Harald's Purpose for Corbenik

Tylec · Post by **Tylec** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:38 am

It seems as though Harald had to finish his system for the ultimate AI in a rush - while phases one through seven have a specific emotional response to research, Corbenik appears to be saddled with three categories:

Attachment to Life
Attraction of Death (suidical impulses?)
The Pure Heart (charity/selflessness?)

But hang on - Death is Skeith's category, while the desire to live, to propagate one's continued existence, sounds like Magus' department. As for the pure heart, Macha is supposed to seek out unrequited love, and I don't know if human interaction gets any more benevolent than around true love.

So, while Corbenik is granted the power to recompile itself into three different physical forms - the seed, the leaf, the eye - it appears expendable in the emotional research department.

Why would Harald clutter his system with an extra (and apparently excess) worker? Is there something more to this phase - a specific duty just for it and its triad of forms?

Xu Yuan · Post by **Xu Yuan** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:59 am

In my eyes, Cobinek is Morganna, in a nutshell, the whole essence of Morganna, compiled into these forms, I draw my conclusions from this

"Attachment to Life" Morganna, loved existing and iddn't want to give up her existence just for another "lesser" program.

"Attraction of Death" The data of Death was compiled in Skeith that is true, but... this implies a sort of "Morti" from LoTT Anime, it is possible Morganna lacked this notion... I'm not too sure on this one...

"The Pure Heart" It is difficult to say what this "Purity" refers to, I always looked at this as "The Pure Heart, or the core of the system". This is mostly considered "non-canon" but they wouldn't go through all that just to rely on theories that they made, without a base, those theories fall, but these seem to be more then theories, Kuukai, AuraTwilight and Shinsou may be able to answer this, what does it say of the eight phases inside Analysis?

Post by **Kuukai** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:12 am

Those easter eggs aren't actually considered canon, partly because of contradictions like that...

Xu Yuan · Post by **Xu Yuan** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:23 am

Is there any basis for some of this though? You'd expect them to try and compile analysis into 10-20 paragraphs in an extra, if they knew it was never going to be released in the states. Thouugh I am indeed curious... Is the only mention of the eight Phases in Analysis insoide that small snippet?

Post by **Kuukai** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:47 am

They mention them in a bunch of places... But Analysis says that Morganna made them to halt Aura's growth, they're not "collection" programs...

Xu Yuan · Post by **Xu Yuan** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:58 am

Ah, I think I can see the misconception, they "stored" data, by stopping it from getting to Aura's program to stop her growth, is that where the difficulty lies?

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:45 pm

Under the theory that the Phases are collection programs, Corbenic would mean about the following

Attachment to Life = self preservation
Attraction to Death = Kinda nessessary to have suicidal tendencies
Pure Heart = Morals and ethics.

Post by **Kuukai** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:31 pm

"Attraction to Death" would be the "who wants to live forever?" sort of thing...

But no, I'm pretty sure they're not "intercepting" data... They're physically stopping Aura from growing, by dowing things like splitting her into segments...

Birch · Post by **Birch** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:50 pm

Skeith is the TERROR of death.
Corbenik has ATTRACTION to death.

so murder vs. suicide basically

Tylec · Post by **Tylec** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:02 pm

Okay, I'm going to pick at this topic again - if the Phases were never intended to collect emotional data, then what was their role in the system before Morganna edited them into unbeatable monsters out to antagonize Aura?

Were they simply special-event bosses to be pitted against the players like the "One Sin" challenge?

Xu Yuan · Post by **Xu Yuan** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:08 pm

Defenitely not, it would seem though that the phases (at least their Epitaph Data was) were there from the beginning (just like Morganna) except... it's unknown why they were in there for say, some say Morganna created them, other's say they were there from the beginning, there are reasons to support both, but the underlying fact is... Corbinek is.. a spcial case, aminly because it's an eye, "The All Seeing Eye" which represents Morganna, which leads many to bvelieve Corbinek is a special case, it is the only phase, thaat shows it self as "a seed", "a leaf" and an eye, I'm not sure where the eye plays out in all this.

Post by **Kuukai** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:27 pm

The phases are all pieces of Morganna, but their monster forms didn't exist until Morganna created them...

Xu Yuan · Post by **Xu Yuan** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:48 pm

But it is confirmed that she drew them from the EPitaph Data that Harald had put in place, right?

Post by **Kuukai** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:22 pm

Since the system of The World was based on the Epitaph, and Morganna was said system, and also because they're named after the Epitaph and are called "epitaphs" in G.U., I'd say it's all but explicitly confirmed...

fenix · Post by **fenix** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:58 am

Well in the end of .hack//sign (episoe 27 I beilive) Sora was the first to experience Data Drain because he was going to betray Morganna (the voice that Tsukasa was talking to). After Sora got Data Drained she told Skieth to go after Aura. Then she also chooses someone else to be her faithful servant to corrupt Aura. I don't know if this helps any but I thought I put it out there.

Kite_2000 · Post by **Kite_2000** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:19 am

Didn't Harald create the Phases? o.o

Xu Yuan · Post by **Xu Yuan** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:13 pm

No... that's not the canon creation, the Liminality extra's fed to us American's are lies.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:43 pm

Well in the end of .hack//sign (episoe 27 I beilive) Sora was the first to experience Data Drain because he was going to betray Morganna (the voice that Tsukasa was talking to). After Sora got Data Drained she told Skieth to go after Aura. Then she also chooses someone else to be her faithful servant to corrupt Aura. I don't know if this helps any but I thought I put it out there.

Erm, no. She doesn't find a replacement for Tsukasa. It's too late to corrupt Aura since she's already woken up. Now Morganna's goal is to fragment her into pieces and seal them up. And also, Tsukasa was the first to experience Data Drain when he was pulled into the World.

Xu Yuan · Post by **Xu Yuan** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:21 pm

Couldn't it be argued that it was Harald whom first experienced a Data Drain thouugh as well?

Dimitri · Post by **Dimitri** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:27 pm

Xu Yuan wrote:Couldn't it be argued that it was Harald whom first experienced a Data Drain thouugh as well?

? Harald was never data drained, he just created an AI that had his personality and had his notes