Has anyone seen this bayonet before?

[Master ZED]

I've been skimming through the data for weapon models in Redemption tonight, which has been rather uneventful so far save two Scythe Bite clones, until I got to the end of the Bayonets and saw that weapon 0065 had a unique model. This weapon is listed as jibberish in Skiller's data, so I looked at it in game and took this picture:



It's an unnamed Rarity: 5 LV. 1 weapon that gives +1 P-ATK, according to the game. I had seen the model skin for this in hackstract before and it made me curious, but being listed among the Rebirth bayonets made me think I simply didn't recognize it and it was just a common piece of low level trash. Now that I've seen it in-game and seen its stats, I'm not sure what to make of it. It's the last actual Bayonet prior to the Blade Brandier weapons, and low level garbage never shows up at the tail end of the weapon data.

What do you guys think? Do any of you remember this from another .hack story somewhere?

[TheSorrow]

What do you guys think? Do any of you remember this from another .hack story somewhere?

Definetly not, but that's quite an interesting find o-O
Also, i just noticed how there's a lv1 weapon for all weapons except Gauntlets, Lances and Fans....there's even a lv1 Scythe according to Rebirth's files. The rarity makes it wierd, but it could simply be a "beta" weapon meant to be the lv1 weapon for Bayonets but wasn't really used, and was just left there unnamed and all.

[Master ZED]

The rarity makes it wierd, but it could simply be a "beta" weapon meant to be the lv1 weapon for Bayonets but wasn't really used, and was just left there unnamed and all.

Yeah, but like I said, low level weapons don't show up at the end of the list, and this is the weapon immediately after Maxwell, making it an exception. I thought it could be the weapon Taihaku gets in the FoP, and the coloring is similar, but the design is much different. I guess it could be a prototype version of that weapon, but then there's that unknown4 character that wasn't used at all and wasn't even started at any point in development. This weapon could be Taihaku's, but it could also be the property of a character that never made it off of the drawing board too. That's why I'm hoping someone has seen this thing before.

[bloodwolf2a2]

That is a strange looking weapon maybe it is one of those weapons that Taihaku collected they did say that he collected rare weapons maybe it is one of them.

[Master ZED]

Well, I just found out (or rather, ran into and was instantly reminded) that CC2 did in fact give it a use in Redemption since apparently they had no idea what to do with it otherwise. It's in the battle Haseo watches with Sirius of three cannon fodder fighting Taihaku. The file m30620_s01e.tmp has copies of the graphics for Maxwell, the Golden Spear, Broad Demon, and the mystery weapon. Whoever the Steam Gunner of that party was is the owner of this weapon.

I guess there simply wasn't reason to use those graphics prior to Redemption... or maybe I should actually look at the other games' data and find out before I assume things? After all, if they went to the trouble of erasing things between Rebirth and Reminisce (namely Ovan's, Gabi's, and Matsu's Arts (broadsword only for Matsu of course)), then Rebirth might have a different version of it; the one in Redemption was (now) obviously a default setting by whatever program was used to set up weapons so the graphics could be used in that fight.

Weird that they went to the trouble to build that weapon for one cutscene when they could have just used the Gun Steel or something. Did those guys happen to have names or anything? :\

EDIT: Not worth making another post for this... I found out who uses it. I did a full write-up for my little side project documenting dummied data and gaming artifacts that just barely saw daylight:

The weapon belongs to drop_point, a tres-lookalike LV. 108 Steam Gunner who fell victim to Taihaku in a Sage Palace title match that Sirius invited Haseo to watch early in Redemption. He is part of an Arena team along with Hickson, a LV. 109 Edge Punisher that looks like Kaki Leader and wields a Broad Demon, and ryokichi, a LV. 109 Lord Partizan. The Mark imposter uses a Golden Spear and is the team leader. drop_point is the player that makes the mistake of using a Lei Zas-like spell against Taihaku, letting him show off Maxwell's Null Magic property, so the unknown weapon never gets any actual use.

In a bit of trivia, ryokichi and Hickson switch weapons and classes when the fight begins and switch back when the spell fails, making this team, only named "Taihaku's Opponent" in the ELF file, that much more special for the apparent ability to switch between each others classes and weapons (or in other words, the event programmers screwed up who was who). ryokichi is voiced by Yuri Lowenthal (sp?), while the other two PCs' VAs are currently unknown.

[Kuukai]

My guess is that a lot of unused weapons were removed at the end of development, and this one stayed because someone used it in a cutscene. Guess that doesn't explain some other stuff in there, but it wouldn't be surprising if they had a lot more models than what they put on the shipped disc...

[EtherealDeath]

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[Master ZED]

Unless you mean actual/offline names or something like that.
:/ Or something entirely different.

No, that's what I meant alright, but I didn't see your post until I edited my post asking about it. Oh well. :\

[Kuukai]

Wonder if his name was different in the Japanese version... Also wonder, Master ZED, are there any differences in the data left on the two releases?

[Master ZED]

Wonder if his name was different in the Japanese version... Also wonder, Master ZED, are there any differences in the data left on the two releases?

Between Reminisce and Redemption or between the Japanese and English releases of Redemption? I can't answer the latter because I don't have the NTSC-J release nor could I play it if I did (so if it had prototype weapons or the lost Dual Gunner Art, I couldn't test anything). I'd imagine that all of the differences lie in the translation process, as there are plenty of dummied artifacts that the Japanese didn't remove that are still in the English release, like the sound tracks for Atoli's mind (untranslated as seen here), most of the files needed for Divine Awakening, and even the Unison Combo graphics for when the Roots version of Rengeki was in development. If CC2 didn't touch it, unless it was necessary for translation (or a bug they felt worth fixing), I doubt it was touched in the English version.

I also haven't looked specifically for differences between Reminisce and Redemption, but since most of the deletions were between Rebirth and Reminisce, I would think Rebirth would be a better place to start looking for lost data.