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Yep. I've bitched about this before too.

Edit: Editing and deletion can be done but I assume there's a time limit.

Being able to edit = Prevents double posts and allows corrections

Being unable to edit = Harder to break rules since you can't simply flame someone and then edit after they see it, etc (though most forums have "saved copies" where the staff members can see your unedited posts anyways)


Honestly, I can see both sides to the coin, and personally, I think edit limitations, if any, would work best if it was limited to Both the first post (for updated info, for example, rather than fishing for new posts) as well as the last post, but getting cemented in if there has been a new post in there. The time thing kind of bites since it forces me to double post a fair bit.


TEST: The new edit system appears to officially be in effect as I can now edit this post, despite it being well over 2 hours later. Thanks again to d5t and the dothackers staff for understanding our concerns and agreeing to our request!

I don't really think they did this on purpose, making members unable to edit their posts D:

When a new board is created, it usually shows you a chart-thingy of all the possible kind of members (normal members, mods, admins, etc), and what permissions they have for actions they can do in the board...these actions can be "Create Post, Create Topic, Edit Own Post, Delete Own Post", etc. And given how these editting problems have been happening in the LINK boards only, then i suppose they just didn't check the option of "Edit Own Post" for members.

At least this is what i'd like to think, as there doesn't seem to be any real trouble in other boards. Though if they really did it on purpose and it happens on every board...then i don't think it's useful and recommendable to keep like that D: There are cases in which posts HAVE to be editted by the members, like Zer0 in this case, and there's nothing too huge that a member can do by simply being able to edit their posts....if it gets too problematic, then the post can be locked at any time (Locking a Post means that they can't be editted anymore....and no, these posts aren't Locked, it's just that members are unable to edit them), and if someone seriously abuses with editting their own posts...well, there's always sanctions that can be enforced :/ So yeah, i don't see anything wrong with members being able to edit their posts.

But what about posts that require constant editing, due to new info that later gets discovered? I remember creating the character list threads, and after the ninth time, I couldn't edit anymore. So I either reposted the list, or just made a new thread about it, but I thought it made things more inefficient.

Advent_Winter wrote:But what about posts that require constant editing, due to new info that later gets discovered? I remember creating the character list threads, and after the ninth time, I couldn't edit anymore. So I either reposted the list, or just made a new thread about it, but I thought it made things more inefficient.

Then they could just allow members to edit their own posts for an indeterminate amount of time...aka forever. I don't think there should be a time limit, or edit limit, or anything that decides for how long or how much a post can be edited. Mods can edit 3-year-old posts over 50 times if we're that bored, so it's not like it's something that can't be done...it's just that there exists something that doesn't allow members to edit their posts for whatever circumstances, which i don't think that should exist :/

But well, in the worst case that the editting remains this way (locked for members), then a solution would be to contact a mod/admin, telling them they want such post edited, and giving the information the edited post would contain, and then the mod/admin would just go to the post, edit it, add/replace the information the member gave, and then that's it. Would be tedious in having to send messages to the staff and then having to wait for them to get on and do the editing, but it would at least work :/ Still, would be alot better if members were just able to edit their posts at anytime.

The forum software that we use has a setting which controls the time editing a post, "Limits the time available to edit a new post." And this setting is currently set for 120 minutes, that's 2 hours if you are unsure on your conversions. Meaning you have well within 2 hours to edit your post upon which that time ends, you are locked out.

Insydius wrote:The forum software that we use has a setting which controls the time editing a post, "Limits the time available to edit a new post." And this setting is currently set for 120 minutes, that's 2 hours if you are unsure on your conversions. Meaning you have well within 2 hours to edit your post upon which that time ends, you are locked out.

Could there be a way to extend that time for editting a post, or take it out altogether? Or at least an explanation of why editting must have a time limit before it's locked? D:

Insydius wrote:that's 2 hours if you are unsure on your conversions.

I will say this is mostly reasonable, however it doesn't take into account various situations.

Take for example a long post with several ideas posted in a topic that is slow on getting replies. Within two hours the user leaves or is forced leave but wishes to expand their thoughts further without double posting, yet once they come back from where ever they were they are unable to and must consider A) not doing anything and allowing their statement to be incomplete. B) double post.

I see it as just having the potential to have some issues, though minor.

My main concern is information threads. in the "List of returning characters" thread for //Link, it'd have been nice for the first post to be updated rather than fishing for updates. But it's true it's not up to me. I'm curious to know what system these boards run on, now, however, even if I can't use that knowledge for anything.

Mirus wrote:Mainly, I edit my post if I mess up my color code and my post comes out black.. rarely do I edit to fix mistakes and another reason I edit is if I forgot to say something, so pretty much I just add to it but i dont think I ever put "Edit:" I dont like doing that it says at the bottom of the post that you edited it anyway

But I do understand why someone would find editing as a "threat" to the forums anyone can say something bad then delete it

But is that REALLY bad, saying something bad and then deleting it? If a person says something bad, and then edits it and deletes it, it could actually even be something good, as the person would turn an insultive post into just a normal, and it could avoid flame wars and pointless arguments that could even lead an interesting topic to be locked, and even a few people being banned/suspended.

Also, it's not like the editing is "completely unnoticeable". There's the message at the bottom of the post saying the post was edited, a log is registered in the Moderator Control Panel so we can see which members have done any editing and with its respective details (the hour, the topic, etc), and, if someone was quick enough to read the post, and replied to it as a quote, then the quote will have the message "saved", and remain even if the original post is edited (and until the quoted post is edited).

So, even if someone abuses the editing system, by editing lots of posts, and saying lots of things and then edit them constantly, then we'll know and be able to do something about it. And i don't think simply locking the edits is a great solution to this...the "abusing" that can be done with it it's nothing really serious and can be easily located and stopped, and whoever does such abusing it's people who just feel like trolling around and causing a mess. And while you lock editing, you also lock the chances of people to edit their posts for actual useful and needed circunstances, like right now, Zer0 :/ And sure, it could still be worked around this way (having Zer0 create new topics, or contact mods/admins to edit his posts), but i just don't find it necessary that it has to be like this.

I agree with Ranylyn. I've been thinking about requesting for the Redemption CB code thread to be locked so I can start a new one and keep track of all hacking-related BS in the original post, but if I can't edit that post at will, then there's no point. I REALLY don't like having all of our data scattered throughout a multi-page thread, but under the current inefficient system, I don't have a choice.

Besides, Sorrow summed up how things should and probably did work around here before.

OTOH, I find it more disturbing that hyperlinks in posts have no inherent visual difference from normal text; I have to create that difference somehow because at some point, aesthetics overruled functionality in importance. I mean, how would you even know if something happened to be a link if you didn't rollover the text or quote the post? I could spam links all day and no one would be any the wiser.

i need ability to edit posts.
if i don't i get hate.
if you edit post fast enough, it's not labeled as edited, btw.

Riouki_Myssaki wrote:i need ability to edit posts.
if i don't i get hate.
if you edit post fast enough, it's not labeled as edited, btw.

That explains why it does not show up on some of mine... I thought the system's thought was like

"You know you edited this so we are only going to tell everyone else and not you."

They hath spoken - unlimited editing; dunno why it was set to 120mins - might have been the boards default. The message board logs all edits, so if any issues arise that shouldn't be a problem. Riouki_Myssaki, that hate is based on your trolling not the ability to edit.

Thanks for taking the comments into consideration d5t.

d5t wrote:They hath spoken - unlimited editing; dunno why it was set to 120mins - might have been the boards default. The message board logs all edits, so if any issues arise that shouldn't be a problem.

I thought so. Hence my point about edits not usually being a big issue to dodge warnings since most boards do keep backups of the original unmodified post for the staff and occasionally original poster to view. Thanks, d5t!

Also, Zed, nice one. That post cracked me up since I decided to rollover for the lulz and your links did indeed surprise me. Especially with the back to back words being different links.

I didn't even notice that, which further proves his point.