The Ending of Rebirth

Kite_2000 · Post by **Kite_2000** » Sun May 28, 2006 3:01 am

Okay, I saw this...anyways:

After the fight with the avatar Tri Edge, I saw that the train station lockers opened up and attacked Atoli which made her faint. But isn't that stuff that attacked her the dark matter stuff that Endrance was messin around with?

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Sun May 28, 2006 5:06 am

Not sure if this is a spoiler, but it concerns the black matter.

The 'black matter' appears to, in fact, be the essence of AIDA. Endrance is an AIDA-PC and, therefore, this would be connected to him. However, most other AIDA also give of this same stuff. So whether or not the lockers are connected to Endrance remains to be seen.

One thing that is interesting is that Tri-Edge is the only AIDA seen that does not give off this black matter

elk4 · Post by **elk4** » Sun May 28, 2006 7:39 am

black matter whats that?

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Sun May 28, 2006 7:41 am

The black stuff Endrance is seen playing with has been commonly dubbed black matter, though that's not its official name.

Kiru · Post by **Kiru** » Sun May 28, 2006 1:57 pm

It's Orca, Guarantee it, it makes the sound of a whale and kinda looks like one, it's the Orca Variation of Tri-Edge.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Sun May 28, 2006 2:22 pm

You think Orca will return in the form of a whale? ¬_¬

It looks more like a worm/serpent/eel thing to me, a very simple shape...

KimageRagna · Post by **KimageRagna** » Sun May 28, 2006 2:52 pm

Umbra wrote:You think Orca will return in the form of a whale? ¬_¬

It looks more like a worm/serpent/eel thing to me, a very simple shape...

Orca is an species of whale (I think...I know it has something to do with fish lol) so it makes perfect sense to make the black matter look like a whale IF there is to be an Orca variation of Tri-Edge to appear in the following game.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Sun May 28, 2006 2:54 pm

I know that an Orca is a Killer Whale, I just mean that they won't have a whale in GU just because there's an AIDA Orca.

There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that Orca will turn up at all, he doesn't even play as great a part as Kite.

KimageRagna · Post by **KimageRagna** » Sun May 28, 2006 3:02 pm

There is no evidence to suggest against it is there?

The two sillouettes in the vol 2 preview look a lot like sillouettes of Balmung and Orca. They might not play as big as a part as Kite but Orca and Balmung were also 'Of the Azure ____'. So it is likely that an Orca and Balmung variation of Tri-egde will appear.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Sun May 28, 2006 3:11 pm

There is evidence against it, or rather, its logical to assume that it is not the case.

Orca was never an especially massive character, numerous characters such as Blackrose, Balmung, Helba, Tsukasa, Sora, etc. played much bigger parts.

He is also not mentioned in the Terminal Disk given alongside GU in any context outside his role in the original games.

I do agree that Orca and Balmung could easily be connected due to Tri-Edge's second name, however, I disagree with the notion that the silhouettes in the preview resemble either Balmung or Orca, let alone the pair of them.

I may be wrong, but it doesn't seem logical.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sun May 28, 2006 3:18 pm

One of the sillohoutes looked a bit like Ovan in my opinion.

but Balmung and Orca returning is just stupid. They don't even have any Black box protection to help them survive the fire. I'd believe an AIDA of Shugo or Tsukasa over them.

*DATA BUG* · Post by ***DATA BUG*** » Sun May 28, 2006 10:32 pm

gosh... this was discussed in another thread.

but i guss i sum that one up.

So some1 took so balmung and me screenshjots and they look very very very similar to balmung and orca. also this would maby be a good plot mechinism because it would fit 2 ways with tri-edge.

1. ocra and balmung are also adia infected and are more bosses to slay. also this would bring back all our firends and we get to slat zombie versions of them (ewww, zombie mistral!!!)

2. After the fight at the end of that magna balmung could have secrured his data or somthing like that and then he has a reaperance with orca returning the favor for kite who has been taken over by an adia (maby morganna??)

Post by **Kuukai** » Mon May 29, 2006 1:11 am

Some people on the Japanese BBS are actually thining this might be the case with the silhouettes too... It's not completely ridiculous. Lots of stuff is left unexplained by the terminal disc. The only other possible place for explanation (assuming large portions of the later part of Roots don't happen without Haseo's knowledge) is in the games. How are we to say there's no reason their data would be brought over? It's not like we know everything yet... How much is Elk mentioned outside of his original role? Or Piroshi? Dumb examples, maybe, but so far they're really the most likely characters from before to be in this one... The Sieg thing might be likely too, but less so than either of them (a lot less supporting evidence), and they got like zero terminal disc time...

Kite_2000 · Post by **Kite_2000** » Mon May 29, 2006 2:57 am

I don't see HOW it can be Orca at all. I mean, come on! It doesn't even LOOK like a whale! >__<

Let's try and put this together...so, it's got to do with an A.I.D.A. right?

But it can't be Orca or ANYONE else seeing as their character models were DELETED along with THE WORLD.

PLUS Morganna's dead so let's not get into THAT one.

KimageRagna · Post by **KimageRagna** » Mon May 29, 2006 9:26 am

Kite_2000 wrote:I don't see HOW it can be Orca at all. I mean, come on! It doesn't even LOOK like a whale! >__<

Let's try and put this together...so, it's got to do with an A.I.D.A. right?

But it can't be Orca or ANYONE else seeing as their character models were DELETED along with THE WORLD.

PLUS Morganna's dead so let's not get into THAT one.

How do we know that their character models were deleted?

On a side note to the theory about Orca and Balmung Tri-Edge variations...just me or in the Vol 2 preview when the words Vol 2 appear feathers start floating across the screen? Could be a hint towards Balmung...

Dragoon2044 · Post by **Dragoon2044** » Mon May 29, 2006 11:45 am

Balmung and Orca actually look like they fill in the sillouhettes pretty well. beyond that what roles they would play remains a mystery. Morganna is dead? Aura must be dead too... >> If those were the case the world wouldn't cause any problems because 'the world' the game just wouldn't work.

PyroTwilight · Post by **PyroTwilight** » Mon May 29, 2006 12:23 pm

Well their's always Zefie as a possibility if no one else. After all she'd probably take over the role as The Worlds protector if Aura is gone. Though is she survived the fire like many others is still unkown.

FlameSage · Post by **FlameSage** » Mon May 29, 2006 12:33 pm

Don't forget, Tsuksasa's Guardian made the sound of a whale, and I'm sure the Guardian has blackbox protection, now weither or not it survived, thats a different story.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Mon May 29, 2006 2:13 pm

How do we know that their character models were deleted?

Y'know, that um....fire?

Morganna is dead? Aura must be dead too... >>

Indeed, they both are at this point, more or less.

Well their's always Zefie as a possibility if no one else. After all she'd probably take over the role as The Worlds protector if Aura is gone. Though is she survived the fire like many others is still unkown.

As sweet an idea as that is, I think Zefie is the ghost from he Terminal disc.

Don't forget, Tsuksasa's Guardian made the sound of a whale, and I'm sure the Guardian has blackbox protection, now weither or not it survived, thats a different story.

Tsukasa's Guardian died a loooooooooooong time ago.

Shinsou Wotan · Post by **Shinsou Wotan** » Mon May 29, 2006 6:59 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:
How do we know that their character models were deleted?
Y'know, that um....fire?

It wasn't the fire that destroyed the data. In fact, there is strong evidence in the Terminal Disc that many, maybe even most characters' data survived the crash, and lasted until CC Corp replaced The World with R:2. It is also clear that the data for at least eight characters survived even that.

Morganna is dead? Aura must be dead too... >>
Indeed, they both are at this point, more or less.

Morganna's existence ended at the conclusion of the original games. As for Aura... what exactly happened to her is unknown, beyond that she vanished, apparently shortly after the events of UdeDen.

Well their's always Zefie as a possibility if no one else. After all she'd probably take over the role as The Worlds protector if Aura is gone. Though is she survived the fire like many others is still unkown.
As sweet an idea as that is, I think Zefie is the ghost from he Terminal disc.

Agreed, though it wasn't a 'ghost'. It was a yellow-haired little girl that Jun realized after the fact was an AI.

Don't forget, Tsuksasa's Guardian made the sound of a whale, and I'm sure the Guardian has blackbox protection, now weither or not it survived, thats a different story.
Tsukasa's Guardian died a loooooooooooong time ago.

I really wish people would stop talking about "blackbox protection" and similar such nonsense.