to new,which I absolutly love to see.

Well I agree 50% with you on this one xD

Disagree
Characters make up half of the anime and the story the other. If we had ugly characters then the story has to make up for everything else in case Naruto, good characters, sad storyline.

Agree
Lacus pisses me off one because if you rearrange the letter in her name you can make "Lucas" thats my last name and I don't like it when lame characters can pell out my name. Anyhow she looks like a kid and yet she has the best body in the whole show, I start to think she's pedo bait when I look at her :\

And on the subject of female characters,almost every anime has either A)a girl with huge breasts,B)A girl with a great body,C)A girl with skimpy clothing or D)All of the above.
In toher words,a fan character.
And notice how male character outfits usually get tighter arounf the abs,to define the chest and stomach more?
Yeah...exactly.
Point is,things are becoming sexy.While this is good to the eyes,it usually takes huge lumps off of character development and storyline,when the combined total of all the bath scenes in an anime amount to an episode to each 10 or so.
Not that i'm complaining,as a guy,but I am complaining as an anime and story lover.

BULL!...err...Let me be kinder on this subject. It depends on how you look at it, because fan-service HAS to be used in most of todays anime or else you get ugly girls like Sakura from Naruto or Rukia from Bleach both whom are not liked because of their uselessness, uglyness(Sakura), LAME battle skills, and their sad body shape. Kishimoto and both Tite Kubo's animes don't suffer because of this due to the fact that they have a wide ammount of characters. You can counter the whole big bewbs thing but making either the character not important to the plot or make them a generic character xD

Note: Who wants to look at 'ugly girls' since the hentai, and ecchi anime style art is popular at the moment :\ and sorry for the long post.

[BadRPiggy]

Well even .hack can be accused of some fanservice. *cough* Ouka (a little she did something to do with the story) *cough* but mostly *cough* Tabby *cough*

[Shmittles The Poe]

I think the old style and the new style of anime each have their place. I enjoy some new ones and dislike others. I recently watched Escaflone, loved it. But I also recently watched some other old one, and really didn't care for it. BadRPiggy, you know which one I'm talking about.

[AuraTwilight]

If you guys can't find epicness, character depth, emotion, etc., then you're all watching the WRONG modern anime. I can name like four off the top of my head: Gift ~Eternal Rainbow~, Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu (You gotta keep a keen eye, though), Digimon Tamers, and .hack//Sign. Or if you don't wanna count .hack, then the Silent Hill anime that will be coming out. If that doesn't have depth, we're SCREWED.

[Ryou_Misaki]

Well, obviously.....Just like he world has no more morals, new anime doesn't either.

[Azure crow]

Newer animes interest me,sure,but it's not the characters anymore,it's the looks.That's what bothers me.
Gundam SEED,actually,got on my bad side with that,although I still watch it.
Every girl in it has great bodies,and large breasts,and explotions and flashy colours are everywhere.
Every character is beautiful,and fan-servicey to some point,and they include as many almost-naked-girl characters as possible.
In my opinion,at her age Lacus should not look like she did.
Although Lacus won me over with the now-so-rare "singing girl" attribute that was lost in the transfer form old to new,which I absolutly love to see.

Well I agree 50% with you on this one xD

Disagree
Characters make up half of the anime and the story the other. If we had ugly characters then the story has to make up for everything else in case Naruto, good characters, sad storyline.

Agree
Lacus pisses me off one because if you rearrange the letter in her name you can make "Lucas" thats my last name and I don't like it when lame characters can pell out my name. Anyhow she looks like a kid and yet she has the best body in the whole show, I start to think she's pedo bait when I look at her :\

And on the subject of female characters,almost every anime has either A)a girl with huge breasts,B)A girl with a great body,C)A girl with skimpy clothing or D)All of the above.
In toher words,a fan character.
And notice how male character outfits usually get tighter arounf the abs,to define the chest and stomach more?
Yeah...exactly.
Point is,things are becoming sexy.While this is good to the eyes,it usually takes huge lumps off of character development and storyline,when the combined total of all the bath scenes in an anime amount to an episode to each 10 or so.
Not that i'm complaining,as a guy,but I am complaining as an anime and story lover.

BULL!...err...Let me be kinder on this subject. It depends on how you look at it, because fan-service HAS to be used in most of todays anime or else you get ugly girls like Sakura from Naruto or Rukia from Bleach both whom are not liked because of their uselessness, uglyness(Sakura), LAME battle skills, and their sad body shape. Kishimoto and both Tite Kubo's animes don't suffer because of this due to the fact that they have a wide ammount of characters. You can counter the whole big bewbs thing but making either the character not important to the plot or make them a generic character xD

Note: Who wants to look at 'ugly girls' since the hentai, and ecchi anime style art is popular at the moment :\ and sorry for the long post.

this is what I mean.
characters reactions to each other used to be more important to the storyline,and I don't mean relationships and sexual attractions.
It didn;t use to be that the two best looking characters ended up together,and people didn't have to turn on the screen and see good looking characters to be amused by the show.
And the way you said that also proves that people are defining characters as "ugly" when they are,in fact,simply normal.
You could guess a characters age before,but now they always end up looking 18 from the age of 15 or so.
People look at the characters,and look at the desgn before the personality,and only if they accept the design do they accept the personality.
Plus,characters with specific personalities have to look certain ways now.For example,you can't switch the way Naruto and Sasuke look with each other,or you'd lose fans fast.

And yes,I agree that characters make up 50 %,and story 50%,but the characters suffer,then the story they are in also suffers dramatcally.
If everyone was as acted like Sonic the Hedghog,constantly,then nomatter how good the story was the anime would suffer.
And if people arn't interested in the characters,then they turn away from the stories.

[Cless]

Unfornately, I think anime has died after 2002. Alot of good animes are now only on the anime channel or posted on Veoh.com. However a couple of good/decent animes like DeathNote or Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne can be watched... Ironic as it sounds some of them are holding their own like Naruto so all is not lost though I hate to imagine the filler episodes for Naruto *shutters*

[Vahn Staffear]

this is what I mean.
characters reactions to each other used to be more important to the storyline,and I don't mean relationships and sexual attractions.
It didn't use to be that the two best looking characters ended up together,and people didn't have to turn on the screen and see good looking characters to be amused by the show.
And the way you said that also proves that people are defining characters as "ugly" when they are,in fact,simply normal.
You could guess a characters age before,but now they always end up looking 18 from the age of 15 or so.
People look at the characters,and look at the desgn before the personality,and only if they accept the design do they accept the personality.
Plus,characters with specific personalities have to look certain ways now.For example,you can't switch the way Naruto and Sasuke look with each other,or you'd lose fans fast.

And yes,I agree that characters make up 50 %,and story 50%,but the characters suffer,then the story they are in also suffers dramatcally.
If everyone was as acted like Sonic the Hedghog,constantly,then nomatter how good the story was the anime would suffer.
And if people arn't interested in the characters,then they turn away from the stories.

FUKKIN AGREED! Well that's pretty much everything in a nut shell. People like anime now based on character figure which is very sad because then you get crap like most modern day anime D:

Also about the "ugly thing" some new girl from Naruto named Karin just came in and she's perfect! Soft and slender body style BUT people don't like her just because she's somewhat useless and she has Sasuke Fetish and because her hair colour is red instead of black but she's perfectly fine :\

[SnowManZero]

I wanted to know what opinion you have on the changes. Love is still a prominent theme, but it often takes a backseat to the action and violence it seems fans want nowadays.

You say that as though it's a bad thing.

Granted that classic anime has almost gone the way of the dodo, but there will undoubtidly be still some sotries out there which are awsome.

Of course, animation style and storyline's also have to advance along with technology, so there's not much you can do, unless you start your own anime series.

[Edo-ChanObsessedFangirl]

well, i was thinking about it. . and not to contradict, but some of the older animes (albiet most of them were movies more than actual shows) could be pretty gruesome. One of the first anime's that i attempted to watch was something with "the last vampire" in the title, and it was bloody as hell. . .i dont like blood and gore much, so needless to say i didnt watch too much of that. Akira was the same, i watched like, 30 minutes of it. . .but then again, maybe i just dont have the stomach to watch stuff like that, animated or not, regardless of storyline. . . then, to totally contradict myself, i watched cowboy bebop and adore it, maybe anything worse than Cowboy Bebop or a few others i cant think of at the moment are the limit to that kind of thing i can handle. and i also think that if the newer animes arent centered on bloodshed, they are centered on girls or porn (cough, chobits). . or i could just be spouting off random nonsense.

[SnowManZero]

I love to point out something so here i go:

In the time when those 2 were created, it was around the same time robocop came out, which as a kid i remember watching. Now, i went back and watched it again and the first movie has the guy who becomes robocop shot to piece's in a violent half-execution style, half sadistic by the cruel bastard who orderd his men to shoot him into piece's. his hand was obliterated, yet kids watched it.

What does this mean? That back then violence was a lot more acceptable.

Not only that, but they also weren't going for kid friendly. they were going for anything but kid friendly, and still are. Thankfully, that aspect of anime hasn't changed all that much(granted that the violence has been reduced a portion, but nothing which can compare to a 4kids dubb)

[Irishhack]

If you want a love story, check this one out.

aori aoshi.

[Onikasu]

My 2 bits on all of this.

There are not a whole lot of A+ Expert anime's being made now a days, but there are a few gems here and there. The thing that turns me off in a anime is repetetiveniss. Examples being Bleach, Naruto, YuYu Hakusho, DBZ and Inuyasha*both series needs to die, seriously 150+ episodes is way too much. dont like it? Bite me.*
They are all the same thing somedays. One day we find a new *insert anime starter here, shinigami,fighter,ninja,demon* and then a magical adventure starts. They gonna get powned by a boss so what do they do? power level like insano. kill everbody and go home, or more crap happens into nother 50+ episodes.
Then there are the animes which are based soley off of a characters looks *Tenchi Muyo and Ikki Tousen anybody?*

Good anime's are the ones that have a very active storyline as well as developing character through the storyline. not through some filler episode or w/e crap. Some of the best animes IMO are

Elfen Lied * this one is guilty of "body-ish" but not really "insanely out-of-proportionish" anyone agree? and the gore was a bit excessive.
.Hack//SIGN
Death Note
Higurashi No Naku Koro ni ~ 1st
Higurashi No Naku Koro ni Kai~ 2cnd
Full Metal Alchemist
Wolfs Rain
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Outlaw Star
Cowboy Bebop
Haibane Renmei *this one kind of suprised me a bit*

Notice these anime's are very story/ character development driven and are not based on the characters boob size or how many hollows/spirits/ninja/guys with ak-47's they can kill. Elfen Lied being in question possibly??
My reasons for OS and CB is, OS is you always wanted to know what the hell was gonna happen next, and CB = that and you wanted to know what went down with Spike/Jet.

.Hack//SIGN = 2002
Deathnote and Higurahsi = 2005-2007 I think? * I know they got killling and crap but IMO I always wanted to know whats gonna happen next?*
FMA= 2005-ish I think thats when it started.
NGE= IDK
Wolfs Rain being 2004

In the end I would not say classic anime's are dying they are just getting increasingly harder to find with all the other crap out there today. Especially seeing as some of these anime's have tough competition with heavily sponsored crap like Bleach and Naruto. I'm also pretty sure that corporates know by now sex= $$$ so what will they do? Release a good story anime or release on big out of proportioned bodys/ mediocre story having 124000 DPI of blood and gore? .Hack//SIGN was one of the few anime's that did not need excessive blood or nudity/out of proportion-ness to be good. Thats why it is still one of the best anime's even 5 years after it has been aired/been taken off air.

The Higurashi series does have alot of killing but even with that there is alot of character developement. With Death Note the most violence you see is in episode one and a few heart attacks with exception of the last episode where it goes kinda crazy.

[Klister]

With time there comes changes.

From what I have read of your posts, I agree that around the time FFVI was released anime changed as well. When it comes to the animations, with the small noses and the big eyes, are techniques animators use to make it easy to animate. Not to mention how studios began to mass-produce animes, since the market had discovered how popular it had become. So, from quality it went to quantity.

But hopefully, that will as well change- now that animators has protested against the government about their low salaries and hard-working hours- and their lack of social securities. Anime will form now on become quality again.

[DotHack-Haseo]

See, the styles that are really noticeable, I found were in these animes:

Outlaw Star
Robotech
Macross
Z.O.E.

compared to these:

Fullmetal Alchemist
Elemental Gelade
Godannar
Black Cat

However, I am a fan of:

The Original Dirty Pair
&
El Hazard

But, if you compare the El Hazard Animation style to the styles from the newer anime's, you will notice the difference that El Hazard has...it looks old, but, still has almost the same look as the newer anime's.

One Example by Comparison:

El Hazard and Naruto: The use of Water colors and brush paints as well as pastels make a lot of appearences in both of these. As well as the animation styles of the fight scenes in Both. You should compare these 2 if you find time.

One of the newer style anime's that I like is:

Noein: To Your Other Self: I thought this style was really unique. Although, I think that they overdid it at some parts.

However, this is just my take on the subject.

[Kaoshima]

I was exceedingly sad when I found out that almost none of the freshman in my school's anime club have seen Cowboy Bebop. If only we could show it... but no... it has too many "mature themes" and whatnot... *sigh* So here we are watching the Hamtaro Christmas Special this week...