a verry offtopic queston.

[Chibisuke]

i reall good Question,

Does man controll and own Machine/Tech or do they own/controll Man?

(i'm intrested in what kind of responses this poll gets)

Me, i think at the way we're going Machine will Own/Controll us! but atm we own machine!

[Razy-chan]

hah i say machine owns man.once u use something u get used to using it and dunno how to use anything but that say if for work or sumthin. so yeah.....i got more reasons but tired right now so not gunna write them all

[Icemasta]

I am sure all will fall down like in the matrix lol.

[///AKUJIKI-E1N54MK317]

All I have to say is this: I can make a computer or a machine do whatever I want it to. They make my life easier, as I use them to make it that way. I can change them to do whatever whenever however I want.

But when it boils down to it, I mean I could go into AI (which I want) and all the other theroretical things, but I don't need to. It is our dependency on them that makes the machine own my soul. I am slave to my computer, and cannot live happily without it, as well as other machines, complex and simple. So IMO, they allready rule us. We just don't see it yet because they don't have a concious to tell us what we have done.


And then came Galatea.

[Ardo]

I don't think they rule all of us as a whole. I understand where you're coming from, E1N, about how you can't live happily w/out your computer and what not. But what about someone who doesn't own a computer, rarely uses one, or simply doesn't care for them? I don't think that the computer "rules" them. I think it's more of an individual thing.

Anyway, I don't think that technology as a whole owns/rules us at all. For the time being, it's quite the opposite. We just use it to make our lives more convenient.

[piko24]

i agree with ardo and yea for now we control machine but how can machine rule us shouldnt we be able to just turn it off

[mai]

Machines have control over man. Machines have no thought, no emotions, they are not alive and therefore a human cannot really control a machine. If your computer freezes up, what are you gonna do? Scold it until it feels guilty and starts working again? A machine doesn't need a human to live because it's simply not alive so why does it need us? But humans desperately need machines. What would happen if all our machines disappeared? We would have no idea how to survive without fridgerators, ovens, heating, weapons... we would be completely weak and helpless without machines.

[Chibisuke]

*get images of "Pluto's Kiss and Shudders*

[Ardo]

What would happen if all our machines disappeared? We would have no idea how to survive without fridgerators, ovens, heating, weapons... we would be completely weak and helpless without machines.

We would have to adapt. Simple as that. Also, what about all the people in third world countries that don't use computers or rely on technology for survival? What about the thousands of years humans have lived without the technology we have today?

[Nori Maki Misao]

uuuhhh i don't know...man will control machine, UNLESS you put a Gemini Circuit in them, lol. (i'm watching Android Kikaider right now) so yeah, i'd say Man over Machine unless the machine has a conscience

[solarismagnum]

I agree with E1N. Humans created technology to make life simpler, but in actuality, it's made it more complicated. Most animals have very few goals in life (eat, sleep, mate, and sometimes guard territory). Modernized humans generally do the same things, but on a whole other level. Could you imagine going out and finding prey to kill instead of just grabbing something to eat out of the fridge? Do you think a lion has any use for a calculator (whether it knows how to use one or not). Life is possible without technology, but I think that modernized people are beyond the point where we can still stand to live without it.

[///AKUJIKI-E1N54MK317]

By the way, you say we can control machines. I'm not just talking about computers, cars, and the like.

Think about that chair you are sitting in. Its a machine. So is your house; simple ones but it is a machine all in itsself. Everything can be made into a machine, you just have to know how to look at it. Your teeth and mouth is a machine. Without it, you couldn't eat. Given, you run on chemical energy for cellular respiration, but you move around with mechanical stuff. See? Machines mock their creators, so we are a machine in ourselves.

[Ardo]

I know everything is a machine, like you pointed out, E1N. Most people, including myself, probably do not think with that mindset. Due to the fact that this was questioned with Machine/Technology coupled together, I assumed we were talking about more advanced machines. Honestly, this debate would be easier if we were talking about technology and machines separately.

I agree with E1N. Humans created technology to make life simpler, but in actuality, it's made it more complicated. Most animals have very few goals in life (eat, sleep, mate, and sometimes guard territory). Modernized humans generally do the same things, but on a whole other level. Could you imagine going out and finding prey to kill instead of just grabbing something to eat out of the fridge? Do you think a lion has any use for a calculator (whether it knows how to use one or not). Life is possible without technology, but I think that modernized people are beyond the point where we can still stand to live without it.

No, I can't imagine going out and finding prey to kill. I haven't ever had to. However, that doesn't mean that, if need be, I wouldn't be able to. I could survive without technology if need be. Yeah, most modernized people may be beyond the point where we could stand to live without technology, but that doesn't mean all. Man on a whole could get (and did) along find without it.

[Murray]

It can go both ways depending on the exact circumstance. Some people are controlled by machines, obsessed with games or other technology, waste away because of this obsession, and I suppose you could say that the machine now has the power over them.

Because we rely on machines, does that mean that they have control over us? We control them, but rely on them. We rely on our own creations, in the end, relying on ourselves. We are not at their mercy, they are at ours. Even if someone relies on a machine at a hospital to live, their fate is not really decided by that machine. Their fate is decided by themselves, their body, their doctor. The machine is simply a tool of man.

Overall I believe that man still has the control.

[///AKUJIKI-E1N54MK317]

Being infatuated with a game is not being controlled by a machine. Thats a combination of having no life, and the fact that your human concousness and will are being driven to play the game. If you wanted to, you could still shut the game off and walk away, never to play again, and you are in control of just how you play the game.

And one note, Murray. We may depend on machines, but they have become a crutch. We can survive without them, it just won't be pretty. We use machines for everything, but it is us who uses them and makes them work. Until we create sentient machines, who may in turn learn to control us, we won't have a problem. Like I said, see Galatea.

[Isa of Azure Sky]

I didn't vote because it's both. We rely on them and they rely on us. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! THE MATRIX!!!!!!

[Dantomane]

man owns macheine..................................for now

[Evekru]

ATM men control machinery, for the most part; However some machines have complete power over man.

I'm sure there are some people who might not be able to live for 5 weeks if we were to live like they did in the 60's.

[milliennium_fox]

What's with all the topic resurrections Dantomane? I don't mind the rest, but this one?

[Maromi]

If you ever revive a topic this old ever again, it'll be your last post. Anything over six months old = no.

Four freaking years. F O U R. I mean, come on, Dantomane. On top of reviving long-dead threads, your posts in them are stupid and pointless.