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[TheSorrow]

actually...cubia didnt appear till skeith was data drained....the avatars arent suppose to exsist either...and they were suppose to only be needed once...when they actvated the RA plan....so yea...

I can only imagine the folks behind RA plan trying to explain the messup to their superiors.

"The project failed because our team leader was a fruitcake."

LOL

cubia can be contained to an extent...in retrospcet...ovan cannot controll his AIDA even with the container...as with evidence of the thing with SHINO....cubia is gonna be there no matter what....if there is somethign strong enough that shouldnt be there,he will be there....in this case,its the avatars and he needed AIDA as some back up...

But we can say that, when Corbenik was the only Avatar awakened, Ovan could control it very well. Problems happened after Kuhn and Pi also awakened theirs.

Cubia doesnt 'always' has to exists, only as long as there's something so big that shouldnt exist, like you and me and other people have said. During the time after IMOQ until the aftermath of the RA plan, there was no Cubia

[haseoxth]

...You speak as though Cubia is able to be captured, broken, and tamed. Cubia, unlike the Phases, is simply -there-. It exists simply to mirror the existence of something else, thus the term anti-existence. It's something that simply cannot be contained as simply as most data.

If the theory that Ovan's arm contains Cubia, then it means he can be contained.
Its just that, being the anti-existance of all Avatars, it has the same strenght as them all, and holding him would be like holding all the avatars, making it impossible after a certain amount of strenght (avatars being awakened) is met.

I see it as simply an inoculation stage, comparable to say, Skeith's data giving birth to Cubia. Trying to contain a full-fledged Cubia would be like trying to grab a fistful of helium. Plus, I doubt the container is really doing a good job of containing him. I'm sure it's just tolerating the thing while waiting for an opportune moment for its big insurrection.

cubia gets bored in there and goes and pks people like*coughshinocough*

[Whysper]

Kuhn...the first avatar to activate....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...WHERED THE HELL YOU GET THAT FROM?!?!!?Ovan is the first to activate dumbass....

Really? Thought the Terminal Disk said Magus was the first to truly activate? Also, I've read quite throughly on these boards.
Also, your style of typing is very hard to take seriously. I stopped reading as soon as you used obscenities. When you can communicate without the use of vulgar language, please feel free to reply. Thank you.

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Continuing on.

The TSN is just another program. They could have the looks of Wiseman, NOVA and Crim, and they would be the same thing.
'Cubia' is the .hack term for an anti-existence, an an anti-existence occurs when something huge is placed forcefully into the system, in order to balance it the anti-existence appears

Never really mentioned anything about look. TSN was made to monitor and repair "The World" (at least that was my understanding, I've been translating the games as I go. Not fully fluent in Japanese so I admit I may have mistranslated something.). While they are a program they still show signs of artificial intelligence. They solve problems and pick and choose when a situation merits their influence. This can easily be done through pre-describe parameters but not everything can be so easily predicted so they would have to learn to adapt to a dynamic (albeit digital) environment.

We won't have a fact on it until someone plays and finishes Vol. 3. But most theories speak of Cubia being the anti-existence of Avatars, and the mother of AIDA. Its not the 'cause' of AIDA, those are the Avatars (Cubia is an AIDA itself), but its the one which causes them to appear.
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You are in the same way with your theory. There is nothing official.

Indeed, which is why I am not taking personal offense to being disproven. This is all about discussion and speculation. I could equally be right or wrong. Then again, so is anyone else who does the same. However people use speculation as fact very commonly on these boards. I wanted to remove that so this theory is considered just as valid.

'Avatars' are not supposed to exist. Its not incorporated in The World that players should carry Epitaph data

However they were still created and put into "The World" by the programmers themselves. Though it is obvious they are incomplete by the Terminal Report and how they choose their users. This is a major flaw in my theory, but still possible none the less.

IMOQ Cubia didnt appear when the bracelet was created, either

I concede this is true, it didn't appear until the destruction of a phase or the over use of the bracelet. (Depending on which belief you go by.)

[MeultimaSama]

We're just going by what we see here, and from the looks of it, IMHO the current theories seem to have more concrete proof than yours. Your theory seems to hinge upon major IFs.

IF Cubia is containable by CC Corp.

IF Cubia can be reprogrammed.

IF Cubia does not simply respawn in the system after being reprogrammed simply because it's not Cubia anymore.

Those are some really big IFs.

[Whysper]

Yes, they are big ifs. I recal the speculation about the first four games where a bulk of people believed their theories to be concrete. Turned out many theories that ran on these IFS were correct.

I don't think the Cubia in //gu is the same Cubia as the signature series. But that is my own perspective on the situation.

[TheSorrow]

Really? Thought the Terminal Disk said Magus was the first to truly activate?

Magus was the first one who found its Epitaph User, but the first one to awaken was Corbenik, then Tarvos

And get used to haseoxth. According to Mawd Gawd, he's an angry parrot...

Never really mentioned anything about look. TSN was made to monitor and repair "The World" (at least that was my understanding, I've been translating the games as I go. Not fully fluent in Japanese so I admit I may have mistranslated something.). While they are a program they still show signs of artificial intelligence. They solve problems and pick and choose when a situation merits their influence. This can easily be done through pre-describe parameters but not everything can be so easily predicted so they would have to learn to adapt to a dynamic (albeit digital) environment.

They have low-level AI, and are not as good on thinking as most Vangrant AIs. But they do think, after all
But how you can relate them with Cubia??

Indeed, which is why I am not taking personal offense to being disproven. This is all about discussion and speculation. I could equally be right or wrong. Then again, so is anyone else who does the same. However people use speculation as fact very commonly on these boards. I wanted to remove that so this theory is considered just as valid.

I am actually open to every theory and can discuss them freely. All i'm doing is fixing facts that are either wrong or misunderstood by either of us

However they were still created and put into "The World" by the programmers themselves. Though it is obvious they are incomplete by the Terminal Report and how they choose their users. This is a major flaw in my theory, but still possible none the less.

Because of how they were forcefully implanted in The World's PCs, the anti-existence was created, just like Jun said

I concede this is true, it didn't appear until the destruction of a phase or the over use of the bracelet. (Depending on which belief you go by.)

The negative/excessive amount of data from a Phase, in my belief


All we can do for now is keep discussing theories until CC Corp (or AuraTwilight) come and shut us all up with true facts

[MeultimaSama]

I don't think the Cubia in //gu is the same Cubia as the signature series. But that is my own perspective on the situation.

But Jun already feared that an Anti-Existence would arise. If that isn't future foreboding, I don't know what is.

[Whysper]

And get used to haseoxth. According to Mawd Gawd, he's an angry parrot...

Oh I know, I've been ghosting on these boards for quite a while now, much longer than he has been registered on the board. As far as I have seen he is little more than a spammer. I only recently registered when I gained enough of an idea of my own theories and speculations.

They have low-level AI, and are not as good on thinking as most Vangrant AIs. But they do think, after all
But how you can relate them with Cubia??

Well, my basis behind that is I am certain teaming up with PCs is out of the normal script they run off of. That would require an insane amount of scripting that I doubt anyone with a basic understanding of how scripting works. Though this is a fair bit in the future an far beyond our current level of technology. I just don't see it being in the basic protocol.
Like I sated before, Cubia was the fail safe in the situation that TSN evolved past their designated parameters.

I am actually open to every theory and can discuss them freely. All i'm doing is fixing facts that are either wrong or misunderstood by either of us

I wouldn't be surprised if I misunderstood quite a bit. My original translations with the first //gu came out slightly different than the United States release. ^-^;

Because of how they were forcefully implanted in The World's PCs, the anti-existence was created, just like Jun said.

But it's never stated what the anti-existence is. AIDA could easily be that an not Cubia.

The negative/excessive amount of data from a Phase, in my belief

That is fairly close to my own belief, actually. =)

All we can do for now is keep discussing theories until CC Corp (or AuraTwilight) come and shut us all up with true facts

This is true, I am waiting for //gu volume three to ship to answer all these questions. It's already on pre-order for import.

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I must have misinterpreted the avatar awakenings. My mistake.

[haseoxth]

i resent the angry parrot thing....and im not agnry...just...well...its just me...

[Whysper]

I don't think the Cubia in //gu is the same Cubia as the signature series. But that is my own perspective on the situation.

But Jun already feared that an Anti-Existence would arise. If that isn't future foreboding, I don't know what is.

True, but it does not necessarily mean Cubia.

[MeultimaSama]

I don't think the Cubia in //gu is the same Cubia as the signature series. But that is my own perspective on the situation.

But Jun already feared that an Anti-Existence would arise. If that isn't future foreboding, I don't know what is.

True, but it does not necessarily mean Cubia.

I know, but .hack people don't unnecessarily go out of their way in such a manner. Even the Great Deception wasn't a complete 180 degree turnabout. And wasn't that piece of info only unlockable with Vol 3?

That, plus it's a 20 hour game! With the tournament and what have you, how'd they gonna explain that whole lot without major plotholing anyway? xD

[Whysper]

I know, but .hack people don't unnecessarily go out of their way in such a manner. Even the Great Deception wasn't a complete 180 degree turnabout. And wasn't that piece of info only unlockable with Vol 3?

That, plus it's a 20 hour game! With the tournament and what have you, how'd they gonna explain that whole lot without major plotholing anyway? xD

Hahaha true, but you'd be surprised what you can get off Japanese message boards without realizing it's a spoiler untill after you read it.

[MeultimaSama]

Actually, I was referring to the Terminal Disc info, meaning that if it's unlockable in Vol 3, it would be quite relevant in both terms of Cubia and the Anti-Existence.

...Wait, what am I saying. That's like "Well Duh."

[TheSorrow]

Well, my basis behind that is I am certain teaming up with PCs is out of the normal script they run off of. That would require an insane amount of scripting that I doubt anyone with a basic understanding of how scripting works. Though this is a fair bit in the future an far beyond our current level of technology. I just don't see it being in the basic protocol.
Like I sated before, Cubia was the fail safe in the situation that TSN evolved past their designated parameters.

Sounds more like a backup program instead of an anti-existence then. It kinda makes sense because of the TSN's abilities, but i doubt they can act much on their own to break the paramaters and actually become a risk.

But it's never stated what the anti-existence is. AIDA could easily be that an not Cubia.

'My' theory (not mine since its what people have said, and i just agree with it) says that Cubia IS AIDA

This is true, I am waiting for //gu volume three to ship to answer all these questions. It's already on pre-order for import.

And i'm waiting for you to get it and finish it so you can spoil me out. lol

[haseoxth]

how could cubia BE AIDA....makes no sense...he could be the SOURCE of AIDA..but not AIDA...

[TheSorrow]

how could cubia BE AIDA....makes no sense...he could be the SOURCE of AIDA..but not AIDA...

Hmmm...I dont know
I just said that with the whole 'AIDA=Anti-existence' theory. But Cubia is the anti-existence in general. And AIDA's are what Cubia used to do the anti-existence work, and they were probably created with Corbenik's ability

[haseoxth]

how could cubia BE AIDA....makes no sense...he could be the SOURCE of AIDA..but not AIDA...

Hmmm...I dont know
I just said that with the whole 'AIDA=Anti-existence' theory. But Cubia is the anti-existence in general. And AIDA's are what Cubia used to do the anti-existence work, and they were probably created with Corbenik's ability

i think cubia just shells them out till he has the power to do it himself...

[AuraTwilight]

True, but that was during the infection series. I honestly believe Cubia is just the final product of the TSN system. Theres no basis for this other than the fact the current TSN doesn't seem to be doing that great of a job. Probably wrong, but thats my own idea of the situation. Cubia itself will more than likely just be generic boss fights that are used to advance on character development rather than the plot it self. Unless it's otherwise been stated (one hundred percent and not just an accepted fact), I do not believe it's the cause of AIDA.

Even in the signature series (Infection and on) it was never really used until the very end as a major plot, but to broaden the characters influence and changes the aspects of judgment within in the story. I have a feeling it will be doing the same again as a fill in aspect and a shout out to the first game rather than providing any pivotal role in the plot.

1. Cubia has no relationship to TSN no matter how you cut the cake. TSN is a creation of CC Corp while Cubia is an anomaly that no one (CC Corp, Harald, Morganna, Aura) is responsible for or even predicted.

2. TSN isn't doing a good job because CC Corp made it and...well, how did they handle the Twilight Incident? Not very well. The problem's not with the creation but the creator.

3. Cubia has to be related to the plot. If he's not, then he can't be there. That's like saying the Twilight Bracelet has no plot significance or Mia was just a bonus character.

4. Just because things aren't stated doesn't mean they're not true. You're being hypocritical in thinking that Cubia isn't connected to the AIDA because no one says so, but on the other hand, there's NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE that TSN and the Three Azure Knights are connected.

First, show me where it is officially said that Cubia is the one creating the AIDA or is a creation of AIDA. Or that Cubia is the anti-exsistance to Avatars. I may have missed that, I will not however, accept someone who is also only theorizing. In this situation mine is just as valid.

As for TSN joining Haseo, I thought about that. Cubia is the fail safe. If TSN fails or goes into any form of vagrancy (note I am not referring to the terminology if "Vagrant AI" but using the vagrant itself) Cubia activates in order to continue with repairs with the sub-script to reinstate the TSN with the original base programing. Not deleting TSN, but rebooting them so they follow the original programming.

Cubia is the anti-exsistance to freethinking (not Vagrant AI) AI. The Avatar program was incorporated into 'The World' so I believe it is part of the system itself and is considered as such by the TSN/Cubia script. Otherwise Cubia would have appeared much earlier on, more than likely with the birth of Magus, whom is the first Avatar to become activated. AIDA may also accepted by the server limitations due to it's origins. Doesn't mean it is a good thing, just accepted.

There is no mention of Cubia until volume three, which is right after TSN starts to show more sentient activities outside of their basic scripting.

1. I'll show you whatever connections between Cubia and AIDA exist once we get the game, don't worry. However, Cubia being the Anti-Existence to the Avatars is as factual as TSN being the Azure Knights. Accept both or accept neither.

2. Cubia's not a fail safe. He's an allergic reaction that will DESTROY THE WORLD if not kept in check. The TSN probably team up with Haseo in order to combine their strength against Ovan and the AIDA.

3. Firstly, All AI's are Freethinking. That's what it means to be one. Secondly, in .hack context, any AI that isn't the Ultimate AI is a Vagrant one.

4. The Avatars are as much part of the World, if not less so, as the Bracelet, but lookie. LOL Cubia. ¬_¬

5. Cubia is implied to be forming since the final days of R:1 when the eight Avatars are finished being created. And no, Magus isn't the first Avatar to be activated. Just the first to be made. Magus is third to be Awakened/Activated in the story of GU.

6. If the AIDA are accepted, why are the Azure Knights hunting them?

7. What proof do you have that the TSN are acting outside of their programming?

Kuhn...the first avatar to activate....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...WHERED THE HELL YOU GET THAT FROM?!?!!?Ovan is the first to activate dumbass....and Cubia is the shadow of the avatars because he didnt show up till Yata awakened...he is the reason ovans AIDA cannot be Data drain...HES TOO POWERFUL!!!!!!and the avatars arent incorperated into the system...and what the hell is a freethinking AI....uhhh..A VARGANT AI!!!DEE DEE DEE....and what is AINA???...A VAGRANT(freethinking)AI!!!!dude...please get more info before theorizing yourself...

Haseoxth, this is the last time I'm telling you. SHUT. THE HELL. UP. I'm tired of your ridiculously cruel, mean, and assholish behavior towards new members. If you don't knock it off and post politely, you will be permanently removed and banned.

Also, knock off the ass kissing.

Carry on, everyone.

[TheSorrow]

Firstly, All AI's are Freethinking. That's what it means to be one. Secondly, in .hack context, any AI that isn't the Ultimate AI is a Vagrant one.

There's always something new to learn. I didnt know this one lol (i kept thinking Vagrant AIs were mere AI's with no purpose)

[haseoxth]

YEZZIR!!!!