Aura

[Azure_Balmung]

when i was on youtube looking for GU videos i came across one for vol.3 Haseo was in his Xth form in a white room talking to Ovan then his dissapered like seperating into little balls of light, then Aura appered in front of him but she looked a little different like she was older and had longer hair?

[~red~]

(my bad) it may have been a different AI, and are you sure its Aura?

[Azure_Balmung]

heres the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd2lyUl2 ... ed&search=

[AuraTwilight]

Yes, it's Aura. It's pretty old news that she appears in the ending. In a way she appears earlier than that,  possessing Ina's PC.

[Azure_Balmung]

oh ok

[silabus]

well Aura isnt to important in GU.....

[AuraTwilight]

Are you KIDDING?! The entire story revolves around her absence.

[Jimbob]

Are you KIDDING?! The entire story revolves around her absence.

Not really. The backstory does. However most of the main characters are barely aware of her existance until very late in the story. Granted the fact that she isn't there allowed the story to begin, but she isn't the focus of it (the heros aren't going "We must find Aura, the World depends on it" or anything like that) She's just a plot device again basically.

[Kyero Fox]

Are you KIDDING?! The entire story revolves around her absence.

Not really. The backstory does. However most of the main characters are barely aware of her existance until very late in the story. Granted the fact that she isn't there allowed the story to begin, but she isn't the focus of it (the heros aren't going "We must find Aura, the World depends on it" or anything like that) She's just a plot device again basically.

you are about to get chewed out by a Crazyed .hack fan bud..

[Annwyn]

Both AT and Jimbob have good points. If Aura didn't "disappear," GU never would have happened, so without her, the story doesn't exist. At the same time, the main character is only vaguely aware of her existence ("There used to be a statue of a girl here...") and doesn't really know what purpose she served.

Then in the last volume, it's like "OHSHIT, so that's what you are!"

I think.

I'm trying not to spoil the last two volumes, so bear with me if I'm wrong.

[destai]

Are you KIDDING?! The entire story revolves around her absence.

Not really. The backstory does. However most of the main characters are barely aware of her existance until very late in the story. Granted the fact that she isn't there allowed the story to begin, but she isn't the focus of it (the heros aren't going "We must find Aura, the World depends on it" or anything like that) She's just a plot device again basically.

They don't need to be aware of her. Pretty much all of there actions and the mysteries and problems in the world were caused because she dissapeared and the actions taken to bring her back.

[Azure crow]

Not true.
AIDA would have formed wether or not she had been awake,regardless of what people did,and the epitaphs would have found users without her.
The reason she is important,however,is that she would not interfere with anything apart from sending the Knights,so her absence allowed the problem to intensify.

[Jimbob]

Actually if she never left the RA plan wouldn't have happened which means R:1 would still exist, the avatars wouldn't exist (they would still be scattered data) and the players could possibly have been all different (as the version change caused people to quit because they didn't want to start all over again, and new people to get the chance to join up without being left behind)

AIDA might have formed anyway but Aura could easily wipe it out if she chose to.

[Azure crow]

Actually if she never left the RA plan wouldn't have happened which means R:1 would still exist, the avatars wouldn't exist (they would still be scattered data) and the players could possibly have been all different (as the version change caused people to quit because they didn't want to start all over again, and new people to get the chance to join up without being left behind)

AIDA might have formed anyway but Aura could easily wipe it out if she chose to.

The avatars would have eventually found the users,no matter what.
Remember,they don't choose a spacific person,they can change people,like Innis did(although Skeith was persistant).
And I can't remember the R.A. plan being responsible for the fire.
It rings a bell,but it's not clear.

And what you said about Aura went along with what I said.
Aura took it upon herself not to assist humanity like that,to make them rely on themselves.
So she refused to act against AIDA.

[Jimbob]

The Avatars didn't exist until the RA plan took the scattered phase data and turned them into Avatars. They didn't have a form back then, otherwise they would have attached to people long ago. They were still the destroyed phases. After they got back into the sea of data in Avatar form they could attach to people, but before that they were formless and could do nothing.

As for R:1 the data was either lost when the RA plan failed or in the fire afterwords. Either way neither would have happened if Aura didn't leave.

And I know Aura choose to go into hiding. What I'm talking about is what is likely to have happened if she DIDN'T. Most of the problems would not have existed in the first place and the only one that could have happened anyway AIDA could have easily been taken care of by her (since she wouldn't have left an swore not to interfere so she could have easily taken care fo it)

[Azure crow]

They didn't do a thing to the epitaphs.
If they couldn't act as avatarts,explain the Sora-Skeith connection.
They had forms.
They simply never found anyone to attach to,mainly because they may not have felt they were needed,they may not have wanted to,or because Aura was holding them back OR because the jackass R.A. members decided to bottle them up.

The fire was what destroyed the data,nothing to do with the R.A. plan.
And apart from start the sprinklers,Aura couldn't have stopped the fire.

She wouln't have had much of an impact on the problems that were created,just the R.A. plan.And that being that it wouldn't have happened.
The fire still would have hit,and the Avatars would have found people,no matter what.

[Jimbob]

From the dothack wikia "During Project G.U., the 8 Phases' data, also known as Epitaphs or Morganna Factors, were recovered and incorporated into special PCs called Epitaph-PCs, allowing the player controlling the PC, known as an Epitaph User (碑文使い), to summon the phase as an "Avatar"."

This certainly makes it seem as though the phase data couldn't have become Avatars without the RA first retrieving them. Otherwise they would have manifested long before G.U. They were still the phase monsters back then. They certainly weren't Avatars in the first series. Skeith/Sora was a special fusion done by Morganna. All it proved was that phase data could merge with PC data. It certainly wasn't an Avatar. If anything Skeith was using Sora not the other way around.

And the fire was caused by Amagi after he got his brain fried. If project G.U. never happened(since Aura would still be around, they wouldn't have started it) then the fire wouldn't have happened. Ok maybe a random fire could have been started for some other reason, but a fire in the company building wasn't inevitable.

AT any comments here on who is right?

[Azure crow]

I find your reliance on AT disgusting,if you don't mind me saying so.
You shouldn't need him to tell you your right.

First,.hack//wiki is user edited,and thus not the most reliable source of information.
And the guy narrating the terminal disk mentioned many times that it was the Sora/Skeith connection that proved and started theories about epitaph users.
They just went from there.
They never modified them,they just tried to attach them,which Morganna never let happen during IMOQ,which explains why they didn't before the games,an Aura likely didn't want any player having that power,so she stopped them from fusing.
Heck,she may have been the one who told them to find hosts to help against AIDA.
And what the phase monsters were before fusing with users was irrelivant.
Skeith took the form he had and ditched Haseo when fighting Magus,to keep Haseo safe,and he didn't lose his physical form duting tha fight.
The avatars are just the merged data,the epitaphs are the will of the avatars,and the phases are the monsters.
Both the avatars and the Phases are just forms of the original epitaph.
In fact,an Avatar really dosn't need an epitaph,as we see in Azure Kites case,where Azure Flame God is considered and avatar.

I'm still not sure that Amagi started the fire,but I'll go with that until I can disprove it.
I drop the fire argument.

But fire or no fire,AIDA would have found The World.
The course of history would have changed only in the range of a single fire possibly being avoided,and CCcorp money being wasted(god forbid).

[Jimbob]

The Terminal Disc outright says Amagi started the fire, thats that.

So basically if the RA plan never happened 1. The World would still be R:1. 2. Aura would still be around and still have the power to micromanage everything on the net (and considering the problems that occured when she stopped she probably had almost total control over the net and since everything is connected to the same network in this universe she can do anything ranging from putting everyone in the World into comas, shutting down power to everything and starting a nuclear holocaust if she wanted to. Bascially a goddess due the over reliance of the net in this world)

So basically when AIDA starts to form she could stop it in its begining stages in 5 seconds if she wanted to. So the AIDA problem wouldn't have happened.

This is assuming she didn't disappear.

[.hack//BICTIOUS]

Actually, if we're using the Terminal Disc,  Amagi's fire didn't destroy The World. As soon as they tried using all eight Epitaph PCs, The World essentially kerploded.

Still the same baisc incident, but yeah.