Crap.... Haseo is.... (and other spoilers)

k-su · Post by **k-su** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:13 pm

Jimbob wrote:Well if Haseo really is Sora I hope there's an important reason as to why he doesn't remember the past and not just that he forgot because he was young then. Like he was in a car accident or something and forgot some of his childhood.

As for the friend thing. It could be that he remembers some of it subliminally but assumes it must be because a friend told him cause he can't remember playing that game. Or assuming he really does know Yata/Wiseman in real life it could have been him that told him. Since he was involved with CC Corp by them he could have known that he had a past history with Skieth and could very well be his Epitaph user, so he tried to get him to play again by telling him about his days as Wiseman (it wouldn't even be lying as he really did play R:1) Apparantly being in a World induced coma increases your chances of being a Epitaph user since 4 of the known ones were all R:1 data drain victims. It could even be required since we don't know about the other 4.

he could be like me. i can only remember bits and pieces of my life b4 5th grade (seriously). But then again, I can remember at least the occurances of important events, so that would mean haseo would remember at least alittle. thus my current argument is void.

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:15 pm

you would remember being killed by skeith,trust me.that's like getting your arm torn off and forgeting about it.

Jimbob · Post by **Jimbob** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:39 pm

Azure crow wrote:Who exactly were the other 4?(I know wiseman,sieg,and Elk(if proven or not))

Wiseman,Sieg,Elk, and apparantly Sora. And we don't know about the others. Pi could have been one of Lios's workers who was data drained, a long shot yeah but possible. As for Atoli, and Ovan no idea, and definitely not Bo he would have been too young to play it during the IMOQ incident.

Vahn Staffear · Post by **Vahn Staffear** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:45 pm

Jimbob wrote:
Azure crow wrote:Who exactly were the other 4?(I know wiseman,sieg,and Elk(if proven or not))
Wiseman,Sieg,Elk, and apparantly Sora. And we don't know about the others. Pi could have been one of Lios's workers who was data drained, a long shot yeah but possible. As for Atoli, and Ovan no idea, and definitely not Bo he would have been too young to play it during the IMOQ incident.

I think Ovan might be someone we know from the first four games and Atoli might just be someone new to the series.

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:45 pm

you can't count sora,because that wasn't proven.
There are only 3 known.
The data drain=epitaph user possible theory is gone now,because of Sakubo's age.
Unless her mother was DD'ed by skeith,which...hey,mabye being DD'd cretes a gene in the body that alows is,which is passed along family lines through genetic information(there is a word for this,but I can't remember it..)
then again,sora isn't haseo,so this is disproven again.

DarkChaos · Post by **DarkChaos** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:32 pm

Well, Sora remembered enough to cancel his R:1 account! Gee! How could he cancel his account if he couldn't remember playing the game or anything that happened? He must have remembered something.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:20 pm

Being Data Drained has nothing to do with being an Epitaph User. It's all about personality.

Jimbob · Post by **Jimbob** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:27 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Being Data Drained has nothing to do with being an Epitaph User. It's all about personality.

I thought they needed to have compatibility as well as personality.

Elgorn · Post by **Elgorn** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:27 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Being Data Drained has nothing to do with being an Epitaph User. It's all about personality.

That makes sense, though Atoli and Pi's personalities don't really match their epitaphs.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:34 pm

I thought they needed to have compatibility as well as personality.

Um...yea, it's the same thing. They need to have similar souls.

That makes sense, though Atoli and Pi's personalities don't really match their epitaphs.

Pfft, are you KIDDING me? Pi is Ender, and anyone who's watched Roots knows just how perfect Ender is for Tarvos, and Atoli is not only easy to decieve, she also acts cheerful and happy to hide up the fact that she's suicidal and cuts herself.

What the...??? · Post by **What the...???** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:46 pm

this might mean nothing, but remember how haseo didn't tell atoli what his name meant. for some reson i got a feeling the game designers didn't want to mention the reson for it could lead people to balive that he was sora. the name haseo and sora had a connection in poetry, but i can't remember what it was.

Post by **Kuukai** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:48 pm

Azure crow wrote:Haseo may have thought after painful forest that it WAS an official event that was a job extension,because he was never told anything about it being illegal.
So even if he said he did,he may not have thought he was lieing about it.
Added to that,what does that have to do with supporting the sora=haseo thoery

I'll try to get the exact quote and a translation, but it sets a precedent for not being able to trust everything he says...

Azure crow wrote:you would remember being killed by skeith,trust me.that's like getting your arm torn off and forgeting about it.

You could argue that you wouldn't forget Macha coming out of you and hurting people you care about, but Mia did. She was a PC-type Vagrant AI with Macha hiding inside. Sora was a PC-type Vagrant AI with Skeith hiding inside. Sora originally had a body, but at the point that happened they were both data, and the game doesn't discriminate. So the same thing could have happened to Sora, I think.

Regardless, it has been officially stated that he played R:1, was DDed by Skeith, and forgot all about it. If you're trying to prove he's not Sora, this is the one and only point you can't argue with. It's a given. Game Over. Done. Talk about his hobbies, his hair, the 70s, anything but his amnesia. Though if you're not trying to prove anything, and just annoyed that they used such a stupid plot device, carry on.

Jimbob wrote:Pi could have been one of Lios's workers who was data drained, a long shot yeah but possible.

Actually, that couldn't happen, since her reason for joining CC was what happened to her brother after the games.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:19 pm

You could argue that you wouldn't forget Macha coming out of you and hurting people you care about, but Mia did. She was a PC-type Vagrant AI with Macha hiding inside. Sora was a PC-type Vagrant AI with Skeith hiding inside. Sora originally had a body, but at the point that happened they were both data, and the game doesn't discriminate. So the same thing could have happened to Sora, I think.

But to be fair, Mia's memories were being destroyed as the servers were collapsing. And if any damage was done to Sora's mind he could've recovered them just like Tsukasa did.

You could argue that you wouldn't forget Macha coming out of you and hurting people you care about, but Mia did. She was a PC-type Vagrant AI with Macha hiding inside. Sora was a PC-type Vagrant AI with Skeith hiding inside. Sora originally had a body, but at the point that happened they were both data, and the game doesn't discriminate. So the same thing could have happened to Sora, I think.

Regardless, it has been officially stated that he played R:1, was DDed by Skeith, and forgot all about it. If you're trying to prove he's not Sora, this is the one and only point you can't argue with. It's a given. Game Over. Done. Talk about his hobbies, his hair, the 70s, anything but his amnesia. Though if you're not trying to prove anything, and just annoyed that they used such a stupid plot device, carry on.

Still doesn't mean he's Sora. He could've been any of the uncounted victims of Skeith. Just because six were counted doesn't mean that's all there were. And I'm sure someone can forget about being in a coma. It's a lot different than being in a coma, your mind gets pulled into a staff and you're forced to be aware of everything Skeith is doing, including being forced to hunt a little girl you gave your "Life" to help out.

Elgorn · Post by **Elgorn** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:21 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:
I thought they needed to have compatibility as well as personality.
Um...yea, it's the same thing. They need to have similar souls.

That makes sense, though Atoli and Pi's personalities don't really match their epitaphs.
Pfft, are you KIDDING me? Pi is Ender, and anyone who's watched Roots knows just how perfect Ender is for Tarvos, and Atoli is not only easy to decieve, she also acts cheerful and happy to hide up the fact that she's suicidal and cuts herself.

Oh ya. I completely forgot about that. Havn't watched the series since the last sub came out months ago. So I guess it does make sense...though I'm not so sure about that last part. But maybe getting AIDA raped could cause that.

AFK · Post by **AFK** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:39 pm

Still, alot of it points to that fact. While it's not confirmed, (it'll probably never be confirmed) it would add alot to the story. I like the idea that Haseo=Sora, it's kinda funny.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:56 pm

Oh ya. I completely forgot about that. Havn't watched the series since the last sub came out months ago. So I guess it does make sense...though I'm not so sure about that last part. But maybe getting AIDA raped could cause that.

Atoli was bullied at school, and was browsing suicide websites one day. She met Sakaki in a chatroom, and she's so loyal to him because he saved her from suicide.

Post by **Kuukai** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:01 am

AuraTwilight wrote:But to be fair, Mia's memories were being destroyed as the servers were collapsing. And if any damage was done to Sora's mind he could've recovered them just like Tsukasa did

Mia's memories of Elk were still intact right before she asploded, despite all but one of the phases that got destroyed being destroyed. I doubt you could blame it on Tarvos's destruction, since that didn't really affect very much if I remember correctly.

Ginkan and seemingly Kuhn both had permanent memory loss, and no one has been stuck in The World for nearly as long and under nearly as strange circumstances as Sora.

AuraTwilight wrote:Still doesn't mean he's Sora. He could've been any of the uncounted victims of Skeith. Just because six were counted doesn't mean that's all there were. And I'm sure someone can forget about being in a coma. It's a lot different than being in a coma, your mind gets pulled into a staff and you're forced to be aware of everything Skeith is doing, including being forced to hunt a little girl you gave your "Life" to help out.

True. That's a valid point. Though he chose the name "Haseo", which was validated in an interview as a plot point, and he is very suspicious about the origin of it. He is also the same age that Sora would be. This likely means he either is Sora, or has some connection to him. If he has some connection, he can't be a sibling as Haseo has none, so he's an irl or online friend. If he's an irl friend, he went into a coma after Sora did, once Skeith was active, presumably trying to figure out what happened to him. This would probably involve his friend attacking him, which puts the "memorability" considerably higher than Sora saving some random girl he doesn't know. This also means that he started playing either before or during SIGN, and we never see this guy with Sora, though that could mean nothing. If he was an online friend, the story is more or less the same, but we'd probably have seen him. Also, they'd know each other from outside The World, like Sakaki and Atoli, since Haseo empirically really doesn't remember a single thing about the game.

These are small doubts, but they add up. I'd generously put Haseo being a friend at 45% likelihood, and him being Sora at 55%.

dark_kratos · Post by **dark_kratos** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:30 am

okay I remember reading that Sora had been a candidate for Skeith but he had quit the world before hand. Also we all know that Haseo and said something about the World bringing back memories. So it could be possible that Haseo and Sora were friends. But you know this will not be known untill someone finds more out. : Sigh :

now for sources one was end of the world and a translation on here...I just dont remember where.

Sakomaru · Post by **Sakomaru** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:41 am

hello everyone

first post.

anyway, I was looking at stuff in .hack wiki and found something interesting on Skeith's page.

When Haseo's PC and spirit are damaged by Ovan's "Rebirth" ability and the truth he's revealed, he finds himself in a dark room inside his PC, and Skeith confronts him directly, in the form of a white version of Haseo with a more Sora-like way of speaking.

Now, I don't know if it really proves it but, its something interesting.

Tadashi · Post by **Tadashi** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:54 am

Sakomaru wrote:hello everyone first post.

anyway, I was looking at stuff in .hack wiki and found something interesting on Skeith's page.

When Haseo's PC and spirit are damaged by Ovan's "Rebirth" ability and the truth he's revealed, he finds himself in a dark room inside his PC, and Skeith confronts him directly, in the form of a white version of Haseo with a more Sora-like way of speaking.

Now, I don't know if it really proves it but, its something interesting.

Skeith stole Sora's personality?

@newtti
And all of his e-mails, contacts, backgrounds and WTH are game data, of course ¬_¬
It would be nice if you had to reinstall everything by yourself instead of the PC rebooting and all basic programs are back.