Rare Item wrote:Look. I agree with the first part. I already said that fillers don't count because they're not from the original story and the author didn't create any of them.
"Naruto is so damn shallow" - look, maybe we can learn everyrthing on Naruto in something like ten minutes, but the author made his past somewhat interesting and when his story is told you can feel something sad. What is wrong with investing in the other characters? It just make the series less shallow and you can shed a tear from time to time. And a main character doesn't need to have some thrilling past, more important is its present and future. In BLEACH the other characters are not special or unique. The fact that Ishida's grandfather (correct me if I'm wrong) died doesn't make him invested or something, especially with the fact that right after there is a fight. Seems like all of the plot (or most of it) in BLEACH is something like an excuse for more and more fights. And that, mister, is called shallow :>
BTW, if you are series with that signature, you are a disgusting person. Have a good day :>
No, the fillers DO count because they're part of the NEW story and are part of the show that I am watching when I see Naruto. There's nothing wrong with fillers. But those fillers suck some power cock.
Take Ah! My Goddess! for example. Those are good fillers. The entire series is comprised mainly of fillers. But those are very interesting and character developing fillers.
Naruto nor Bleach have good fillers. They both kinda...suck. And I don't shed tears for ridiculously retarded, totally cliched idiot finjas who wear orange and can't obviously see that cute, cliched, but still cute finjas totally like them.
And I don't shed tears for finjas that shave their legs and like to copy every 'cool guy' cliche in existence.
And you're right, Bleach just keeps coming up with excuses to fight. That's why that show sucks.
No, they don't have to have an interesting past to be a cool character. But Naruto acts like he was molested as a child, and beat when he was 3, and peed on everyday of his life. All while wearing a diaper over his head.
Pretty much every character is like that. They can still be a good character from their personality, or actions. Hell, even if they're tough they can be cool. But Naruto is a complete retard. Hence the word narutard. :3
And if you have something to say about my signature, PM me and don't go off topic in someone's thread. It's rude and against the rules.
...you guys...FILLERS DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS ANY PART FO THE ACTUAL STORY!!!there are place holders in the tv world....if they had just stopped naruto or bleach when they ran outta story from the manga and waited to catch up,then they would just cancel it.The fillers now have nothing to do with the actual main story....just some weird assistance talking and coming up with something....notice how none of the storys pertains to sasuke after a while,narutos training,or getting the story to go farther.Bleach fillers have nothing to do with its story either.they are just something to watch when there is nothing else too.dont judge an anime based on its story.if you want the reall one go read the manga.
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Wander wrote:
No, the fillers DO count because they're part of the NEW story and are part of the show that I am watching when I see Naruto. There's nothing wrong with fillers. But those fillers suck some power cock.
Take Ah! My Goddess! for example. Those are good fillers. The entire series is comprised mainly of fillers. But those are very interesting and character developing fillers.
Naruto nor Bleach have good fillers. They both kinda...suck. And I don't shed tears for ridiculously retarded, totally cliched idiot finjas who wear orange and can't obviously see that cute, cliched, but still cute finjas totally like them.
And I don't shed tears for finjas that shave their legs and like to copy every 'cool guy' cliche in existence.
And you're right, Bleach just keeps coming up with excuses to fight. That's why that show sucks.
No, they don't have to have an interesting past to be a cool character. But Naruto acts like he was molested as a child, and beat when he was 3, and peed on everyday of his life. All while wearing a diaper over his head.
Pretty much every character is like that. They can still be a good character from their personality, or actions. Hell, even if they're tough they can be cool. But Naruto is a complete retard. Hence the word narutard. :3
And if you have something to say about my signature, PM me and don't go off topic in someone's thread. It's rude and against the rules.
...you guys...FILLERS DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS ANY PART FO THE ACTUAL STORY!!!there are place holders in the tv world....if they had just stopped naruto or bleach when they ran outta story from the manga and waited to catch up,then they would just cancel it.The fillers now have nothing to do with the actual main story....just some weird assistance talking and coming up with something....notice how none of the storys pertains to sasuke after a while,narutos training,or getting the story to go farther.Bleach fillers have nothing to do with its story either.they are just something to watch when there is nothing else too.dont judge an anime based on its story.if you want the reall one go read the manga.
Look now. I think both of us know that fillers are not part of the story blablabla, and all about that place holders...
The thing is that even the manga is neverending without the fillers, watching the anime is tedious. and even reading the manga can be tedious. The thing is to compare the two series, not to praise them.
Now, Wander. I didn't say that they need an interesting past to be cooler, I'm just saying that grandfather died, brother died, mother died, and they all died so that the readers can watch a fight is super shallow. While in Naruto, when the past is interesting a character can be unique, and most characters have a unique story, and not a grandfather died buhuu story. Not only a story of the past. Like the part when Haku dies, that was a pretty strong part, and not just some "hiya!".
Wander wrote:
No, the fillers DO count because they're part of the NEW story and are part of the show that I am watching when I see Naruto. There's nothing wrong with fillers. But those fillers suck some power cock.
Take Ah! My Goddess! for example. Those are good fillers. The entire series is comprised mainly of fillers. But those are very interesting and character developing fillers.
Naruto nor Bleach have good fillers. They both kinda...suck. And I don't shed tears for ridiculously retarded, totally cliched idiot finjas who wear orange and can't obviously see that cute, cliched, but still cute finjas totally like them.
And I don't shed tears for finjas that shave their legs and like to copy every 'cool guy' cliche in existence.
And you're right, Bleach just keeps coming up with excuses to fight. That's why that show sucks.
No, they don't have to have an interesting past to be a cool character. But Naruto acts like he was molested as a child, and beat when he was 3, and peed on everyday of his life. All while wearing a diaper over his head.
Pretty much every character is like that. They can still be a good character from their personality, or actions. Hell, even if they're tough they can be cool. But Naruto is a complete retard. Hence the word narutard. :3
And if you have something to say about my signature, PM me and don't go off topic in someone's thread. It's rude and against the rules.
...you guys...FILLERS DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS ANY PART FO THE ACTUAL STORY!!!there are place holders in the tv world....if they had just stopped naruto or bleach when they ran outta story from the manga and waited to catch up,then they would just cancel it.The fillers now have nothing to do with the actual main story....just some weird assistance talking and coming up with something....notice how none of the storys pertains to sasuke after a while,narutos training,or getting the story to go farther.Bleach fillers have nothing to do with its story either.they are just something to watch when there is nothing else too.dont judge an anime based on its story.if you want the reall one go read the manga.
Look now. I think both of us know that fillers are not part of the story blablabla, and all about that place holders...
The thing is that even the manga is neverending without the fillers, watching the anime is tedious. and even reading the manga can be tedious. The thing is to compare the two series, not to praise them.
Now, Wander. I didn't say that they need an interesting past to be cooler, I'm just saying that grandfather died, brother died, mother died, and they all died so that the readers can watch a fight is super shallow. While in Naruto, when the past is interesting a character can be unique, and most characters have a unique story, and not a grandfather died buhuu story. Not only a story of the past. Like the part when Haku dies, that was a pretty strong part, and not just some "hiya!".
hmmm....makes sense....poor haku....
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How bout this? Both animes suck. Watching either of them is a waste of time. What's not a waste of time is reading their respective Manga's. They're both good for different reasons.
Naruto: Pros:
Emotionally Deep
Creative Villians
Cool powers
Cons:
Lost its humor and became Emo
Long-winded
Often boring story arcs
Had a tournament Plotline ( >_< )
Mediocre fights
Often resorts to Dragonball Z-ish "OMG my power lvl is higher than yours" syndrome
Bleach
Pros:
Original Storyline
Strong characters
Creative Villains
Cool Powers
Humorous
Intense and Awesome Fights
Cons:
Often relies on "cutsey" characters for gags
Not very emotionally deep
Shallow
Long-winded
Sometimes dumb dialogue
In the end, it comes down to personal opinion. And in my mind, the winner
is BLEACH
Negima's Pros:
-Girls all 31 to be Negi's partners
-Negi always learns something new
-There are always something with partners and their new moves and new partners
-No repetition
-Funnier than Naruto and Bleach
-Kamo is in there
-Magics = ftw
-Latins are cooler (j/k, but Latin is interesting. Same goes for Japanese and their kanjis )
Negima's Cons:
-Just the fact Negi is only 10. >_>;;
-The fact people think this anime is poor quality because there are only "girls loving a boy". It isnt though. It's about magic fighting too -- READ THE MANGA!
-Less fans. Need more!
Negima's Pros:
-Girls all 31 to be Negi's partners
-Negi always learns something new
-There are always something with partners and their new moves and new partners
-No repetition
-Funnier than Naruto and Bleach
-Kamo is in there
-Magics = ftw
-Latins are cooler (j/k, but Latin is interesting. Same goes for Japanese and their kanjis )
Negima's Cons:
-Just the fact Negi is only 10. >_>;;
-The fact people think this anime is poor quality because there are only "girls loving a boy". It isnt though. It's about magic fighting too -- READ THE MANGA!
-Less fans. Need more!
theres a negima thread around somewhere....
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I say Bleach, no competition. Now if you were talking about, about the japanese versions, then maybe I would bring Naruto up the chain a bit because in that he's not always saying ' BELIEVE IT!'. That just ticks me off my ticker. Bleach is overall just plain awesome.
Well if we compare both it would be almost be the war between 2 worlds in my country but definetaly Bleach is better than Naruto to my eyes.
Let me state why(chronologicaly without the fillers)
First impression:
Naruto: Okay he´s a ninja with a nine-tailed fox inside himself, now what
?
Bleach: OMGWTHWTTJH(created recently by me for nostalgic reasons) now he is a god damn Shinigami ready kick anyone ass and NO ONE know of this and still got a girl for himself.
First Real Battle:
Naruto: He almost killed Haku with that bloodysh chakra but Kakashi took all the fun and even being a man without any feelings I cried hard when Haku(that is a MAN!?!?) and Zabuza died on that bridge never to return from the dead and Sasuke(the main char until now) almost died and Sakuradid nothing(again) , this group is too lazy for any type of ninja .
Bleach: Ichigo got something inside him that can whoop even a Menos but still lost miserably to Renji and Byakuya and how the hell is the soul society.
Let´s skip some parts because since I don´t have much time
*Major Spoilers*
Climax or what happened before the filllers
Naruto: OMG, this must be the most scenary destructive battle in the whole world( but still can´t be compared to the worlds that no more exist because of the Sayans) and how it is possible to Naruto to lose to Sasuke just because he turned grey with frog wings(or frog hands instead of wings) with the level three sharingan even having kyubi on his command
Bleach: "Cogratulations for gaining the best fight in the world award for your fight with Byakuya after defeating almost the whole Soul Society and showing to public that even someone that fights for justice have in the deep core of their minds a beast that laugh over their opponents while rush to fight with all he got" Rick, Dothackers forum
My coclusion:
Naruto is a good anime in terms of relationship, fight and all that a shounen must have, but even so, Bleach do better.
(again, sorry if my english is poor)
naruto is better to me because there is a story behind it....we know the charactors...they have motives...and lives..
Bleach...rukia shows up...gives him so powers...he fights a few monsters...gos away...fights some peopel where he went....comes back...fights mre wierd people..goes away again....fights even weirder people.....thats all it is...just fighting....
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haseoxth wrote:naruto is better to me because there is a story behind it....we know the charactors...they have motives...and lives..
Bleach does have a plot. The characters do have motives... and lives. Also, Bleach does a good job describing each character... their personalities... history... and motive. (IMO) Bleach does a better job at this then Naruto.
haseoxth wrote:Bleach...rukia shows up...gives him so powers...he fights a few monsters...gos away...fights some peopel where he went....comes back...fights mre wierd people..goes away again....fights even weirder people.....thats all it is...just fighting....
You can say the same about Naruto.
Naruto and Bleach are both good series... but I prefer Bleach.
Multi-edge wrote:I can't speak right now, because I've only watched 12 episodes of Bleach while I have watched 145 episodes of Naruto.
ive read and watched bleach up to date...cept filler...i hate fillers.... ive read and watched naruto up to date...cept fillers...i hate fillers :evil:and i have to say i like naruto better...cuz well....ichigo seems only to want to get stronger....while naruto wants to get stronger because he wants to save sasuke....
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haseoxth wrote:...you guys...FILLERS DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS ANY PART FO THE ACTUAL STORY!!!there are place holders in the tv world....if they had just stopped naruto or bleach when they ran outta story from the manga and waited to catch up,then they would just cancel it.The fillers now have nothing to do with the actual main story....just some weird assistance talking and coming up with something....notice how none of the storys pertains to sasuke after a while,narutos training,or getting the story to go farther.Bleach fillers have nothing to do with its story either.they are just something to watch when there is nothing else too.dont judge an anime based on its story.if you want the reall one go read the manga.
...you guys...FILLERS DO IN FACT COUNT TOWARDS EVERY PART OF THE ACTUAL STORY!!! If the whole shows were more entertaining, then they wouldn't NEED 'place holders.'
Fillers are part of the story too. They are part of the show. It doesn't matter what you hope or wish, that's how it is. Technically, and in literal terms, there's no such thing as a filler. It's just another part of the show. Whether you like that part more of less than some other part is up to you.
But it is part of the series'. Both of these shows have absolutely horrible fillers that just drag on and on and on.
They're not even good fillers, either. I've seen Ah! My Goddess! and that was made almost entirely of fillers. But those were awesome fillers. These ones are repetetive and ridiculous. But fillers ARE part of the show, and if they suck, the show DOES lose points for that.
Period. Get over it.
ummm...im not gonna get over it for one reason....an adaption of a manga to an anime,if the anime derails from the orginal story line due to catching up to the manga,filler are made to hold the place of the show.if it were to take almost a year(aas with naruto....) to have a sufficent amont of story to make a season.....then the show will most likely get canceled...as with inuyasha....(aint that a ****)so fillers(as they are called by the stations)are used to hold the place of a show to allow fans to know that they show is coming back....fillers have no point cept that one...there is no advance in the story...fillers...
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