SakuBo (spoilers)

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:51 pm

TwilightFlash wrote:If that was directed at me, I know that. When I said just because they share a body doesn't mean they are the same person I was refering to Bo's real life body...

No, I directed that at Passe and I am too sleepy/lazy to choose which one to quote. <_<

Passé · Post by **Passé** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:54 pm

D:< I AM SO CONFOOSEED.

But not really. I got it now... just... wow. So much for being normal people. -sigh-

andsomuchfornoreturningcharacters.

Ravaan · Post by **Ravaan** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:55 pm

lawl, okays

I find it intersting that they would have it in the game that you can actually erase Saku...I'm assuming that in the OVA she will still be present though...It'd suck if she wasn't...

If we get to see them in real life, I wanna see what circumstances make 'em switch

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:56 pm

Passé wrote:D:< I AM SO CONFOOSEED.

But not really. I got it now... just... wow. So much for being normal people. -sigh-

andsomuchfornoreturningcharacters.

Basically it's two people in one body.
There ARE returning characters, you just haven't spoiled yourself enough yet. =O

What the...??? · Post by **What the...???** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:06 am

about the medicene idea.

do they even have medicen for split personallity.

I heared that they can find ways to supress the other personallity or get ride of it via confronting the fear. but i didn't think they had pills or anything.

also about the gorre point of bo alone controling him. do the ephitaph users even have the phases still becuse i heard somthing in Vol. 3 where aura called haseo the holder of morganna, becuse all the phases fused together.

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:40 am

What the...??? wrote:about the medicene idea.

do they even have medicen for split personallity.

I heared that they can find ways to supress the other personallity or get ride of it via confronting the fear. but i didn't think they had pills or anything.

also about the gorre point of bo alone controling him. do the ephitaph users even have the phases still becuse i heard somthing in Vol. 3 where aura called haseo the holder of morganna, becuse all the phases fused together.

Apparently Ovan is still hogging Corbenik so Haseo does not have an Avatar Morganna.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:42 pm

Wait... I'm confused... So the early theory of Sakubo being a kid with a split personality was right? Or am I just getting mixed signals? ...Did Haseo encourage a person with a mental problem to not get that problem treated?

More importantly, why doesn't anybody get this kid some medication? D:

...Also, does that mean Bo's really... the one... at the Saku ending?

I'm sorry, but this offends me. Having Multiple Personality is not a problem, and all known methods of "treatment" are actually worse. Most people with Multiple Personalities are actually happy and functional, and those that aren't and get "cured" end up missing their "family members" and try and force themselves into a relapse.

And no, it's Saku at the wedding ending. Just because they share one body doesn't mean they're the same person who thinks he's two people. They have different memories, emotions, ideas, and opinions. It's more like two people in a house, except the house is made out of skin and bones.

about the medicene idea.

do they even have medicen for split personallity.

I heared that they can find ways to supress the other personallity or get ride of it via confronting the fear. but i didn't think they had pills or anything.

also about the gorre point of bo alone controling him. do the ephitaph users even have the phases still becuse i heard somthing in Vol. 3 where aura called haseo the holder of morganna, becuse all the phases fused together.

They do, but it doesn't work. Instead of getting rid of the other personalities, it just knocks them out and messes with communication. It's horrible, believe me. And besides, what fear are you talking about?

Yes, the Epitaph Users still have the Phases. All eight of them are Holders of Morganna, since Phases = Morganna.

-Y- · Post by **-Y-** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:41 pm

I actually have a question for some people who played the Japanese version or if anyone even knows this.

Does Sakubo's (Saku) friend Ayake have like a role in any of the volumes? Like instead of posting in the Apaiku board.

Passé · Post by **Passé** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:02 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:
Wait... I'm confused... So the early theory of Sakubo being a kid with a split personality was right? Or am I just getting mixed signals? ...Did Haseo encourage a person with a mental problem to not get that problem treated?

More importantly, why doesn't anybody get this kid some medication? D:

...Also, does that mean Bo's really... the one... at the Saku ending?
I'm sorry, but this offends me. Having Multiple Personality is not a problem, and all known methods of "treatment" are actually worse. Most people with Multiple Personalities are actually happy and functional, and those that aren't and get "cured" end up missing their "family members" and try and force themselves into a relapse.

Sorry.

I wasn't trying to offend you.

Sorry for not being an expert on mental illness.

shio · Post by **shio** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:46 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Just one of the twins is enough to control Avatar Gorre. It just means the other one won't show up. Not like it matters, since Avatar Gorre never really shows up in Volume 3.

well I think their idea for the "twins" controlling avatar gore was that since gore was 2 things they needed twins but then later down the line they figured that even tho gore is 2 things, they are still 1 phase/monster/avatar/watever and figured the best way to go about that and to surprise people would be to have the person controlling it be 2 people but they were actually 1

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:32 pm

Actually...

The two were always intended as one body with two minds, and there's evidence for it even in volume 1. It's not so much two people being the requirement for Gorre (Though it helps), but it just requires someone who Machinates. Two Chosen Ones who machinate with each other is just the ideal. For example, the Chosen One selected for the RA Plan was one individual with one mind.

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:44 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Actually...

The two were always intended as one body with two minds, and there's evidence for it even in volume 1. It's not so much two people being the requirement for Gorre (Though it helps), but it just requires someone who Machinates. Two Chosen Ones who machinate with each other is just the ideal. For example, the Chosen One selected for the RA Plan was one individual with one mind.

Random question (spoiled...just because everything about this is in spoiler tags. lol)

If, instead of Bo, Gorre would've chosen another character with only one single mind, but that mind being just like Saku's mind, would that person still be compatible for Gorre?? And if yes, would Gorre's avatar be represented by just 1 single 'thing'??

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:05 pm

If the person is compatible, then sure.

And Gorre was ALWAYS represented by one "thing." It just changes depending on who's in control by flipping over and refolding itself like a flower.

Ravaan · Post by **Ravaan** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:20 am

Ok, seeing as TheSorrow and AT are talkin' 'bout it, I just wanna ask you two if this is right, i'll spoiler it just in case...
Ok, so if im gettin' this right, the deffinition of a "machinator" is someone who secretly or cunningly makes complecated plans to acheive a goal or cause harm to others (according to Encarta, but that sounds wrong). Gorre is usually depicted as "twins" as I think this helps influence the "secret" side of the machinator. If a player other than Bo was Gorre's EU, I think that it would still manifest itself as an Avatar that represents some kind of dualisis. As an eample, if I was the EU of Gorre (:P), one side of the Avatar would still represent a more aggresive, assertive, persona like Saku, as my personality is that way at times. The other side of the Avatar would represent a more withdrawn, calm, caring and shy persona like Bo, as my pesonality leans this way at times. So even though I only have one mind in my body "my" Gorre would still have 2 seperate "modes" representing my personality, But unlike Saku and Bo who alternate control, I would still be in control of both. The Avatar would probebly draw out more, and influence the severity of one side of my personality depending on the "mode", but I would still have control. If you look at it this way anyone without more than one mind could still wield Gorre...
I probebly should have just PM'd you guys this instead -_-

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:35 pm

TwilightFlash wrote:Ok, seeing as TheSorrow and AT are talkin' 'bout it, I just wanna ask you two if this is right, i'll spoiler it just in case...
Ok, so if im gettin' this right, the deffinition of a "machinator" is someone who secretly or cunningly makes complecated plans to acheive a goal or cause harm to others (according to Encarta, but that sounds wrong). Gorre is usually depicted as "twins" as I think this helps influence the "secret" side of the machinator. If a player other than Bo was Gorre's EU, I think that it would still manifest itself as an Avatar that represents some kind of dualisis. As an eample, if I was the EU of Gorre (:P), one side of the Avatar would still represent a more aggresive, assertive, persona like Saku, as my personality is that way at times. The other side of the Avatar would represent a more withdrawn, calm, caring and shy persona like Bo, as my pesonality leans this way at times. So even though I only have one mind in my body "my" Gorre would still have 2 seperate "modes" representing my personality, But unlike Saku and Bo who alternate control, I would still be in control of both. The Avatar would probebly draw out more, and influence the severity of one side of my personality depending on the "mode", but I would still have control. If you look at it this way anyone without more than one mind could still wield Gorre...
I probebly should have just PM'd you guys this instead -_-

More random spoilers
I think that anyone with a scheming mind (like Saku) is a candidate for Gorre. It doesn't matter if you have a double personallity or not. And so (not too sure about this), if the EU for Gorre were to be a person with a single mind, Gorre would be represented by a single being as well.

What the...??? · Post by **What the...???** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:35 pm

gorre needs a personallity that can flip darasticlly. although it only takes one person like other phases it need a personallity that can swich between to very vast forms. split personality and bipolar disorder are very usefull for personallity swich. gorre just needs one body but a personallity that arguse with itself like gore itself dose. it dosn't need two people. if there is nowon playing the game who has split personality or bipolar disorder it will select the most mistivus and deul personalliteyd person.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:44 pm

Did you have a seizure while typing that post?

Anyway, yes, I could agree that Gorre looks out for mentally unstable, schitzophrenic, paranoid, or more or less machinating minds. Conspiracy Nuts are probably gold for Gorre.

shio · Post by **shio** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:10 pm

has anyone realized that sakubo is probobly the most complicated character and has had the most detailed discussions about her like we're a bunch of psychiatrists

pekerman · Post by **pekerman** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:30 pm

Jimbob wrote:You have to convince her to stay via mail.

i got some mails from Saku (about 4), i always chose the 1st answer, I think i screwed up because, Saku did appear once again (later, in the net slum) but, nothing else. i still have Bo online only. Do you know what to answer these mails??

Jimbob · Post by **Jimbob** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:32 pm

I don't even have the game. And I'm completely Japanese illiterate so no clue. But the "good" answer is usually the first one from what I've read.