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If I have all my facts straight, the situation in GU doesn't become a net crisis until vol. 3 probably after Yata's epitaph awakens, but, in the end it seems to me that Jun asking Pai to bring the Tarvos avatar into The World did more bad than good. If Tarvos had of stayed in Jun's PC, or perferably deleted then Cubia probably would never be able to become independent from Ovan.

To wrap things up, do you think that bringing Tarvos in The World was a horrible mistake, or would the 3rd Net Crisis still of happened with just Skeith, Innis, Magus, Fidchell, Gorre, Macha, Corbenik, and the dummy avatar.

I dont think the new Cubia need the avatars.I think it was more like born out of the AIDA in Ovans arm.

I find it unlikely that Yata hasn't awakened his Epitaph yet, especially considering his knowledge of them.

Ryuuka wrote:I find it unlikely that Yata hasn't awakened his Epitaph yet, especially considering his knowledge of them.

Are you saying its lying dormant? Or are you implying he isnt using it yet? Because of his knowledge (and schemes) it would appear as if he is fully aware of Fidchelle. Just is saving it for the time being.

Basically, I think he has awoken it, but just doesn't use it because he has Pi and Kuhn to fight AIDA for him.

Wan...your sig is friggen hypnotizing...

Ahh Z.O.E...

I bet I was one of the few people who didn't just buy it for the MGS demo when it was first released.

I find it unlikely that Yata hasn't awakened his Epitaph yet, especially considering his knowledge of them.

Before Haseo awoke Skeith he was fully aware of it's power after witnessing Magus destroy an AIDA, Macha defeat three players in one hit and Pai and Kuhn telling him about data drain; the reason he couldn't use Skeith was because he wasn't in a situation where he was able to summon it, (in his case a situation where he felt terror because of his character's death).

I dont think the new Cubia need the avatars.I think it was more like born out of the AIDA in Ovans arm.

Judging from what we know about the nature of Cubia,and how he is used to balance any kind of unstable element inserted into The World (such as the bracelet); he would most likely be born from the avatars unless they pull an odd unforeseen plot twist.

I wonder what would've happened if Jun didnt mess the RA plan by taking out Tarvos, and Amagi's plan would've worked as accorded...
Maybe the result would be worse than Cubia and the 3rd Network Crisis

awkward_confusion wrote:

I find it unlikely that Yata hasn't awakened his Epitaph yet, especially considering his knowledge of them.

Before Haseo awoke Skeith he was fully aware of it's power after witnessing Magus destroy an AIDA, Macha defeat three players in one hit and Pai and Kuhn telling him about data drain; the reason he couldn't use Skeith was because he wasn't in a situation where he was able to summon it, (in his case a situation where he felt terror because of his character's death).

I dont think the new Cubia need the avatars.I think it was more like born out of the AIDA in Ovans arm.

Judging from what we know about the nature of Cubia,and how he is used to balance any kind of unstable element inserted into The World (such as the bracelet); he would most likely be born from the avatars unless they pull an odd unforeseen plot twist.

I don't think cubia is born from the Avatars, he also is an anti existance, also like how cubia was after Aura all the time it may be a similar system

awkward_confusion wrote:

I find it unlikely that Yata hasn't awakened his Epitaph yet, especially considering his knowledge of them.

Before Haseo awoke Skeith he was fully aware of it's power after witnessing Magus destroy an AIDA, Macha defeat three players in one hit and Pai and Kuhn telling him about data drain; the reason he couldn't use Skeith was because he wasn't in a situation where he was able to summon it, (in his case a situation where he felt terror because of his character's death).

Actually, Haseo's situation had nothing to do with his character's death. It had to do for the feelings of hatred towards Ovan for what he felt was betrayal to the Twilight Brigade and Shino, as well as to himself.

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Tsugasa-kun wrote:

awkward_confusion wrote:

I find it unlikely that Yata hasn't awakened his Epitaph yet, especially considering his knowledge of them.

Before Haseo awoke Skeith he was fully aware of it's power after witnessing Magus destroy an AIDA, Macha defeat three players in one hit and Pai and Kuhn telling him about data drain; the reason he couldn't use Skeith was because he wasn't in a situation where he was able to summon it, (in his case a situation where he felt terror because of his character's death).

I dont think the new Cubia need the avatars.I think it was more like born out of the AIDA in Ovans arm.

Judging from what we know about the nature of Cubia,and how he is used to balance any kind of unstable element inserted into The World (such as the bracelet); he would most likely be born from the avatars unless they pull an odd unforeseen plot twist.

I don't think cubia is born from the Avatars, he also is an anti existance, also like how cubia was after Aura all the time it may be a similar system

Cubia is the anti-existance of the Avatars, or at least that's the best theory about him
Aura is out of this.

If I have all my facts straight, the situation in GU doesn't become a net crisis until vol. 3 probably after Yata's epitaph awakens, but, in the end it seems to me that Jun asking Pai to bring the Tarvos avatar into The World did more bad than good. If Tarvos had of stayed in Jun's PC, or perferably deleted then Cubia probably would never be able to become independent from Ovan.

To wrap things up, do you think that bringing Tarvos in The World was a horrible mistake, or would the 3rd Net Crisis still of happened with just Skeith, Innis, Magus, Fidchell, Gorre, Macha, Corbenik, and the dummy avatar.

Well, let's assume Cubia became independant from Ovan because all eight Avatars awakened (it's only speculation). If Tarvos wasn't introduced, sure, you wouldn't have Cubia, but you'd have the AIDA running around, unstoppable without the might of all eight Avatars. Thus the 3rd Network Crisis would happen (it's the AIDA's doing, not Cubia) and the entire human race would be inslaved to the AIDA.

I find it unlikely that Yata hasn't awakened his Epitaph yet, especially considering his knowledge of them.

We know for a fact he hasn't.

I wonder what would've happened if Jun didnt mess the RA plan by taking out Tarvos, and Amagi's plan would've worked as accorded...
Maybe the result would be worse than Cubia and the 3rd Network Crisis

Amagi would've become God over the internet, uploaded into the network as the Ultimate AI. It wouldn't of been a Network Crisis, but god knows he'd have been one hell of a tyrant.

Actually, Haseo's situation had nothing to do with his character's death. It had to do for the feelings of hatred towards Ovan for what he felt was betrayal to the Twilight Brigade and Shino, as well as to himself.

No, he's right. It was all about Haseo's terror.

It wasn't the dummy avatar that caused the failure of the RA plan. The R.A. plan was destined to fail the moment Amagi became one of the project heads of GU. Or at least thats what I got from Jun's theory.

According to him The Ultimate AI was finaly born with one act of selflessness (in this case when Aura sacrificed her life to destroy Corbenik). Essentialy Aura caring for The World, The internet and the people in it was what finaly made her an Ulitmate AI.

Amagi didn't give a rats ass about The World or the internet. It was all about him, all he cared was surpasing Harald's genius by making himself the ulitmate AI. The failure of the RA plan and Amagi's insanity was essentialy The World telling him to go f*** himself for being such a selfish A-hole.

As long as we're all throwing ideas out there, it's also possible that this new Cubia is the anti-existence to the artificial Aura that CyberConnect is trying to create. The more Avatars awakened, the more this new AI grows. The more the new AI grows, the more the anti-existence evolves.

If Cubia is indeed connected to the AIDA infections, then their behavior and growth could be explained as a means of defending the network from the new Ultimate AI.

In AIDA's early stage, they went after Epitaph Users directly using their own gelationus forms. Brute force seemed their preferred method of attack. At this point, only Magus, Travos, Skieth, Maha, and a possible Corbenik were active.

AIDA's second stage, they became more intelligent and strategic. However, because they were still too weak to battle, they infected players and used them as hosts to fight with. They tried infecting Epitaph Users, but the player's strong connection to their PCs kept interfering. By the end of the game, Gorre and Innis joined the awakened ones.

The third stage, as seen attacking Haseo, were able to overcome him despite his almost fully awakened Avatar. The X Form upgrade, however, seems immune to the AIDA as well as Fidchell's awakening force the AIDA to release the big guns, Cubia.

So, all and all, the third crisis could have been easily avoidable if the R.A. plan didn't exist and/or the Avatars never awakened.

So, all and all, the third crisis could have been easily avoidable if the R.A. plan didn't exist and/or the Avatars never awakened.

But then the Network would've on the loose. The missing of Aura caused the Network to be unstable, which is why they had to go through the RA plan.

But i'm not sure if they forcefully needed an Ultimate AI to fix the net (maybe because of Harald screwing it somehow since Fragment), or they could've fixed it with another means.

Given enough time they probably could've fixed it to the degree it was back before Aura became the Ultimate AI, so before .hack//Quarantine ended. However, people had become so used to this new network over the last 5 years (or was it 6?) that the RA plan was much more preferable then taking the data they had and rebuilding what existed before Aura achieved her basic god-hood over the net

It wasn't the dummy avatar that caused the failure of the RA plan. The R.A. plan was destined to fail the moment Amagi became one of the project heads of GU. Or at least thats what I got from Jun's theory.

According to him The Ultimate AI was finaly born with one act of selflessness (in this case when Aura sacrificed her life to destroy Corbenik). Essentialy Aura caring for The World, The internet and the people in it was what finaly made her an Ulitmate AI.

Amagi didn't give a rats ass about The World or the internet. It was all about him, all he cared was surpasing Harald's genius by making himself the ulitmate AI. The failure of the RA plan and Amagi's insanity was essentialy The World telling him to go f*** himself for being such a selfish A-hole.

You're totally right. Might I add that he would've never made the Dummy Avatar if he had any kindness for Za Warudo, so it kind've ties together.

As long as we're all throwing ideas out there, it's also possible that this new Cubia is the anti-existence to the artificial Aura that CyberConnect is trying to create. The more Avatars awakened, the more this new AI grows. The more the new AI grows, the more the anti-existence evolves.

AI's don't cast Anti-Existences. Only illegal power in the hands of a PC seems to do so.

So, all and all, the third crisis could have been easily avoidable if the R.A. plan didn't exist and/or the Avatars never awakened.

Well, duh. That's kind've the whole point of the Avatars being a dangerous power. The Second Network Crisis would've never happened if there was never A World. But as we've seen with that, the fruits of that crisis (The friendships forged, the lives saved, the AI's that were born) far outweighed a few hours of technological malfunction. Clearly the same will occur with R:2's crisis.

But i'm not sure if they forcefully needed an Ultimate AI to fix the net (maybe because of Harald screwing it somehow since Fragment), or they could've fixed it with another means.

The way the Twilight Incident restructured the Network, an Ultimate AI is a vital requirement.

Given enough time they probably could've fixed it to the degree it was back before Aura became the Ultimate AI, so before .hack//Quarantine ended. However, people had become so used to this new network over the last 5 years (or was it 6?) that the RA plan was much more preferable then taking the data they had and rebuilding what existed before Aura achieved her basic god-hood over the net

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