About Endrance...

[mastergods]

There is so much talk about en being elk. but I can think of two reasons he is not elk.

1. Elk would never join A.I.D.A he saw what the Morgana did to Mia.
2.Elk would never play R2. Mia Lived in R1 and now that it is gone. so is she.

[AuraTwilight]

Those are crappy reasons, sorry.

1. Elk has no idea what the hell an AIDA is, and he didn't figure they had a connection to Morganna (which they don't.) Furthermore, he thought the AIDA was Mia herself.

2. It's still Za Warudo, and it doesn't have an ending. Besides, he's so desperate, and it's the only lead he has.

[mastergods]

Those are crappy reasons, sorry.

1. Elk has no idea what the hell an AIDA is, and he didn't figure they had a connection to Morganna (which they don't.) Furthermore, he thought the AIDA was Mia herself.

2. It's still Za Warudo, and it doesn't have an ending. Besides, he's so desperate, and it's the only lead he has.

The only time we really saw Elk was when he was with Mia(or when we asked him to join us) and when He played he never showed any enjoment fighting, he just liked to be with Mia.

En enjoyed fighting and did not care who got hurt. Even if Elk logged onto R2 he would not want to hurt others. We saw in the news forum that none of R1 data came out of the fire so Elk would know Mia is gone.

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En enjoyed fighting and did not care who got hurt. Even if Elk logged onto R2 he would not want to hurt others. We saw in the news forum that none of R1 data came out of the fire so Elk would know Mia is gone.

Endrance didn't enjoy the fighting. He was only relishing the company of AIDA-Mia. The AIDA was just manipulating him using his memories of "She".

Also 20% of The World's data was recovered, and this was passed on to R:2.

Do your research more dude.

[mastergods]

En enjoyed fighting and did not care who got hurt. Even if Elk logged onto R2 he would not want to hurt others. We saw in the news forum that none of R1 data came out of the fire so Elk would know Mia is gone.

Endrance didn't enjoy the fighting. He was only relishing the company of AIDA-Mia. The AIDA was just manipulating him using his memories of "She".

Also 20% of The World's data was recovered, and this was passed on to R:2.

Do your research more dude.

I give up. I dont like fighting on Forums. my point is that I do not think Elk is En. and that En enjoyed hurting others becuase it pleases "her".

[Fallen Guardion]

Also the manga(not sure if this matters or not) had been saying that he had a pet cat named Mia in real life.

Due to the differences between the storylines, GU+ is generally considered non-canon.
Thus, just because he may have a cat in GU+(haven't read it so I don't know) doesn't mean that Endrance actually had one in the canon.

[AuraTwilight]

The only time we really saw Elk was when he was with Mia(or when we asked him to join us) and when He played he never showed any enjoment fighting, he just liked to be with Mia.

Neither does Endrance.

En enjoyed fighting and did not care who got hurt. Even if Elk logged onto R2 he would not want to hurt others. We saw in the news forum that none of R1 data came out of the fire so Elk would know Mia is gone.

20% of the data was recovered, and not everyone reads the forums. Knowing Elk, he'd probably hope that Mia's soul reincarnated into Za Warudo and avoided the fire or something.

my point is that I do not think Elk is En.

And it's a point contradicted by mounds and mounds and mounds of evidence. I can see what you're saying. I was one of the original skeptics, but even I was proven wrong

[mastergods]

There is only one reason I will now bow to the others will and say EN could be little Elk.


and that Reason is the "transfer face" (<< I made that word up, so dont use it )

here is what I mean. Helba was in sign and in the first four .hack games. (see? "transfer face")

Sanjuro was in the first four games and then the LOTTB (as himself not not some one that looks like him)



And since they could not use the old Character models so they would take another his personality and make a new model for it. So Elk could be EN. just to keep the transfer face" going.

Wow. that was fun! and I cant wait to see all the people saying "your wrong! that's not why you should think master EN is Elk!!"cant you just be happy I think he is Elk?!

[Kyrian]

Waitta jump to conclusions there, buddy ^__~

I do agree that Endrance could possibly be Elk. Stepping outside the actual game for a minute, and thinking like some of the people who worked on the game, if there wasn't meant to be a connection between Elk and Master En, they would have avoided making them similar like the plague in order to downsize confusion. It'd be like them having put Atoli in the game but NOT having her have anything to do with Shino, and NOT having Haseo accidently mistake her for Shino, which they would never do.

Also, thinking a little like Elk, the death of a best friend, especially for someone like Elk who is shy and withdrawn, is a really big thing. Put that together with the fact that he always knew Mia was never actually 'real' in the first place(or, I suppose, I assume he knew that), and that Kite was the one who had to kill Mia(I've never played the fourth game, but didn't someone mention that?), you could see how he could go through a large personality transformation.

As Elk, he was shy, and weak as a player, and he knew it. When Mia died, he could very easily feel like it was his fault, eh? So, he would convince himself to become stronger, which could transform into taking pleasure out of the arena.

And, also, when R:2 came out, it would be the perfect chance to then search for Mia. R:2, in a way, was a rebirth of R:1, so his thinking could be that, even if Mia was killed in R:1, she could have somehow been resurrected in R:2. Lo and behold, he found her. Or, at least, he thought he did.

Then Haseo popped his bubble.

Loose and full of holes, but did anyone else follow my thought process?

[mastergods]

that is the same path I took to prove EN is not Elk

only different was Elk did not join R2 becuase it would be like him going to the spot she died at.

and since the people that made GU have not said anything on the matter there are no conclusions.

So my new conclusion is Kites player is haseo and Sora is really Tri edge!

[Kyrian]

I think that if it meant a possibility of getting Mia back, Elk would go anywhere, especially if he truly believed she would come back.

only different was Elk did not join R2 becuase it would be like him going to the spot she died at.

You mean like when you visit someone's grave?

Besides, I thought you believed that Master En was Elk? *teasing*

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only different was Elk did not join R2 becuase it would be like him going to the spot she died at.

Or maybe he did go to R:2 because he could never get over Mia. Ever think of that?

So my new conclusion is Kites player is haseo and Sora is really Tri edge!

Both wrong. Kite would be on his 20's at G.U. while Haseo is 17. And Tri-edge is NOT SORA because Tri-edge's identity will be revealed in Vol.2

[mastergods]

I think that if it meant a possibility of getting Mia back, Elk would go anywhere, especially if he truly believed she would come back.

but the fire at CC corp destoryed so much of R1 and in R2 you can play as"beast" it would be like finding a neddle in a hay stack. And there are no rummors about a "cat player" so it looks like Mia was not in the 20% of data that was saved from the fire. and Elk would see that

only different was Elk did not join R2 becuase it would be like him going to the spot she died at.

You mean like when you visit someone's grave?

no. not a Grave the sopt the person died. like is some one died in a hotel you go and stay in that room.

Besides, I thought you believed that Master En was Elk? *teasing*[/quote]

I really do not think they are. but I thought it would stop the hate mail I have been getting from his fangirls....They scare me more then the thought of being data drained!

[mastergods]

Or maybe he did go to R:2 because he could never get over Mia. Ever think of that?

It would be like going to a back ally and saying "me and my best friend used to come here" when it really a different state then the one they really went to.

So my new conclusion is Kites player is haseo and Sora is really Tri edge![/quote]Both wrong. Kite would be on his 20's at G.U. while Haseo is 17. And Tri-edge is NOT SORA because Tri-edge's identity will be revealed in Vol.2[/quote]

dude relax. it was a joke. I mean Sora is from kingdom hearts. I was just trying to point out that people saying "EN is Elk" is like me saying "sora is Tri-edge. just because I think thats ture does not make it

[Kyrian]

Mia's grave = the area(or whatever) she died in.

The World = the town.

So, Elk going to the World would be like a person visiting the town their lover lived in. Not necessarily something that sounds logical to one who hasn't lost a lover, but it's something they do do.

Either way, you do have to admit that there is evidence supporting SOME sort of connection, whether the theory be true or false.

Offtopic: If you provoke a dog, it will bite, my lad. Anyway, I wouldn't call it... hate mail, persay. More like passionate debate.

[mastergods]

Mia's grave = the area(or whatever) she died in.

The World = the town.

So, Elk going to the World would be like a person visiting the town their lover lived in. Not necessarily something that sounds logical to one who hasn't lost a lover, but it's something they do do.

Either way, you do have to admit that there is evidence supporting SOME sort of connection, whether the theory be true or false..

True. But Mia did not sem like one of those people that liked to fight. most of the the time(it seemed to me) those two were in town just talking and hanging out. The only time we see them leave the town was to go wind the grass they like or when we called them, my point is Elk was not into fighting and nether was Mia. And yes I know death changes a person but mia would not want Elk to fight and Mia the avatar wanted to fight, all avatars want to fight.

Offtopic: If you provoke a dog, it will bite, my lad. Anyway, I wouldn't call it... hate mail, persay. More like passionate debate.

Trust me thats not it. If R2 was a real online game I would PKed more times then 1/2 and she is the one I always save! Also if some of them knew where I lived...the hills have eyes would look like a kids movie

[Kyrian]

I dunno how much you've played the original games, but whenever you took Elk and Mia, they always seemed to enjoy it through their little random NPC comments. I think Elk did enjoy helping Kite by healing him, and Mia liked to fight.

But, of course, the question is, is the 'person' that was Mia actually the same 'person' as Endrance's avatar? Macha in SIGN was a nasty little character a lot of the time, and he's supposed to be related to Mia, right? So who's to say Macha in GU isn't more like Macha from SIGN?

Besides, Elk does understand that he is a very scared, shy, weak character, and doesn't really give himself enough credit. It's very easy to blame yourself and your own inabilities for something that is entirely outside your control, and if Elk believes Mia's death could have been prevented by him being stronger, he would work to make himself stronger.

And end up being a really creepy guy like Master En.

BTW:

And Tri-edge is NOT SORA because Tri-edge's identity will be revealed in Vol.2

dude relax. it was a joke. I mean Sora is from kingdom hearts. I was just trying to point out that people saying "EN is Elk" is like me saying "sora is Tri-edge. just because I think thats ture does not make it

This is what I meant by putting in similarities that point to the wrong conclusion.

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And yes I know death changes a person but mia would not want Elk to fight and Mia the avatar wanted to fight, all avatars want to fight.

That would be Avatar Macha which is not related to Mia other than the fact that they posses the same data before. Macha is an avatar, who is controlled by Endrance. And Endrance is being manipulated my AIDA-Mia who was playing with his feelings. I don't see how the "not-wanting to fight" reasoning is relevant.

And just to clear up the confusion, the Macha Phase/Avatar is not the same as the Macha Cat/Mia at least. Mia is an AI who grew to be self-aware, but in her was the Macha Phase, which is just an extension of Morganna. It was from this that CCorp got the idea of Epitaph Wielders. The sentient Mia AI is dead, killed when CCorp ripped her up for the Epitaph data. All that is left is the non-sentient Epitaph Data.

So it would make sense that Elk would be grieving and obsessed over "she" when Mia died. His grieving loss of love, would also make Elk the perfect candidate for the Temptress Epitaph. No there is no proof, but there is a crap load of evidence that does make a connection between Elk and Endrance to be quite relevant.

[AuraTwilight]

to nitpick, the Macha Avatar IS technically sentient, and the Maha/Mia we're familiar with are probably a splinter of it's mind, such as  Saku was born from Bo.

[mastergods]

I dunno how much you've played the original games, but whenever you took Elk and Mia, they always seemed to enjoy it through their little random NPC comments. I think Elk did enjoy helping Kite by healing him, and Mia liked to fight.

But, of course, the question is, is the 'person' that was Mia actually the same 'person' as Endrance's avatar? Macha in SIGN was a nasty little character a lot of the time, and he's supposed to be related to Mia, right? So who's to say Macha in GU isn't more like Macha from SIGN?

Besides, Elk does understand that he is a very scared, shy, weak character, and doesn't really give himself enough credit. It's very easy to blame yourself and your own inabilities for something that is entirely outside your control, and if Elk believes Mia's death could have been prevented by him being stronger, he would work to make himself stronger.

And end up being a really creepy guy like Master En.

BTW:

And Tri-edge is NOT SORA because Tri-edge's identity will be revealed in Vol.2

dude relax. it was a joke. I mean Sora is from kingdom hearts. I was just trying to point out that people saying "EN is Elk" is like me saying "sora is Tri-edge. just because I think thats ture does not make it

This is what I meant by putting in similarities that point to the wrong conclusion.

I beat all the games.
them liked being together thats all.
Mia liked fight to save Elk, and Elk liked to heal Mia becuase he was helping. other then that Nether would like to fight alone or other PC.

Yes Macha was an evil little bugger but near the end she was slowly becoming good, she liked Tsubasa(not spelled right) and did not like what was happening to him. Mia shows that by befriending and taking care of Elk. To me it looked like Macha was making up for what she did to Tsubasa.

That made me laugh! him defanding tri edge and telling me Sora is not tri edge! they are from Different games and makers.