About Endrance...

mastergods · Post by **mastergods** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:03 am

EVERY ONE READ THIS!!

I just figured out who Endrance really is! and its not Elk(no surpirze there) how could any of us miss it? Endrance really is Tsukasa!! Think about it. During the fight with Crimzon night she said " I think its fun"When asked he asked her "why do you run?" So Tsukasa came back to "the world" to find Arua and was attacked bt AIDA and thats why Mia /macha is his avatar. the other proof is during ep 27 it shows a little girl (Tsukasa) feeding a dying cat only to have her (or should I say "her?) taken away be what looks like her dad.

see? its all there! not Elk but...

Now all I need to do is wait and get flamed by the fan girls

Fragments.beta · Post by **Fragments.beta** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:43 am

mastergods wrote:We already knew Morganna and AIDA aren't related so that was out of no where.

The point I making is just because Morganna did something to Mia, doesn't mean it would apply to AIDA. Because they are two different entities with different goals. And yes a loser like Elk would join AIDA. You make it sound like Elk is some high moral character. He isn't, all he has is his obsession with Mia. Case in point, he betrayed the .hackers, when Morganna gave him empty promises of restoring Mia. Now concerning, Endrance he has an obsession with "Mia". The AIDA-Mia exploited that obsession. Elk is obsessed with Mia. Endrance is obsessed with "Mia". Hence the connection.

mastergods wrote:oh He knew. he just did not want to amit it. I meanto make EN beleive the cat was "her" AIDA must likey did the same thing it did to PI and as proof I will point out that no mater who EN beat there was no news about players going into comas or anything..... OMG NOOO!! I just added anouther point to the "Elk is EN"!!!*falls to the ground"

He didn't give a damn if the Mia was some evil virus or hacker or Ronald Mcdonald. Nor would he care. It was all about listening to Mia. Thats it, thats all there is. Pi's case is differnet, it involves AIDA going into her(yes I know that sounds wrong, shut up), and directly affecting her emotions to control her.

mastergods wrote:EVERY ONE READ THIS!!

I just figured out who Endrance really is! and its not Elk(no surpirze there) how could any of us miss it? Endrance really is Tsukasa!! Think about it. During the fight with Crimzon night she said " I think its fun"When asked he asked her "why do you run?" So Tsukasa came back to "the world" to find Arua and was attacked bt AIDA and thats why Mia /macha is his avatar. the other proof is during ep 27 it shows a little girl (Tsukasa) feeding a dying cat only to have her (or should I say "her?) taken away be what looks like her dad.

see? its all there! not Elk but...

Now all I need to do is wait and get flamed by the fan girls

Tsukasa's real name: An Shoji (female)

Endrance's real name: Kaoru Ichinose (male)

Oops. I just killed your theory.

mastergods · Post by **mastergods** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:44 am

Fragments.beta wrote: He didn't give a damn if the Mia was some evil virus or hacker or Ronald Mcdonald. Nor would he care. It was all about listening to Mia. Thats it, thats all there is. Pi's case is differnet, it involves AIDA going into her(yes I know that sounds wrong, shut up), and directly affecting her emotions to control her."

Ditrctly affecting her emotions to control her you say? Just like AIDA was using EN cat to control him?

Fragments.beta wrote:Tsukasa's real name: An Shoji (female)

Endrance's real name: Kaoru Ichinose (male)

Oops. I just killed your theory.

I had a theory?

OH. your just talking about my late nght pokey and anime fulled rant. It was never a real thing all I was saying was "hey look someone who is all aone, wants power and was showen with a cat" it is my poke at the EN fan girls thats all. a joke if you will

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:14 pm

You're both wrong. Pi's emotions weren't being effect (except you could argue some sort of instinctive panic state, but I think that was natural.) It just wanted to hijack her Avatar.

Endrance wasn't being controlled. He was naturally blinded by his obsession with Mia.

And besides. We already know for a fact that Haseo is Sora, Yata is Wiseman, and Kuhn is Sieg, so why is the Endrance = Elk connection so much of a stretch for you skeptics?

mastergods · Post by **mastergods** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:51 pm

I am not really a skeptic. But I just like to think of other Reasons or possibilities. Like Perios the 3rd. Every one is thinking Hid player is old Perios's player. But I think its someone one who saw the old Perios and thought "wow look how cool he is! every one likes him I want to be as coo and well liked as he is!" I like to keep an open mind thats all.

So if someone can say Elk is EN beacuse of Mia. Then I can say EN is Tsukasa Becuase of the cat.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:22 pm

Well, there's multiple reasons, and most of your counterarguements are just stupid and don't contribute anything. We know for a fact the two Piroshi's are the same, he said so himself.

And Tsukasa can't be En due to wrong gender, wrong name, wrong age, Tsukasa never knew Mia, wrong color scheme, and that I'd bet money that if Tsukasa was a Chosen One for any of the Epitaphs, it'd probably either be the Mirage of Deceit, Rebirth, or Machinator. Not Temptress.

Spartan0021 · Post by **Spartan0021** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:25 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Well, there's multiple reasons, and most of your counterarguements are just stupid and don't contribute anything. We know for a fact the two Piroshi's are the same, he said so himself.
And Tsukasa can't be En due to wrong gender, wrong name, wrong age, Tsukasa never knew Mia

First: Burned. (mastergods)
Second: I agree with the "most of your counterarguements are just stupid and don't contribute anything." Completely true.
Third: The Piroshi's are the same. Though i bet you will turn around and say that was a joke or you were just saying it's like how Elk can be Endrance(Rather obvious in my, and many others, opinions.)
Fourth: Endrance is NOT Tsukasa, for those listed reasons exactly. I understand how you may have mistaken Macha for Mia, but Tsukasa never knew "Cat-player Mia", he knew the Macha stage which took the form of a Cat-like player which (if memory serves) never actually spoke.

mastergods · Post by **mastergods** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:42 pm

okay. Lets try this one more time. I do not and never did think Tsukasa is EN. I was just rshowing there are other things that look close but are not the same. Every one keeps saying "Elk is En because of the cat" so? Tsukasa was seen with a cat, does that mean She is EN? nope.

and the point about "gender" So what? in sign Tsukasa was first thought to be male( I have yet seen a wavemaster that I did not think was a she by looks)

and just to let you all "burn" me ore as Spartan0021 says. how do you find the real players names?

Spartan0021 · Post by **Spartan0021** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:33 pm

It's called .Hack//Wiki, to let you know. And personally I do not believe that Endrance is Elk just because of his cat. There is much more evidence than just that pointing to it.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:58 pm

Plus even if it WAS just the cat (despite all the other stuff like color schemes, ages, voice actor, etc), Tsukasa never called it Mia.

Fragments.beta · Post by **Fragments.beta** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:59 pm

mastergods wrote:okay. Lets try this one more time. I do not and never did think Tsukasa is EN. I was just rshowing there are other things that look close but are not the same. Every one keeps saying "Elk is En because of the cat" so? Tsukasa was seen with a cat, does that mean She is EN? nope.

Which just proves that you contribute nothing to the discussion. We don't need to hear your rap about making points. This is a topic about discussing Endrance. All your arguments are weak and don't prove anything at all. If you want to prove something, make sure you have solid facts to base it on, not speculation.

Tsukasa only knows Macha, not Mia. And Elk is obsessed with Mia. Its two completely diffrent situations and can't even be compared. Tsukasa never even knew Mia until Unsion. And if you have actually been reading the topic we wern't just refering to the cat. Endrance personality profile perfectly matches Elk. Since they are both hopeless romantics with an obsession. And Elk's demeanor makes him a perfect candidate for the Temptress Epitaph.

mastergods wrote:and the point about "gender" So what? in sign Tsukasa was first thought to be male( I have yet seen a wavemaster that I did not think was a she by looks)

See you obviously don't read anything. He wasn't talking about the characters. Tsukasa is a girl IRL. Endrance is a guy IRL. Unlike the virtual world, you can't instantenously change gender in the real world.

mastergods wrote:and just to let you all "burn" me ore as Spartan0021 says. how do you find the real players names?

http://dothack.wikia.com/wiki/.hack//Wiki

mastergods · Post by **mastergods** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:10 am

AuraTwilight wrote:Plus even if it WAS just the cat (despite all the other stuff like color schemes, ages, voice actor, etc), Tsukasa never called it Mia.

That is not really ture. Do not forget about Unison.

In Unison Tsukasa met Mia and knew it was Macha.

|kenji| · Post by **|kenji|** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:13 am

AuraTwilight wrote:You're both wrong. Pi's emotions weren't being effect (except you could argue some sort of instinctive panic state, but I think that was natural.) It just wanted to hijack her Avatar.

Endrance wasn't being controlled. He was naturally blinded by his obsession with Mia.

And besides. We already know for a fact that Haseo is Sora, Yata is Wiseman, and Kuhn is Sieg, so why is the Endrance = Elk connection so much of a stretch for you skeptics?

still with this theory? sorry but Haseo can't be Sora O_o for many reasons °_°
returning IT, i think there are no doubt that endrance is really elk
in the original games, or better in outbreak/quarantine, elk is incredibly worried for her friend, and become angry, confused, expecially after her death
the fact that he help kite in the last battle doesn't prove that he will not be still angry and confused (angry and confusion at high levels i mean), and after the game end we don't know what he did
i saw those emotions developed in G.U.
his angry and confusion became obsessions, the fact that he doesn't know about AIDA (when he SEE there's something that's not normal, but he continue to stay with it because of mia)
i think i'll see the confirm in GU2

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:17 am

We can prove that he forgave Kite when they got Mia back in the last dungeon in quarantine,the data bug dungeon I mean..if you knwo what I'm talking about.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:27 am

|kenji| wrote:still with this theory? sorry but Haseo can't be Sora O_o for many reasons °_°

It's not a theory, that's now officially a solid fact.

|kenji| · Post by **|kenji|** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:12 pm

Umbra wrote:
|kenji| wrote:still with this theory? sorry but Haseo can't be Sora O_o for many reasons °_°
It's not a theory, that's now officially a solid fact.

OMG.. i never saw it! T__T
but no... it can't be <.<... then why he wasn't surprised to see a "player" with Kite's avatar? and why not the same with Balmung and Orca? and i remember the terminal disk say that Sora left th RA project in the beginning of the project! >_<
i'm terribly confused ?__?

mastergods · Post by **mastergods** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:17 pm

Khun acts more like Sora then Haseo ever does. But Haseo looks more like sora then Khun

.hack//BICTIOUS · Post by **.hack//BICTIOUS** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:39 pm

Sora was NEVER part of the RA Project. They wanted him to be, because he'd proved it was possible to combine the Morganna Factor with PCs, but his account had already been cancelled, likely by his parents. He didn't even remember playing the game after waking up.

|kenji| · Post by **|kenji|** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:34 pm

.hack//BICTIOUS wrote: Sora was NEVER part of the RA Project. They wanted him to be, because he'd proved it was possible to combine the Morganna Factor with PCs, but his account had already been cancelled, likely by his parents. He didn't even remember playing the game after waking up.

yeah you're right i red the terminal disk again to get a confirm and i looked i remembered wrong ^^
so that's why haseo doesn't know anything.. i see, thanks for the clarification

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:15 pm

That is not really ture. Do not forget about Unison.

In Unison Tsukasa met Mia and knew it was Macha.

Unison's canon status has been called into question, so that's not even applicable. Even if so, Tsukasa wasn't dependant on Mia like Elk was. Tsukasa can move on, and has broken all of her ties with Za Warudo.

but no... it can't be <.<... then why he wasn't surprised to see a "player" with Kite's avatar? and why not the same with Balmung and Orca? and i remember the terminal disk say that Sora left th RA project in the beginning of the project! >_<

Amnesia