Still don´t get some things... (MAYOR SPOILERS AGAIN)

Apple · Post by **Apple** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:18 am

When Ovan dies in The World, did he die in real life too??
&& Ovan wasn't the cause of the AIDA, Cubia was, and Cubia only returned because Ovan had the power to like do things to the internet. Am I on the right track?? All this new information isn't being put together properly. >_>

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:01 am

Apple wrote:When Ovan dies in The World, did he die in real life too??
&& Ovan wasn't the cause of the AIDA, Cubia was, and Cubia only returned because Ovan had the power to like do things to the internet. Am I on the right track?? All this new information isn't being put together properly. >_>

No, when Ovan dies, his PC dies and is reborn in a spirit-like form. Ovan in real life, is in a coma. So you can pretty much say that Ovan is Tsukasa-ing around. The cause of the AIDA is not explained and will probably be explained in the OVA. Yes, Cubia, in this case is the anti-existence of Ovan because it is a great power in the hands of a human. Although I'm not quite sure what that power is exactly. I'm guessing it's Corbenik's Rebirth power.

Kite669 · Post by **Kite669** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:12 am

AuraTwilight wrote:Actually, she says stuff about how she won't run away from her and that if Haseo can heal his own heart, then she can too.

I see, thats good news.

Kouen wrote:
Apple wrote:When Ovan dies in The World, did he die in real life too??
&& Ovan wasn't the cause of the AIDA, Cubia was, and Cubia only returned because Ovan had the power to like do things to the internet. Am I on the right track?? All this new information isn't being put together properly. >_>
No, when Ovan dies, his PC dies and is reborn in a spirit-like form. Ovan in real life, is in a coma. So you can pretty much say that Ovan is Tsukasa-ing around. The cause of the AIDA is not explained and will probably be explained in the OVA. Yes, Cubia, in this case is the anti-existence of Ovan because it is a great power in the hands of a human. Although I'm not quite sure what that power is exactly. I'm guessing it's Corbenik's Rebirth power.

Did they ever show Corbeink's third form?

Apple · Post by **Apple** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:16 am

Did they ever show Corbeink's third form?

It's probably his super awsome internet rebooting thing. X) Since rebooting is kinda like rebirth.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:58 pm

So does this mean that Ovan was the source of the AIDA, because he had the Key of the Twilight, and the Key of the Variant is the anti-existence to that being in the hands of a human?

No, AIDA are the Key of the Variant, but we don't even know if they're the Anti-Existence to anything.

When Ovan dies in The World, did he die in real life too??
&& Ovan wasn't the cause of the AIDA, Cubia was, and Cubia only returned because Ovan had the power to like do things to the internet. Am I on the right track?? All this new information isn't being put together properly. >_>

Ovan is in a coma in real life and a spirit in Za Warudo.

And for the last time, The AIDA and Cubia do NOT have any proven connection. It's all speculation. Cubia was created because Ovan restarted the entire worldwide network, destroying ALL the AIDA.

Although I'm not quite sure what that power is exactly. I'm guessing it's Corbenik's Rebirth power.

Yes, it's the special power of the Rebirth Epitaph.

Did they ever show Corbeink's third form?

He doesn't have one.

Vahn Staffear · Post by **Vahn Staffear** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:05 pm

Thats why Haseo couldn't defeat Cubia with out Ovan, I suppose all seven Epitaphs are neaded to destroy Cubia, and since Conbenik couldn't be data drained Haseo couldn't aquire the power he needed to deliver the final blow, thus Ovan's spirit (I think) gave Haseo the rest of his power thus killing Corbenik and with Haseo's Epitaph power he killed Cubia without destroying the internet. Right AT? =3

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:37 pm

I'm gonna suppose you meant all EIGHT Epitaphs.

Anyway, Skeith didn't get the other Epitaphs through Data Drain. They were given to him by everyone else except Ovan before the final confrontation, similar to what Endrance, Atoli, and Kuhn have already done. Otherwise you're correct.

Ravaan · Post by **Ravaan** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:41 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:I'm gonna suppose you meant all EIGHT Epitaphs.

Anyway, Skeith didn't get the other Epitaphs through Data Drain. They were given to him by everyone else except Ovan before the final confrontation, similar to what Endrance, Atoli, and Kuhn have already done. Otherwise you're correct.

Yeash, He got their Epitaph Data through using Skeith's Data Drain on them, except mabey Corbenik 'cus Skeith says something like "It's just as I thought! Without the Corbenik Epitaph...."
That's why he was the only one he could defeat Cubia...well, with Ovan's help...
And everyone else's HEART POWER!!!

Cubia...
Rolls of the toungh eh?

usaxoR · Post by **usaxoR** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:17 pm

The White Flicker Haseo is basically Skeith right?

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:31 pm

Yeash, He got their Epitaph Data through using Skeith's Data Drain on them, except mabey Corbenik 'cus Skeith says something like "It's just as I thought! Without the Corbenik Epitaph...."
That's why he was the only one he could defeat Cubia...well, with Ovan's help...
And everyone else's HEART POWER!!!

No...he DIDN'T get them through Data Drain. Haseo isn't Megaman. Everyone lent their Epitaphs to Haseo.

The White Flicker Haseo is basically Skeith right?

Yea, a subconscious manifestation of him in Haseo's mind.

HiroshiKazu · Post by **HiroshiKazu** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:21 am

Okay question
Is Ovan actually dead, or is it just that his PC-body scattered in/deleted from the system?

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:23 am

HiroshiKazu wrote:Okay question
Is Ovan actually dead, or is it just that his PC-body scattered in/deleted from the system?

Errr.... Ovan's PC body is in a spirit like form. His real life counterpart is in a coma. So basically he is Tsukasa-ing around as a spirit like PC.

usaxoR · Post by **usaxoR** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:03 am

@ the whole Ovan Epitaph thing before

I thought Haseo did have data from the others having DD'ed them, but he gave them to Ina in that scene in The Cathedral, it's pretty obvious the final fight he was given the strength from the avatar users there

Again, I could be wrong, cause I have general "dun read much into it" understanding of the game

UHR · Post by **UHR** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:50 am

usaxoR wrote:@ the whole Ovan Epitaph thing before

I thought Haseo did have data from the others having DD'ed them, but he gave them to Ina in that scene in The Cathedral, it's pretty obvious the final fight he was given the strength from the avatar users there

Again, I could be wrong, cause I have general "dun read much into it" understanding of the game

Core =! Avatar
Everyone was still able to summon their avatars, all Haseo did was get some of their data. Skeith's original purpose was to do just that, gather data for the Ultimate AI.

usaxoR · Post by **usaxoR** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:28 am

UHR wrote:
usaxoR wrote:@ the whole Ovan Epitaph thing before

I thought Haseo did have data from the others having DD'ed them, but he gave them to Ina in that scene in The Cathedral, it's pretty obvious the final fight he was given the strength from the avatar users there

Again, I could be wrong, cause I have general "dun read much into it" understanding of the game
Core =! Avatar
Everyone was still able to summon their avatars, all Haseo did was get some of their data. Skeith's original purpose was to do just that, gather data for the Ultimate AI.

I said data in the post I made

UHR · Post by **UHR** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:51 am

usaxoR wrote:I said data in the post I made

They're called data cores, right(been awhile since I played, so correct me if they aren't)? That's why I referred to it as 'core'. Yes, he did give Ina the data he collected, but what he took didn't affect their ability to summon their avatars.

Vahn Staffear · Post by **Vahn Staffear** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:14 am

AuraTwilight wrote:I'm gonna suppose you meant all EIGHT Epitaphs.

Anyway, Skeith didn't get the other Epitaphs through Data Drain. They were given to him by everyone else except Ovan before the final confrontation, similar to what Endrance, Atoli, and Kuhn have already done. Otherwise you're correct.

Yay =3
So everyone lost their Epitaph powers compleatly?

usaxoR · Post by **usaxoR** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:34 am

^ Nope
They very clearly summon them during the Cubia fight

Everyone yells out their avatars and then Atoli does a whole monologue and ends with Haseo summoning Skeith

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:52 pm

*slams head into desk.*

@ the whole Ovan Epitaph thing before

I thought Haseo did have data from the others having DD'ed them, but he gave them to Ina in that scene in The Cathedral, it's pretty obvious the final fight he was given the strength from the avatar users there

Again, I could be wrong, cause I have general "dun read much into it" understanding of the game

Listen to me, goddammit. They LENT HIM THE EPITAPHS! Genomes are NOT Epitaphs. As for the Ina thing, that was Skeith Basically Data Draining Ina in order to allow Aura to use her as a medium to communicate with Haseo and Yata

Skeith's original purpose was to do just that, gather data for the Ultimate AI.

Shut the hell up and never read the Liminality Easter Egg again.

They're called data cores, right(been awhile since I played, so correct me if they aren't)? That's why I referred to it as 'core'. Yes, he did give Ina the data he collected, but what he took didn't affect their ability to summon their avatars.

He didn't give Ina any data. He was just modifying her data so she didn't collapse from a forced Installation of the Book of Twilight.

So everyone lost their Epitaph powers compleatly?

No, Haseo just borrows them for the Cubia fight. Once everything in Za Warudo is settled, everyone goes back to one Epitaph, one body.

Vahn Staffear · Post by **Vahn Staffear** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:54 pm

Well that explains why Endurabce has lent him power 3 times now. =)