Crap.... Haseo is.... (and other spoilers)

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:42 am

Because it was comical? ¬_¬ By that standard, let's just throw out all the comedy relief in the GU games. Piros, you're outta here. Gaspard, you too. Udeden? Pfft. GnU? Nah. A couple episodes of Sign? Sure, why not.

destai · Post by **destai** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:11 am

Its sortve always been debatable. Even the last few episodes of root show Haseo doing stuff once he was data drained that he never did at the start of rebirth. I dontthink they can both be complete canon.

Shirosaki · Post by **Shirosaki** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:21 am

destai wrote:Its sortve always been debatable. Even the last few episodes of root show Haseo doing stuff once he was data drained that he never did at the start of rebirth. I dontthink they can both be complete canon.

But isn´t the last part of ROOTS after Rebirth? I haven´t watched the eps 21-24 but that what I´ve heard.

destai · Post by **destai** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:10 am

Shirosaki wrote:
destai wrote:Its sortve always been debatable. Even the last few episodes of root show Haseo doing stuff once he was data drained that he never did at the start of rebirth. I dontthink they can both be complete canon.
But isn´t the last part of ROOTS after Rebirth? I haven´t watched the eps 21-24 but that what I´ve heard.

No the last part of roots is rebirth. Haseo logs in at level 1 after being data drained. Has a few conversations he didnt have in the game with people who are in roots but have yet to appear in the games, he doesnt go trying to hide from Bordeaux and then he goes to Arche Kloen falls which he didnt do in the game.

Post by **Kuukai** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:12 am

AuraTwilight wrote:Because it was comical? ¬_¬ By that standard, let's just throw out all the comedy relief in the GU games. Piros, you're outta here. Gaspard, you too. Udeden? Pfft. GnU? Nah. A couple episodes of Sign? Sure, why not.

I didn't say it should be thrown out, just that it damages the plausibility of the series more than the Haseo=Sora thing. Damaging the plausibility, by the way, seems to be the only argument you have against it...

destai wrote:Its sortve always been debatable. Even the last few episodes of root show Haseo doing stuff once he was data drained that he never did at the start of rebirth. I dontthink they can both be complete canon.

Good point.

DarkChaos · Post by **DarkChaos** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:26 pm

Yeah like talking to Tabby and Phyllo. Also he didn't talk to Sakaki and Atoli in roots, but he did in Rebirth. Sometimes they just feel like changing things around even if it makes no sense and screws up the storyline.

Btw, ShiroSaki....I don't know if you know but roots end at episode #26.

Oh, and one more thing....I wanted to say this a few days ago.

AT, Ultimate isn't what you said.....being Ultimate is being the best of something or at something meaning you rarely make mistakes and if your a srew-up and make mistakes just to learn from them, than your not the "Ultimate" at anything. Also, AT.....(off-topic)do you believe in human evolution?

destai · Post by **destai** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:30 pm

DarkChaos wrote:
Btw, destai....I don't know if you know but roots end at episode #26.

what are you getting at?

DarkChaos · Post by **DarkChaos** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:32 pm

destai wrote:
DarkChaos wrote:
Btw, destai....I don't know if you know but roots end at episode #26.
what are you getting at?

I ment ShiroSaki....I got the names mixed up. Sorry.

Shirosaki · Post by **Shirosaki** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:34 pm

destai wrote:
DarkChaos wrote:
Btw, destai....I don't know if you know but roots end at episode #26.
what are you getting at?

I think he ment it was for me... I said it ended at ep 24.... sorry

Anyway... I guess the discussion is becoming a little offtopic... there isn´t anything else to discuss?

destai · Post by **destai** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:36 pm

Oh I see, I've only watched the first few and last few episodes of roots so Im not really very confident when it comes to that show. okay back on topic

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:00 pm

AT, Ultimate isn't what you said.....being Ultimate is being the best of something or at something meaning you rarely make mistakes and if your a srew-up and make mistakes just to learn from them, than your not the "Ultimate" at anything. Also, AT.....(off-topic)do you believe in human evolution?

Yes, I did say Ultimate. Show me where I didn't. In Harald's context (and his definition is the only one that matters), the Ultimate AI would be one that would be able to make mistakes and descisions JUST LIKE a human being. If it was better or worse than the average human, it wouldn't be the Ultimate AI. This can be taken as a reference to the Turing Test, where something is considered a proper AI if someone can't tell it apart from a human.

And no, I don't believe in human evolution is true. I KNOW human evolution is true. But how is that relevant? AI's aren't humans.

BurnTheSun · Post by **BurnTheSun** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:01 pm

Hey everyone, I am new here.

First off, on the subject of things happening in Roots that didnt happen in GU. Yeah, stuff did happen, also vice versa, in the end of roots, we dont see eevrything that happens with his first day we see in GU or his fight with Bordeux (sp? I know that is wrong, sorry). That doesnt mean they dont match, it just means we dont see everything. They dont show us his talks with everyone in GU because those characters are not in it (yet) and would only confuse people more, both roots and GU do not happen in one set time, we dont see everything, the end of roots and the start of GU show different parts of the same day, so to say.

Okay, now on Haseo being Sora. I hope it isnt true. I love Sora, dont get me wrong, but Sora and Haseo are so different, it doesnt make sence.

Warning, Spoilers Ahead (I dont know how to do the spoiler box, sorry).

In the Terminal Disk, doesnt it say something about they wanted Sora to recieve Skeith, but he doesnt play anymore, so it attached to someone else. Doesnt this mean Haseo is not Sora? besides, it would seem cheesy if it was true.

End Spoilers and End Post, actually.

Post by **Kuukai** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:44 pm

Aura is better by far than the average human being, otherwise they'd never have tried to make another. But her human-like ability to learn from mistakes, etc., is indeed her strength.

BurnTheSun wrote:First off, on the subject of things happening in Roots that didnt happen in GU. Yeah, stuff did happen, also vice versa, in the end of roots, we dont see eevrything that happens with his first day we see in GU or his fight with Bordeux (sp? I know that is wrong, sorry). That doesnt mean they dont match, it just means we dont see everything. They dont show us his talks with everyone in GU because those characters are not in it (yet) and would only confuse people more, both roots and GU do not happen in one set time, we dont see everything, the end of roots and the start of GU show different parts of the same day, so to say.

It's possible, though some things, like AFK's attack pattern, are obviously different. Artistic license, but yeah. Also, in Vol.3, Asta, Iyoten, and Haseo act like they never met that time during Roots.

BurnTheSun wrote:In the Terminal Disk, doesnt it say something about they wanted Sora to recieve Skeith, but he doesnt play anymore, so it attached to someone else. Doesnt this mean Haseo is not Sora? besides, it would seem cheesy if it was true.

No, Haseo was probably not playing at the time of Project G.U., having long been out of his coma and not having any recollection of R:1 when he joins R:2.

Shinsou Wotan · Post by **Shinsou Wotan** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:01 pm

Regarding the inconsistencies between the various elements of the G.U. story, I've only been able to come up with one explanation that doesn't involve categorizing almost everything other than the games as noncanon.

The anime, manga, books, etc. do not depict the story as it happened; they depict the story as told by several different people, none of whom know the whole truth.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:48 pm

Aura is better by far than the average human being, otherwise they'd never have tried to make another. But her human-like ability to learn from mistakes, etc., is indeed her strength.

Maybe I should've clarified. She might have superior abilities and maybe more knowledgeable than any human ever can, but emotionally, ethically, philosophically, etc., she's our equal. She's basically a digital human with a LOT of power and memory.

It's possible, though some things, like AFK's attack pattern, are obviously different. Artistic license, but yeah. Also, in Vol.3, Asta, Iyoten, and Haseo act like they never met that time during Roots.

Even though they did at the beginning of Rebirth, as well. I think they just didn't recognize Haseo as the n00b they killed that one day. Who would? It'd been like eight frickin' months.

The anime, manga, books, etc. do not depict the story as it happened; they depict the story as told by several different people, none of whom know the whole truth.

That'd kind've been my idea with the Kite/Blackrose inconsistencies between IMOQ and Another Birth.

DarkChaos · Post by **DarkChaos** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:32 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:
AT, Ultimate isn't what you said.....being Ultimate is being the best of something or at something meaning you rarely make mistakes and if your a srew-up and make mistakes just to learn from them, than your not the "Ultimate" at anything. Also, AT.....(off-topic)do you believe in human evolution?
Yes, I did say Ultimate. Show me where I didn't. In Harald's context (and his definition is the only one that matters), the Ultimate AI would be one that would be able to make mistakes and descisions JUST LIKE a human being. If it was better or worse than the average human, it wouldn't be the Ultimate AI. This can be taken as a reference to the Turing Test, where something is considered a proper AI if someone can't tell it apart from a human.

And no, I don't believe in human evolution is true. I KNOW human evolution is true. But how is that relevant? AI's aren't humans.

I messed up on that first part, but you know what I meant. Do you always use games as a means of truth?

About the evolution thing which I stated as off-topic is something I felt you would think is true. That is why I even asked because I have a tendancy to see through people and know what kind of person they are just from the way they talk and what they talk about.

Post by **Kuukai** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:55 pm

Shinsou Wotan wrote:Regarding the inconsistencies between the various elements of the G.U. story, I've only been able to come up with one explanation that doesn't involve categorizing almost everything other than the games as noncanon.

The anime, manga, books, etc. do not depict the story as it happened; they depict the story as told by several different people, none of whom know the whole truth.

I'd just leave it at creative license, I have no idea whose perspective Roots would have to be from for Iyoten, Asta, and Haseo to have not actually met, assuming the games are from Haseo's...

AuraTwilight wrote:Even though they did at the beginning of Rebirth, as well. I think they just didn't recognize Haseo as the n00b they killed that one day. Who would? It'd been like eight frickin' months.

Haseo recognizes them, but acts as if he hasn't seen them since he was PKed. He clearly remembers them, but not his fight with them in Roots, which is strange.

AuraTwilight wrote:That'd kind've been my idea with the Kite/Blackrose inconsistencies between IMOQ and Another Birth.

That was a mistranslation.

Syntax Man · Post by **Syntax Man** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:38 pm

BurnTheSun wrote:Hey everyone, I am new here.

First off, on the subject of things happening in Roots that didnt happen in GU. Yeah, stuff did happen, also vice versa, in the end of roots, we dont see eevrything that happens with his first day we see in GU or his fight with Bordeux (sp? I know that is wrong, sorry). That doesnt mean they dont match, it just means we dont see everything. They dont show us his talks with everyone in GU because those characters are not in it (yet) and would only confuse people more, both roots and GU do not happen in one set time, we dont see everything, the end of roots and the start of GU show different parts of the same day, so to say.

Okay, now on Haseo being Sora. I hope it isnt true. I love Sora, dont get me wrong, but Sora and Haseo are so different, it doesnt make sence.

Warning, Spoilers Ahead (I dont know how to do the spoiler box, sorry).

In the Terminal Disk, doesnt it say something about they wanted Sora to recieve Skeith, but he doesnt play anymore, so it attached to someone else. Doesnt this mean Haseo is not Sora? besides, it would seem cheesy if it was true.

End Spoilers and End Post, actually.

WTF is wrong with you as far as is known the sora in unison was the AI Sora Helba gives you the membr adress for in Quarentine. So unicon has no regadation to sora, secondly They just tried to attach Skeith to another character so Skeith went and sat In a corner untill Haseo came to be. Because the RA plan was a total failure as far as the cheesy stuff goes as far as I care G.U. may as well be a soap opra for all the crap in it.

Gemcrim · Post by **Gemcrim** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:06 pm

Kuukai wrote: Haseo recognizes them, but acts as if he hasn't seen them since he was PKed. He clearly remembers them, but not his fight with them in Roots, which is strange.

Well wasn't that fight the same day Shino fell comatose? Maybe he doesn't recall since that would have been something much more pressing on that day.

Post by **Kuukai** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:14 pm

It's true. I've always been saying Haseo being Sora isn't out of the ordinary for the series.

Gemcrim wrote:Well wasn't that fight the same day Shino fell comatose? Maybe he doesn't recall since that would have been something much more pressing on that day.

Maybe, it's still a little sloppy. Bordeaux purposely making Haseo famous is also sort of weird, if you look at her in the games. They're all small things, but they're the kind of things you get when you make several stories overlap and different creative teams are like, "wouldn't it be cool if we did this?" Not unlike the retconning of Haseo... It was a bit better back when they didn't really do that, but now we just need to put up with it...