Crap.... Haseo is.... (and other spoilers)

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:51 am

AT, you can't claim to have trouble with English and be a grammar nazi...

When have I been a grammar nazi?

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:57 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:
AT, you can't claim to have trouble with English and be a grammar nazi...
When have I been a grammar nazi?

I'll back it up that I've never seen AuraTwilight publicly accuse anyone of having bad grammer,let alone be a nuisence about it in any way,shape or form.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:41 pm

Granted, I'll be the first to admit I've said that people have typed like idiots, but that's when "dey tiyp liek dis n teh wurd is awsum .hack 4evirw."

Post by **Kuukai** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:20 pm

I guess you're right, actually, a grammar nazi you are not. Sorry.

In other news, it's confirmed by the Perfect Guidebook, which by its very title can't make any mistakes. Sora is Ryou Misaki. Have a nice day.

Jimbob · Post by **Jimbob** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:22 pm

Well, I guess that's that then. So I guess when they said they were all new characters they were lying. Anything else interesting the Perfect Guide said or was that the only new major revalation.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:26 pm

In other news, it's confirmed by the Perfect Guidebook, which by its very title can't make any mistakes. Sora is Ryou Misaki. Have a nice day.

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN IIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

*punches a puppy.*

Oh well. Atleast this proves DarkChaos is a liar. Awesome.

Post by **Kuukai** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:29 pm

Jimbob wrote:Well, I guess that's that then. So I guess when they said they were all new characters they were lying. Anything else interesting the Perfect Guide said or was that the only new major revalation.

All sorts of stuff, I don't personally have the thing yet though... Ovan's Lost Weapon isn't Twilight (I think that info's actually from the Complete Guide though). Can't wait to get it...

Fragments.beta · Post by **Fragments.beta** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:56 pm

Kuukai wrote:I guess you're right, actually, a grammar nazi you are not. Sorry.

In other news, it's confirmed by the Perfect Guidebook, which by its very title can't make any mistakes. Sora is Ryou Misaki. Have a nice day.

Hooray for crappy retcons. Just proves that the .hack writers aren't always great.

Post by **Kuukai** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:59 pm

What did they retcon? I still think it works. The main rewrite I've heard is that Alcor has to be shifted into the future a few months...

Dragoon2044 · Post by **Dragoon2044** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:05 pm

Oh wow. So it is finally confirmed then. Ryou is behind Sora and Haseo. Hah. Its kind of interesting how Skeith was like 'i've finally found you'. now we actually know why.

Fragments.beta · Post by **Fragments.beta** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:09 pm

Well for starters, how Skieth can COMPLETELY AND CONVENIENTLY wipe not just his memories of the events of SIGN, but all his knowledge as a hardcore R:1 player and turn him back into a newbie. Not to mention how he can CONVENIENTLY forget all his development into a better person in Unison, so they can turn him back into a total jackass to fit it with the whole "Grow Up" theme.

They reset Sora for what? A few fan giggles? It's really stupid. But anyway, its not really too bad. I'll eventually get over it.

Jigoku-no-Yamimaru · Post by **Jigoku-no-Yamimaru** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:43 pm

And that settles that. Anyone up for laughing at all the times someone had the Haseo=Sora idea and got called a newbie for it?

Jimbob · Post by **Jimbob** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:57 pm

Fragments.beta wrote: Not to mention how he can CONVENIENTLY forget all his development into a better person in Unison, so they can turn him back into a total jackass to fit it with the whole "Grow Up" theme.

Actually for this to work Unison would have to be considered non-canon. I think basically he forgot all about anything having to do with the World after waking up. Which may make sense since he was so young. After all didn't the younger children coma victims in G.U. including Sakaki forget everything that happened upon reviving? Shino and Alkaid didn't so maybe it's an age thing where all game coma victims under the age of 12 or something forget everything about their situation. And no I have no idea how that could be possible. Then again maybe Ovan wiped their memories so they wouldn't have to remember, only leaving Haseo's friends as a favor to him so they wouldn't forget how they close they were. Or maybe the memory loss has nothing to do with the World at all but he suffered a head injury after the games or something.

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:02 am

Kuukai wrote:In other news, it's confirmed by the Perfect Guidebook, which by its very title can't make any mistakes. Sora is Ryou Misaki. Have a nice day.

-Glass shatters-
-splat-
So what were the arguments that supported this? What were the counter-arguments that explained how Sora is in Unison, was it an AI?

Post by **Kuukai** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:28 am

"I-found-you" is like his introduction. He says it again when he confronts Haseo.

There a few explanations, already mentioned. Coma revival seems to depend on the person, so Sora's could have taken extra long. Also, simple syllogism: the "Sora" around after the games is an AI. Unison takes place after the games. Hmm, I wonder what I'm getting at... And there's also the "throw out Unison" argument, supported by the weirdness of the episode and how it doesn't really go along with Blackrose's email in Rebirth. Pick and choose, but it's not impossible. Also, even if Unison did happen, he was still less mature at the end of it than he is at the beginning of Roots, albeit maybe not by too much. His playstyle was different, and he was actually capable of making friends, but then his trust got beaten with a rusty iron Harvest wand until he just didn't care about anyone anymore...

Sheraton · Post by **Sheraton** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:46 am

So it's finally confirmed that Haseo=Sora...^^; I wonder if that's why .hack//Zero has to stop at vol1... I'm hoping that zero will continue and help fill in some of this "memory loss" gap : /(hopefully it gets translated soon)...

Ravaan · Post by **Ravaan** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:07 am

So, the debate comes to an end huh? Oh well, it's not too bad I guess. I'm actually over caring about the whole "OMGMEMORYWIPE!" thing too. I'm not really willing to toss Unision on the scrap heap. I'm more likely to believe Helba must be really good at making AI's, 'cus that Sora was hella convincing...

AuraTwilight wrote:Oh well. Atleast this proves DarkChaos is a liar. Awesome.

That it does. That's also what makes it the most awesome piece of info. about .hack ever revealed.

Great. Now I'm in the mood to deal out devine retribution. May even kill those puppies you just punched. :3

Exotahu · Post by **Exotahu** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:55 am

I think it was the AI Sora that you get at the end of IMOQ, That is as possible as UNISON being non-canon, right?

Also, what is a retcon?

.hack//BICTIOUS · Post by **.hack//BICTIOUS** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:48 am

A retcon is when something previously stated/atleast hinted at is overrirdden in favor of a new fact. For example, if you read X-Men, the many, many, many origins of Phoenix.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:34 am

Ovan's Lost Weapon isn't Twilight

Well that's annoying.

Oh wow. So it is finally confirmed then. Ryou is behind Sora and Haseo. Hah. Its kind of interesting how Skeith was like 'i've finally found you'. now we actually know why.

I have to admit, that quote becomes a hell of a lot cooler now.

Well for starters, how Skieth can COMPLETELY AND CONVENIENTLY wipe not just his memories of the events of SIGN, but all his knowledge as a hardcore R:1 player and turn him back into a newbie. Not to mention how he can CONVENIENTLY forget all his development into a better person in Unison, so they can turn him back into a total jackass to fit it with the whole "Grow Up" theme.

They reset Sora for what? A few fan giggles? It's really stupid. But anyway, its not really too bad. I'll eventually get over it.

Chillax. While the memory-wipe thing is annoying, it's not totally out of their ass. Apparently the selective amnesia affected all of the coma victims in the series in varying degrees. (such as Sakaki, who completely forgot everything post-Roots or so.) Tsukasa seems to be the only exception since his mind was wandering around freely as an AI.

And that settles that. Anyone up for laughing at all the times someone had the Haseo=Sora idea and got called a newbie for it?

I do.

Ok, I'm satisfied.

Actually for this to work Unison would have to be considered non-canon. I think basically he forgot all about anything having to do with the World after waking up. Which may make sense since he was so young. After all didn't the younger children coma victims in G.U. including Sakaki forget everything that happened upon reviving? Shino and Alkaid didn't so maybe it's an age thing where all game coma victims under the age of 12 or something forget everything about their situation. And no I have no idea how that could be possible. Then again maybe Ovan wiped their memories so they wouldn't have to remember, only leaving Haseo's friends as a favor to him so they wouldn't forget how they close they were. Or maybe the memory loss has nothing to do with the World at all but he suffered a head injury after the games or something.

Well, there is the Sora AI. And I'm sure Shino and Yowkow maintained their memories because their minds were "one" with the AIDA. Almost every coma victim was affected by memory loss to some degree, even if it was very miniscule (Lol Crimson Knight.)

So what were the arguments that supported this? What were the counter-arguments that explained how Sora is in Unison, was it an AI?

Well, it's an official document, so it doesn't need to present an arguement. It just needs to say so, and then it's fact. Either Unison is non-canon, or Sora's an AI.

I'm gonna go with the Sora AI theory, since non-canonifying Unison deprives me of one of my favorite quotes. "This Shindig looks like the Bombdiggity."

I'm more likely to believe Helba must be really good at making AI's, 'cus that Sora was hella convincing...

Minor nitpick: Helba doesn't create AIs. She just finds them and gives them a home. The Sora AI was created as a result of the events of Zero.

Also, what is a retcon?

When producers decide to change their mind about stuff. An example would be giving an origin story for a villain in a horror movie, and then in it's sequel reveal that the first origin story was a lie by one of the characters and give the REAL origin story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retcon