Discussion on the top 10 RPGs on the Forum : You Chose

JonFireblade · Post by **JonFireblade** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:46 pm

hey now everyone, lets not get into a advertising war on this thread, this was created to be a way to dicusses RPGs already started and a few of them that (being already started) has potential of making to the top of the list, so no more 'advertising' for your own RPGs. Yes even I will stop mentioning things about //Clan, (although ours is almost finished and I'm not attempting to get ppl to join.) so yea lets try and keep it on the subject of which story was most intresting/well written/ organized/ made sense/ was entertaining/ wasn't too over the top......yea, You get the idea.

I wrote a short review on .Hack //War ((please dont go posting your own reviews, unless you PM me First and I'll talk to you about it and we'll see if we can work something out))

Rating- scoring: 1 (bad)-10(best)

(1)- Don't read it, it'll make your brain melt
(2)-Terrible
(3)-Bad
(4)-Needs work
(5)-Average
(6)-Fair
(7)-Good
(8 ))-Excellent
(9)-Almost perfect
(10)-Pro Writter. (Get yourself a Job)

6/19/06
.Hack//War--7/10--Good
(-)too over the top, hard to keep track of.
(+) Heroism noteable, fast paced if you like that.

I went ahead and read the first couple pages of the Rpg. I got to page 4 and was seriously turned off by the completely unoriginal ideas, the bracelet, people not being able to log out and so on. In my opinion it’s just a bit fast placed with everything going on, but some people like it that way so it up to the reader. I will how ever give them credit that the farther I got into the story They did start coming around in the end as to offering explanations to what was happening and what not, so it wasn’t half bad. The big problem I had was that after 22 pages they were all still going at it trying to show off bigger and better powers, fight after fight, drama after drama. No offence but (For me at least) that kinda turned it off for me to read ( being some one on the outside looking in on the story), I mean seriously some of that stuff was getting pretty weird at the end. However at the end of things I had to admire some of the heroism even if it was kind of far fetched. So all told the only thing I had against it was that in the end (when the cost is counted) sometimes a slice of humble pie is better then a $100 fancy piece of cake. But all around good job.

wave killer · Post by **wave killer** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:35 pm

Thanks for the review JFB, yeah we did over do the whole fighting thing at the end but I guess everybody wanted to get a chance to kill the enemy at the end. So I tried to let them all have a part in the fight. The whole bracelet thing, and people unable to leave the game thing, I tried to make it keep a .hack feel but seeing the end of it we just forgot to. But thanks for the review, I'll be sure to remember that in the next RP I make.=)

nekoryuuha · Post by **nekoryuuha** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:01 pm

Thank you Jonfireblade. I find it's always good to have someone that can tell you the problems without trying to cover up anything. It helps improvement of writing. It's true we got a little too much into trying to kill the enemy, but it just happens sometimes unfortunely.

JonFireblade · Post by **JonFireblade** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:38 pm

It's true we got a little too much into trying to kill the enemy, but it just happens sometimes unfortunely.

and I understand that, i mean what it really boils down to is everyone got really into it, which is fine of course and normal, but from someone on the out side looking in it just kinda seemed weird. But its easy for that to happen, the trick is to figure out where the border between sweet action and over the top is. for example: even tho Neo (in the matrix series) was an incredibly good fighter, he still had weaknesses and limits...but then again so did Smith. The idea is to establish boundries to what can take place; and in this case keeping close to whats capable in the game is a good idea, the trick is to add a lil sum thing sum thing in order to make it intresting. All around you guys did do a prety good job.

PS: I'm going to going to pump out another Review but before that...
Anyone who manages to read this, go ahead and comment on the RPGs as well, the more input the better at this point.

So,... IF anyone thinks I understand what I'm talking about

I dont have a problem with ppl requesting Reviews for RPGs. I got time on my hands, its vaction for me. I enjoy this type of thing.

JonFireblade · Post by **JonFireblade** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:10 pm

Review of ----> .Hack// End in [d e s p a i r]

Rating- scoreing 1 (bad)-10(best)

(1- Don't read it it'll make your brain melt
(2-Terrible
(3-Bad
(4-Needs work
(5-Average
(6-Fair
(7-Good
(8-Excellent
(9-Almost perfect
(10-Pro Writter. (Get yourself a Job)

6/19/06

.Hack// End in [d e s p a i r] --- 8/10-- Excellent
(-) just a tad slow paced, ultimate goal not really established
(+) Description was excellent, the characters held the down to earth feeling.

Although a little slow to start with it is in fact a pretty deceit story. I liked it, I really did. The people were level headed, the action was pretty cool and not over done. Although at page 5 an ultimate goal still hadn't been established but that's ok. The good guys were good and the bad guys were bad and really ticked me off; which was good because that’s what bad guys are supposed to do. All around it was extremely well written, the description was good and everyone was able to maintain a sense of still being human even though they were doing cool action stuff. Some places bordered on over the top but they did a real good job of keeping it well under control. All around this is an excellent example of a good RGP. So good job guys, try and maintain the level of writing.

Kite_2000 · Post by **Kite_2000** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:39 pm

Hey, I was thinking that maybe a bunch of us could group together and make an awesome .hack Role Play.

I mean, come on! If we've got the brain, let's use the brain!

Title, story, plot, twists and characters. Everyone on the RP forums definately do a good job with these. Just need a bit of toughening up.

Well, back to the point.

WHO'S WITH ME?!

Darkmetrau · Post by **Darkmetrau** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:13 am

i am we all have great ideas we need teamwork to put them together and make the rp of a life time

elk4 · Post by **elk4** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:36 am

yah that would so rock

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:01 am

I've always been afraid of instigating Rps on boards like this one... ¬_¬

Mainly because people appear to be more leniant with what they allow Rpers to do and I would end up making up a lot of rules.

For example, there are no Werewolves in The World R:2, there are players that look like wolves but no players that can switch between Wolf and Human appearences.

See what I mean? Far less people would be interested... they'd also probably have to be accepted by me and have to include a good, literate Rp sample.

JonFireblade · Post by **JonFireblade** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:35 pm

For example, there are no Werewolves in The World R:2, there are players that look like wolves but no players that can switch between Wolf and Human appearences.

See what I mean? Far less people would be interested... they'd also probably have to be accepted by me and have to include a good, literate Rp sample.

I agree Umbra, the under laying problem with Rps is that they go over the top or try and find new ways of bending /breaking the rules of the already intriguing .hack series. The problem is that everyone wants to be the hero or the bad guy, and they all want to do really cool stuff that makes everyone go wow, and bla bla bla. you get the idea.

as for Kite_2000. the bigest problem is not the willingness to do sweet rpgs.....;its the people in them, its the fact that its really really hard to communicate properly on the internet via this web site. its hard for a group of people to be able to speak freely about ideas with out someone or the other knocking down their ideas and then people get mad and bla bla bla, you get the idea.

The bigest thing is being able to communicate properly. See it kinda ruins an rpg topic for the people in it to talk about their ideas with each other and discuss what they plan on doing and what not, because it spams up the topic and ruins it for intrested ppl trying to read the rpg. now the alternative to this is private messaging each other. but again you're left in a jam because you can only talk via PM two ways, its not like a chat room where lots of ppl can talk about stuff. only two people can talk to each other at a time doing a private message.

So that right there is the biggest problem with rpgs on the site, is that its hard to keep in touch with each other out side the topic for the story. which is also why, unless something changes, there probably will never be an 'ultimate RPG'. #1 because its hard to communicate with a large group of people on this site, and #2 when you get more then 5-8 people doing a story, they tend to get either left behind whent he story takes off or just plane left out of the story.

so there's your answer. And believe me when I tell you that our problem isn't the first time someone has incountered this. The answer to all of it is: #1. deal with these types of stories involving small numbers of people
OR
#2: Go pro. and get a job doing this type of stuff where companies have money to support this type of thing.

either way its a messy situation. the only thing that will cause this type of problem to chang is unless someone figures out a way that:

A) a group for people can talk to each other over the internet at the same in order to discuss: what happenes in the story/ discuss rules and limits/ all the other stuff. (the problem with chat rooms/ instant message is that everyone has to be on at the same time. not easy considering time zones.)
OR
B) everyone can leave each other messages here on a bord in order to disscuss everything mentioned above, (story plot, ect.)

so thats it, there will never be an ultimate RPG until the mods make secure message forums that only the authors of the RPGs can access.

Basicly,if you wanted to start an rpg you'd have to first set up a topic in the normal forum just like we've always done, this allows the author to recurit ppl to join his or her RPG story. When you have the number people you want. Then you'd have to go to a Mod./Admin. and request a secure forum for writing an rpg, then an adminstrator would give you the bord and the pass word to get into it or what not, then the author could give the other ppl in the rpg the abilty to access the bord. This bord would be special in the sense that only those in the rpg could get into it. Then they could disscuss the story and what not with out having to spam up the story in the topics that the general public would read. When they get done talking over one part of the story, the author or who ever would post it on the original RPG topic here for everyone to read( you know an open topic in which anyone can read, aka--> the normal topics that we've already been using)

So there's the answer Kite_2000, either accept doing rpgs the way they are or get an Adminastrator to set private bords for the writers of rpgs. ( or of course you can get creative and figure out another way.) Sry guys, I dont mean to crush anyones ideas its just the way things are at the moment.

Dark_sora · Post by **Dark_sora** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:37 pm

Kite_2000 wrote:Hey, I was thinking that maybe a bunch of us could group together and make an awesome .hack Role Play.

I mean, come on! If we've got the brain, let's use the brain!

Title, story, plot, twists and characters. Everyone on the RP forums definately do a good job with these. Just need a bit of toughening up.

Well, back to the point.

WHO'S WITH ME?!

Im with you I'll do it!!!!! ^^

AlphaBlades · Post by **AlphaBlades** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:53 pm

Wow, when did Rping become such an extreme event? I'm sorry if I sound out of line, but it's been urking me for awhile as I read the two pages of this.

I get that you wanna rate the RP's to see which one the people like the most, a little compitition is always welcomed. But your definition of HOW you got the 10 Rp's is outragous.. For the main reason that you're opinions obviously don't match the opinions of others. And now, I really don't get how you are JUDGING the RP's individually, such as //WAR. Telling us the pros and cons of 'good' RPing. I think the only thing I agreed with you on is the fact that 'as long as the RP'ers got into it. (etc)" because that's what they're here for.

I didn't know RP's were suppose to appease outside readers.. I thought it was there for the people playing. I mean, they're open to EVERYONE, so if you didn't like what you were reading, then you wouldn't sign up and you'd go find something else.. Right? I know it sounds selfish.. But the Rp's aren't for people to read, it's to flesh out a personal experience/adventure/journey/etc for the people IN IT. I mean... NO ONE knows how the plot's going to turn out.. So if you're not fimilar with who you are RPing with then OF COURSE the beginning/middle/or end will be choppy. But who cares? As long as the people learn to feed off of each other, it could be a very enjoyable time.. Right? I mean, we're not aiming for novels here. If you're RP went super-Matrix and your people are throwing planets at each other just to do some damage then MORE power to ya! Are you having fun playing the role of a planet throwing badass? You are? GOOD, keep at it!! .. THAT'S an RP, right..?

I'm sorry if any of this came off offensive, I just don't see how people think they judge any sort of work on the RP board in any fashion, or delegate the 'perfect' RP team by turning in a "Good, literate RP sample"

To each, his own. As it should be.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:34 am

Ever tried joining the Advanced Rps on Avidgamers? Compared to some of the people on there, JonFireblade is being very leniant and friendly towards all your faults.

Even .hack//Clan, the Rp I was a part of, had a number of faults. The near invincible nature of Kite_2000's Hikaru led to me having to increase my own character's power beyond the norm in order to pheasibly take on her.

The drama was good, but at some points it went beyond the norm for a game world, such as the mourning of PCs 'killed' in the game without giving any knowledge of what happened to them on the outside.

Rping can be an extreme event for some, I find it stimulates the mind, but Rping with one-liners, power-players, god-moders or so-called 'illiterates' isn't stimulating at all. Heck, I even get uncomfortable when people Rp in first-person because my time on Avidgamers conditioned me to Rping in third-person.

While I seem quite exact in my approach and possibly even complaining needlessly, I was one of the most leniant Rp Admins on Avidgamers.

Crim99 · Post by **Crim99** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:48 am

Alpha makes a very good point, but this whole things hardly even matters.

The idea of critiquing stories is nice; giving some constructive suggestions to people who ask for them is wonderful, friendly, and all that junk.

If people care about the opinions of these folks, then fine; they'll take the opinons, suggestions, and reviews to heart and decide whether these ideas are legitimate or not, ultimatly concluding upon something that can better their RPing style.

If not, then nobody cares. RP with whomever you want, however you want; there will always be morons to get mad at, so have at it all, ye judgement dealers! You've got a lot of work ahead of you.

AlphaBlades · Post by **AlphaBlades** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:49 am

THAT'S the point I'm trying to make. We're not aiming for some crazed RP board where everything's flawless. At least I'M not, I'm just here to enjoy it in a relaxed matter. If you're into hardcore kind of rules and people that PLAN out what's gonna happen before you even do it, then do something about it. If you can't find one here, go to a place like Avidgamers. But you CANNOT JUDGE others on how that act. How you and Jonfireblade pick at the flaws or even the praises of RP's or individuals or anything relating to the subject is agrivating. I don't come here to be ranked on my skills. I come here to enjoy myself, as many others around here.

If you take your RPing seriously, which I can tell you do, then you'll have a harder time finding people to interact with that aren't already in your circle. If you're ok with that, then more power to you. Just stop inserting your views into RP's you're not even in.

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Sorry, Crim99, for posting right on your heels there =P

Kite_2000 · Post by **Kite_2000** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:59 am

Well, I agree with Alpha, but I also like RP's with deep stories and a lot of fighting.

I'm part of.........6? 7? Role Playing sites in cluding this one and hey, I never get sick of it ^_^

so mainly...I think I'll drop my idea...0_o it does sound hard after listening to Jon...

Role Playing let's me think of something other than studying ^_^

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:50 am

AlphaBlades wrote:THAT'S the point I'm trying to make. We're not aiming for some crazed RP board where everything's flawless. At least I'M not, I'm just here to enjoy it in a relaxed matter. If you're into hardcore kind of rules and people that PLAN out what's gonna happen before you even do it, then do something about it. If you can't find one here, go to a place like Avidgamers. But you CANNOT JUDGE others on how that act. How you and Jonfireblade pick at the flaws or even the praises of RP's or individuals or anything relating to the subject is agrivating. I don't come here to be ranked on my skills. I come here to enjoy myself, as many others around here.

If you take your RPing seriously, which I can tell you do, then you'll have a harder time finding people to interact with that aren't already in your circle. If you're ok with that, then more power to you. Just stop inserting your views into RP's you're not even in.

No one was ever judging people, but judging the game that they were playing, which is quite usual. If you believe I was judging you then I apologise, I never thought I made any comments based upon your personality or any traits of your self. So maybe you should take things much less personally and try not to judge people when they attempt to give advice or support. If you do not learn to do that then you won't learn and that will result in you alienating yourself from those who do.

You seem to believe I agree completely with what Jon is saying, I prefer this Rping board because it isn't so serious, but I think rules are an important thing, it is much more aggrivating to see a post like 'i walked in and sat down and said "hello how are you my name is sashimi"' than it is to support the fact that Jon says we could all improve.

In the end, Rps are stories, and stories don't work without rules and a storyline. Individual Rpers can decide upon a conclusion to their own character from the start, it may even be altered by events during the Rp, but the creator of an Rp must decide upon what will happen in the setting of the story and how the events you wish to base the story upon occur.

No Rp is perfect, when so many people get together, its bound to be flawed, but that's the point. To identify your flaws and build upon them in order to improve your abilities. If you do so then people will have more fun playing with you and you can have more fun playing with them. It doesn't take much brains, that is, in fact, one of the most relaxing activities I can think of.

In the end, you can't really take Rping seriously, those who do wouldn't bother looking at this forum because there is no chance to develop little circles. I mean I don't have a circle, the closest thing I have to a circle are the few people from .hack//Clan, whom I've Rped with once. I'm betting that you probably have more of a circle than I do, because if you didn't then you wouldn't be so defensive when someone else criticises you.

I think you would agree that arguing isn't much fun at all, I don't come here to argue and yet you force me to, which is no fun at all. The very idea that you believe I Rp out of obligation is quite insulting, I use the internet for fun, and when you attempt to drag seriousness and personal beliefs into it then I do tend to develop a short fuse. So I am asking you not to argue with me and to have fun, because the more you argue with me, the less fun it will be for the both of us.

JonFireblade · Post by **JonFireblade** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:03 pm

Alpha first off I want to say here and now that I dont intend on getting into a arguement over this. so working from that point I'd like to list my reasons for doing what I'm doing.

First off understand that when I started Rping here I did so to meet intresting ppl and have some fun by putting a few of my ideas in some Rps. Second is that no matter how you look at it: Rping is in fact a STORY. and thats why i love reading them so much, thats the reason I enjoy .Hack// in general. Becasue its a story with twist and turns, battles and peace. Because I'm really into that type of thing.

However becaue a Rp is a story I found that sometimes ppl ......well could use some help, so to say. I mean, don't you want to become better at what you enjoy doing? Don't you want to strive to be better?

I like role playing, its fun and I enjoy it, but I also enjoy becoming better at it, so that its more fun. I try and improve as best I can in terms of writing stragey and skill. I like to make my stories intresting so that other ppl enjoy reading them and so they might get a kick out of them too. I mean, Doesnt it make more sense for a story to be enjoyed by alot of ppl instead of just the ppl writing the rp? There are ways of trying to improve your Rping abilites and also having fun, all you have to do it go at it with the attitude that "I'm going to do my best at this and try and have some fun while doing it." All you got to do is try and find the balence between being hard-core and too laid back. all you got to do is try and not repeat mistakes you've made in the past EX: In .hack//clan I made the mistake of taking control of one of the ppls characters, I had every intention to give her back control, but she didnt see it that way. Opps my bad, so I made the same mistake again although not as badly. Hence a sharp learning curve. and what do you know I learned from it and it made me a better Role player. And thats all you got to do, learn for your mistakes and become a lil better.

Now then,my only intention is to have this topic be a place where anyone can get advice on how to be better at Role playing, and not just from me by no means, this should be a place where the more experienced ppl can help the less experienced ppl. And after all if you dont like my opinions, or anyone elses for that matter, then thats what the lil red X button in the top right hand corner is for.

So if you dont mind please,enough with the argument, unless theres something you dont agree with, then by all means say so. "its a free country"

Shikuza_Ame · Post by **Shikuza_Ame** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:30 pm

I agree with Hikaru. If we all get together, we can come up with the best RP this website has ever had. Of course, we are going to need serious people who are willing to be fair about other peoples ideas and decisions based on the RP.

I also agree with Alpha. To each his own. However, thats besides that point. In this case we are all going to have to come up with a great RP. Once again, I need remind you, it will have to take serious people and and serious thinking.

as for my favorite Rp, I can't say. I've only completed one RP and I havn't yet read other RPs.

JonFireblade · Post by **JonFireblade** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:09 pm

I agree with Hikaru. If we all get together, we can come up with the best RP this website has ever had. Of course, we are going to need serious people who are willing to be fair about other peoples ideas and decisions based on the RP.

hmmm i think that'd be intresting, and Shikuza_Ame is right, you're going to need some "hard core" role players, r at least deticated. One thing I think I should point out, not everyone will be able to play major roles if there are a large number of people. Only a few can be the heros, and only a few can be the vilinans, at least in terms of the major heros/villians.
The only other choice I can see at the moment woud be that everyone playes equal roles. But thats just a suggestion, No one has to take me up on it.

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