Crap.... Haseo is.... (and other spoilers)

[Jimbob]

Well, there is the Sora AI. And I'm sure Shino and Yowkow maintained their memories because their minds were "one" with the AIDA. Almost every coma victim was affected by memory loss to some degree, even if it was very miniscule (Lol Crimson Knight.)

Wait since when was Yowkow one with the AIDA? I thought that only happened to Ovan's victims since he was the "head AIDA". For matter Tenrow also seems to remember what was going on, as well as the AIDA server victims in Vol.2 (though that could be a different case) In the first series Orca, and Kazu seem to remember everything too. Who else forgot anything? It seems like everyone over a certain age is able to remember.

[Tsugasa-kun]

Hate to backtrack here but it must be done. there's no way Sora would be Haseo. Sora's memory was wiped since he came back in ep28 of sign. There's no way it was him. also the quote skeith says is "I have found you" not I have finally found you. When an Epitaph is able to reach its avatar, they have found each other and are able to work together and create the physical existance of an Avatar. I wouldn't be surprised if the other epitaph users went through the same thing.

[.hack//BICTIOUS]

Hate to backtrack here but it must be done. there's no way Sora would be Haseo. Sora's memory was wiped since he came back in ep28 of sign.

No one ever said Unison is actually canon. Besides, remember how PKing wasn't allowed in the games? Notice how Sora is commented as being a famous PKer in Unison?

[Tsugasa-kun]

Hate to backtrack here but it must be done. there's no way Sora would be Haseo. Sora's memory wasn't wiped since he came back in ep28 of sign.

No one ever said Unison is actually canon. Besides, remember how PKing wasn't allowed in the games? Notice how Sora is commented as being a famous PKer in Unison?

(Meant to say Wasn't wiped not was wiped.) But Unison is Canon. If you tie things all together the events in unison make total sense. Mia is back considering the event involving her is completed. All the players come back. Sora also has his memory back plus the fact that even though you weren't supposed to PK it was still possible. PKing wasn't outside of game parameters, it was outside moral standards. If you wanted to Powerlevel, PK all ya want.

[.hack//BICTIOUS]

(Meant to say Wasn't wiped not was wiped.) But Unison is Canon. If you tie things all together the events in unison make total sense. Mia is back considering the event involving her is completed. All the players come back. Sora also has his memory back plus the fact that even though you weren't supposed to PK it was still possible. PKing wasn't outside of game parameters, it was outside moral standards. If you wanted to Powerlevel, PK all ya want.

Actually, PKing was stated to be impossible around the time of the games. I know it's stated once or twice during them.

[Tsugasa-kun]

(Meant to say Wasn't wiped not was wiped.) But Unison is Canon. If you tie things all together the events in unison make total sense. Mia is back considering the event involving her is completed. All the players come back. Sora also has his memory back plus the fact that even though you weren't supposed to PK it was still possible. PKing wasn't outside of game parameters, it was outside moral standards. If you wanted to Powerlevel, PK all ya want.

Actually, PKing was stated to be impossible around the time of the games. I know it's stated once or twice during them.

>w< I'm talking about Sign here. during Sign PKing was possible. during IMOQ PKing wasn't allowed but then again in unison Sora threatened to PK Mistral for her Golden Grunty. So the show and games debate that. regardless of which Sora had lost no memory of himself since he knew all that he had done during his time being comatosed and inside skeiths wand. thus why he was crying in unison. If haseo were sora someone Like Yata would have figured that out the fastest, being an administrator would give you information towards the real person thus a name and what not. Yaa would know who sora was originally and now.

[DotHack-Haseo]

Haseo is Sora............I have proof.

http://dothack.wikia.com/wiki/Sora#.hack.2F.2FZERO

oh and there is this:

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Ryou Misaki, age 10.
[edit] Basic Info

In his first appearance in the .hack//SIGN series, he is a young boy in the 4th grade named Ryou Misaki. It is unknown if his mind has aged in the long period that transpires between being struck into a coma at the end of SIGN and his release at the end of the games. His unchanged attitude and habits suggest no mental maturing. After awakening from his coma, he loses his memories of The World. His parents hide the entire ordeal from him, and as a result he forgets he ever even played. He goes on to create the character Haseo.

All this is from the wiki. Also, read the OFFLINE portion of Sora's real identity.

BAM!!! It has been proven.

[Tsugasa-kun]

Once i see it in physical writing I'll believe it. Whats the source of the information since .hack//Wiki requires the info from a different source. Wiki is a Redistributor of information. So once I see where this info came from I can't fully accept it.

[.hack//BICTIOUS]

Once i see it in physical writing I'll believe it. Whats the source of the information since .hack//Wiki requires the info from a different source. Wiki is a Redistributor of information. So once I see where this info came from I can't fully accept it.

Read the discussion page for either Sora or Haseo. Kuukai listed his sources.

[Tsugasa-kun]

can anyone give a link? if its from Kuukai I can accept that. Kinda irks me that Haseo is sora though...

[.hack//BICTIOUS]

http://dothack.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Sora
Below the table of contets. I'm sure he'll give us a scan when the book's physically in his hands.

[Jigoku-no-Yamimaru]

Tsugasa, the Perfect Guidebook said that Ryou Misaki was the player behind Sora. The same Ryou as Haseo. Therefore, it is fact. Nothing you say can change that, if Unison is canon it had to be an AI copy of Sora. And an email easter-egg in Rebirth from Blackrose kind of makes it look like Unison isn't canon. Haseo=Sora. Period. End of discussion.

[Tsugasa-kun]

Tsugasa, the Perfect Guidebook said that Ryou Misaki was the player behind Sora. The same Ryou as Haseo. Therefore, it is fact. Nothing you say can change that, if Unison is canon it had to be an AI copy of Sora. And an email easter-egg in Rebirth from Blackrose kind of makes it look like Unison isn't canon. Haseo=Sora. Period. End of discussion.

I accepted that and i'm not trying to change it. It just bugs me that thats fact. Don't gotta be so rude about it... watch yo Tone!! >:3

[AuraTwilight]

Wait since when was Yowkow one with the AIDA? I thought that only happened to Ovan's victims since he was the "head AIDA". For matter Tenrow also seems to remember what was going on, as well as the AIDA server victims in Vol.2 (though that could be a different case) In the first series Orca, and Kazu seem to remember everything too. Who else forgot anything? It seems like everyone over a certain age is able to remember.

ALL of the AIDA's victims became one with them. Tenrawr, Orca, Kazu, and the others remember the bulk of what happened, but probably not what happened during their coma, for example.

The AIDA Server victims were never true victims to begin with. My theory is that it was a fake sort of coma, since their condition was caused by Innis.

there's no way Sora would be Haseo.

They are. Deal with it.

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Ryou Misaki, age 10.
[edit] Basic Info

In his first appearance in the .hack//SIGN series, he is a young boy in the 4th grade named Ryou Misaki. It is unknown if his mind has aged in the long period that transpires between being struck into a coma at the end of SIGN and his release at the end of the games. His unchanged attitude and habits suggest no mental maturing. After awakening from his coma, he loses his memories of The World. His parents hide the entire ordeal from him, and as a result he forgets he ever even played. He goes on to create the character Haseo.

OHSHITPWNED

Once i see it in physical writing I'll believe it. Whats the source of the information since .hack//Wiki requires the info from a different source. Wiki is a Redistributor of information. So once I see where this info came from I can't fully accept it.

Right, and Kuukai lied.

[Ravaan]

Minor nitpick: Helba doesn't create AIs. She just finds them and gives them a home. The Sora AI was created as a result of the events of Zero.

Touche. I'm completely convinced now.

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Ryou Misaki, age 10.
[edit] Basic Info

In his first appearance in the .hack//SIGN series, he is a young boy in the 4th grade named Ryou Misaki. It is unknown if his mind has aged in the long period that transpires between being struck into a coma at the end of SIGN and his release at the end of the games. His unchanged attitude and habits suggest no mental maturing. After awakening from his coma, he loses his memories of The World. His parents hide the entire ordeal from him, and as a result he forgets he ever even played. He goes on to create the character Haseo.

Nice. So it was his parents after all.

[Dragoon2044]

i just thought of back when we saw Haseo with Silver Knight in Roots. That scene must have been another clue since it involved a character from Ryou's past. That conversation might have been at a subconcious level though. Sometimes a person might forget things only to have them come back in bits and pieces later on; of course this occurrence would be so subtle that the person going through the experience would never realise it. a feeling of deja vu wouldn't be recognized out right. Though apparently Skeith remembers.

[Jimbob]

ALL of the AIDA's victims became one with them. Tenrawr, Orca, Kazu, and the others remember the bulk of what happened, but probably not what happened during their coma, for example.

If that was the case then so would Tenrow wouldn't he since he was also an AIDA victim? I guess they could have been one with the AIDA. Did either Yowkow or Tenrow say anything to imply that they were watching Haseo? And then why were Sakaki and the kids not? They (except for Sakaki as his was complicated) were all AIDA victims too right?

Well anyway here's another thought. If Haseo really doesn't remember the World then who was the "friend" who told him about it. Was it just subconsious memories of his that he wrote off as a friend's conversation or was it somebody?

[FlickerHaseo]

wikipedia.com, then look up sora = Haseo.

[Azure crow]

ALL of the AIDA's victims became one with them. Tenrawr, Orca, Kazu, and the others remember the bulk of what happened, but probably not what happened during their coma, for example.

If that was the case then so would Tenrow wouldn't he since he was also an AIDA victim? I guess they could have been one with the AIDA. Did either Yowkow or Tenrow say anything to imply that they were watching Haseo? And then why were Sakaki and the kids not? They (except for Sakaki as his was complicated) were all AIDA victims too right?

Well anyway here's another thought. If Haseo really doesn't remember the World then who was the "friend" who told him about it. Was it just subconsious memories of his that he wrote off as a friend's conversation or was it somebody?

I'd say thats about as irrelivant as asking about what kind of conversations saku and bo have,if they DO talk to each other.

[Kuukai]

Well anyway here's another thought. If Haseo really doesn't remember the World then who was the "friend" who told him about it. Was it just subconsious memories of his that he wrote off as a friend's conversation or was it somebody?

It's entirely possible it's a friend who introduced Sora to The World, but his memories of actually playing were gone...