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Marioshinobi wrote:

Fragments.beta wrote:

Marioshinobi wrote:

Kouen wrote:No, Azure Flame Kite Data Drained Haseo because of his illegal upgrade through the Forest of Pain. It was not part of the system and posed as a threat, which must be fixed.

Well..+that

Ovan had said he was gonna go first to the cathedral before Haseo..

So it could be assumed that he had drawn TE out, then waited for Haseo and let them duke it out.

Personally I think TE didn't care at all about Haseo and wanted just to get to Ovan instead, but in self defence he had to beat the brat..and then came the fact he was hacked char ( well..Herald hacked him good ) so he did the job that Admins should have done ( Yata wanted Skeith so he let the thing slide..but TE wouldn't )

No Azure Kite had already marked Haseo then. He was drawn to the Tri-edge sign and upon seeing Haseo decided to take him on first. He drew his blades first so it basically meant he alredy had hostile intention with Haseo. I do agree that Ovan is the primary target of Azure Kite though. Ovan already pwned him once in ROOTS, and it seems Azure Kite seems to be in the trail of Ovan's signs in pursuit of Ovan. Its just that Ovan is always a step ahed of him.

=.=

TE wouldn't bother with Haseo at all, he wanted only to get to Ovan. But Ovan being behind Haseo at the time and haseo being sorta stupid he had attacked and drawed TE's attention..

Of course in every game, if you piss off a admin or GM then they would delete your char but in this case it seems that he got reduced to lvl 1. And Ovan was behind him the whole time, Kite wasn't interested in Haseo really..he's only made to deal with AIDA's and high things..he would normally delete chars ( Yata showed the tape of him doing so ) but the only reason he was there is because of Ovan, not Haseo.

And the SIGN was there for 8 months =.=

Also, lukan go check the anime section and look up Code Geass that I made.

He DID bother with Haseo, he Data Drained him for Christ's sake!.Azure Kite never Data Drains anyone unless he was sure they had any anomaly in them. And so far his "hit list" has all presented something wrong in their data. That's how he works, if its an anomaly however small, he fixes it, he doesn't give a damn about the players. Heartless but efficent.

And no Ovan was not behind him all the time. He only came in when Haseo got pwned.

*not gonna bother making a quote pyramid*

Yes he bothered, I don't deny that fact.

But he wouldn't have bothered if the person attracting him there was Ovan, Ovan had told haseo and I quote here " I'll go there first. " and where was he? Nowhere to be found, therefore he had been ahead of TE still and created the trap for Haseo and TE to fight.

To check if the boy had actually had the power to kill him by summoning his avatar or not, which he failed miserably and he gave haseo the chance to give up or continue playing..since he didn't care anymore.

And besides..if a guy had come come swinging his weapons at you..of course you would bother with them, it's common reaction when a person points a gun at you and you point yours at him.

Marioshinobi wrote:*not gonna bother making a quote pyramid*
Yes he bothered, I don't deny that fact.

But he wouldn't have bothered if the person attracting him there was Ovan, Ovan had told haseo and I quote here " I'll go there first. " and where was he? Nowhere to be found, therefore he had been ahead of TE still and created the trap for Haseo and TE to fight.

Wrong. He said "I have some things to do, I will meet you there". Haseo went to Grima Lowe on the impression that Ovan would catch up. The point I'm trying to make anyway is the Haseo was alredy in Azure Kite's "hit list". When Azure Kite found Haseo he dealt with the anomaly in front of him, right then and there. Wheter Ovan set the trap for Haseo is not relevant.

Marioshinobi wrote:And besides..if a guy had come come swinging his weapons at you..of course you would bother with them, it's common reaction when a person points a gun at you and you point yours at him.

Except Azure Kite drew his weapons first. He drew the gun first, showing his reaction to Haseo was unmistakingly hostile. As opposed to the locker room, where he wasn't even paying attention to Haseo or Atoli. Since Haseo essentialy got all his lvls and Job Extensions legally, he had no problem with Haseo until Haseo attacked him first.

1st thing. I agree wtih you on the Hit List..but Ovan was always on top of that List. Second, in the anime..Ovan was already in the cathedral before he went to Mac anu and contacted Haseo during the arguement with Sakaki. The only reason I would assume TE would even be there is because he wanted Ovan first, not Haseo after all during the whole anime he was chasing the man and not caring much about other people unless they had either been in front of him during the time.

2nd thing. He may have taken out his weapons, he always takes them out first even during the anime and he had appeared with his weapons in the game itself, he was simply prepared. Haseo was the one who had made the first move, which TE had simply blocked and kicked him back. He hadn't even attacked the guy until he blocked his broadsword so I don't think he was being as violent as Haseo was, during the Phyllo battle he was analyzing Phyllo's data so it could be assumed that TE was doing that for Haseo during the beginning of the battle..once he found out he was hacked, he got actually threatning and used around..3 techs..little blast forward, break his weapon, and DD.

Marioshinobi wrote:And Azure Kite is a char that CC Corp took from R:1 and redid and added a AI that obeys them. So most likely they had accepted the fact that Haseo is good enough and told the 3 guys that he's a nice guy and he can be their friend..sorta like Haseo just got approved by CC corp and now has Xth form cause he's a GM/Admin or something ( yet has no powers..unless you count DD )

Actually, Xth form is an illegal upgrade - Precisely why you have the final showdown with the AK at the Cathedral. They most likely simply accepted the fact that they were stuck with him, whether they liked it or not, and joined him in his crusade against Ovan, the one thing they're both after.

I think because Haseo had contact with Harrold(or anyone it could be) is the why he was DDed by Azure Kite, it is a series of factors that made Haseo be DDed, he atacked first, he leveled up and got his third form too fast for the system parameters, he had too much contact with Ovan so he was probably either infected or considered as his "pal", he was in Azure Kite´s way, and so on, so I think it was a combination of factors that made AK DD him, about the white room in Morrigu Barrow, I think that there was something there that weakned him, and BTW, the white room isn´t where the AIDA´s hide like when Haseo deafeated Endrance and Mia created a torrent of AIDA?

What I dont get is, why does Yata not know about the Azure Knights?
Why would he create "GU" to hunt down AIDA's if the AKs do all of the work for them!?

FlameSage wrote:What I dont get is, why does Yata not know about the Azure Knights?
Why would he create "GU" to hunt down AIDA's if the AKs do all of the work for them!?

1. Yata is retard. He didnt know about Midori either, yet he claims himself to be an observant of everything.

2. The main purpose of GU was to gather all Epitaph Users into a certain group, to fight AIDA together. He didnt know Ovan's intentions at all, but suggested that he would be connected to AIDA somehow, because of his discoverments in //Roots.
And the AK's can't do everything on their own. In order to defeat AIDA, they had to deal with Ovan's arm first, and the poor knights had never stand a chance against him. That's why Epitaph Users are needed. The AKs do an very good job, but not enough.

Well, sorry to ask but who/what is Midori?
What?! He know about the Azure Knights, so that he was even intercepting Azure Kite(or at least seeing records of his actions), although he probably don´t know about the others.

http://dothack.wikia.com/wiki/Midori
I don't remember what exactly happened to Midori (AT explained it well but my memory deletes itself everyday, it seems ), but she somehow carried a disease in real life, to inside the game, and infected some people. In the video Yata showed to Haseo, the one Kite is data-draining is a person who was infected with that illness.

I doubt Yata knew about the Azure Knight's true purpose, and thought of Azure Kite as some sort of AI with PKing purposes.
I hate Yata anyways >.>

Of course in every game, if you piss off a admin or GM then they would delete your char but in this case it seems that he got reduced to lvl 1. And Ovan was behind him the whole time, Kite wasn't interested in Haseo really..he's only made to deal with AIDA's and high things..he would normally delete chars ( Yata showed the tape of him doing so ) but the only reason he was there is because of Ovan, not Haseo.

I only think Kite is meant to nulluify the threat by reseting the character back to lvl 1.

He DID bother with Haseo, he Data Drained him for Christ's sake!.Azure Kite never Data Drains anyone unless he was sure they had any anomaly in them. And so far his "hit list" has all presented something wrong in their data. That's how he works, if its an anomaly however small, he fixes it, he doesn't give a damn about the players. Heartless but efficent.

And no Ovan was not behind him all the time. He only came in when Haseo got pwned.

We know from roots that Kite has trouble telling the difference between characters; he started fighting Phyllo and stopped when he realized that Phyllo wasn't Ovan.

My theory about the fight was that Ovan wanted Haseo to have his character reset, because after Skeith is awaken the job extension affects him too; he wanted a super-avatar because a regular avatar would be inable to free him from his AIDA. Thats why Ovan wants Haseo to grow and thats why Shino said that Haseo was "Ovan's future." Also, when Haseo was first in the dungeon with Silabus and Gaspard, Ovan probably tipped of Bordeax so that Haseo would awaken his avatar and still be able to put it through two job extensions.

"I have some things to do, I will meet you there".

Ovan is capable of lieing.

They most likely simply accepted the fact that they were stuck with him, whether they liked it or not, and joined him in his crusade against Ovan, the one thing they're both after.

They don't seem to have complex enough AIs to make decisions, or do anything other than fight threats to the system.

BTW, the white room isn´t where the AIDA´s hide like when Haseo deafeated Endrance and Mia created a torrent of AIDA?

My theory on that is they were sealed by Aina. She was probably the one who sealed Ovan's Aida too. Also, when each Avatar is awaken the AIDA as a whole evolve, and by awakening Azure Kite's avatar  which is probably the dummy avatar the Aida<Helen> was strong enough to break free.

What I dont get is, why does Yata not know about the Azure Knights?
Why would he create "GU" to hunt down AIDA's if the AKs do all of the work for them!?

When I asked that question the general responce was "Yata lied" because the reason Haseo joined was because he thought they would be able to help him, and saying "Oh, he's not really tri-edge, Ovan is" would of been to much to tell Haseo at once.

I don't remember what exactly happened to Midori (AT explained it well but my memory deletes itself everyday, it seems ), but she somehow carried a disease in real life, to inside the game, and infected some people. In the video Yata showed to Haseo, the one Kite is data-draining is a person who was infected with that illness.

Midori irl is suffering from some kind of terminal illness; to help understand her sickness the doctors created a virtual replica of one of her cells. The cell did something they didn't expect; it fully replicated Midori and then somehow leaked itself into The World (kinda like Loop; the third book from Koji Suzuki's Ringu series). The Midori in The World is such a perfect copy that she has a virtual version of the terminal illness too and was infecting PCs who would end up in comas; she was basically what TSN was built to fight against. The PC that Azure Kite data drained in rebirth was infected by Midori and was already in a Tsukasa like state and spreading the infection, and so Azure Kite data drained him and wiped the virus from his character.

it was a dummy tarvos...ovan did come to the catherdral,as haseo got data rain,you see the reflection of ovan.AFk doesnt have an avatar awakening...he just made himself more powerful by DD the area around him.

haseoxth wrote:it was a dummy tarvos...ovan did come to the catherdral,as haseo got data rain,you see the reflection of ovan.AFk doesnt have an avatar awakening...he just made himself more powerful by DD the area around him.

Or better, it still wasn´t explained what The Azure Flame God is, it has a look of an Avatar, but is very close to that as Pi said

Or better, it still wasn´t explained what The Azure Flame God is, it has a look of an Avatar, but is very close to that as Pi said

It most likely is the dummy avatar; the reason it would be similar is probably because it isn't based off of a phase like all the other avatars.

TheSorrow wrote:And the AK's can't do everything on their own. In order to defeat AIDA, they had to deal with Ovan's arm first, and the poor knights had never stand a chance against him. That's why Epitaph Users are needed. The AKs do an very good job, but not enough.

...Granted, Pi and Atoli didn't quite last longer than couple seconds either.

Only person who was able to stand up to Ovan period was Haseo.

I'd go so far as to say that the AKs are more powerful than most Epitaph users. It's just that Haseo is full of HAX.

Ovan didn't smack Haseo with an AIDA weenie though...

I think the Epitaph Users are more powerful than the AKs. Maybe they are more effective on defeating AIDA, but they have a limit, and EU's limit can expand to far ranges, seeing as they have a deep connection with the characters.

Haseo's just powerful because he has a Job Extension that boosts Skeith's strenght. If Sakubo was an Adept Rogue, he/she could be the main character.

That's an interesting way to look at it--saying that Haseo only has an advantage because his class gives him access to those advantages. I really never thought of it like that before.

And here I was thinking that the power of being the main character!!! gave him that advantage, rather than that advantage giving him the status of main character. I'm really narrow-minded.

I just wish Skeith had special attacks the way all other Avatars do, though... It would be fun to use them.

TheSorrow wrote:Ovan didn't smack Haseo with an AIDA weenie though...

Mmhmm. As can be seen from Roots, if it weren't for Ovan's Personal Oscar (AKA trash-can inhabitant from Sesame Street), AFK would've turned Ovan into this week's Chop Suey special.

Haseo's just powerful because he has a Job Extension that boosts Skeith's strenght. If Sakubo was an Adept Rogue, he/she could be the main character.

Nice theory, wonder where I heard it before *looks at my previous post on this thread*. jk.

I just wish Skeith had special attacks the way all other Avatars do, though... It would be fun to use them.

Ah, the irony of Haseo, can't do a single skill (unless you count that slash thing you do when you stun your enemy I guess) yet with one or two job extensions and a little boost from Endrance his regular attacks are instant win.

awkward_confusion wrote:Ah, the irony of Haseo, can't do a single skill (unless you count that slash thing you do when you stun your enemy I guess) yet with one or two job extensions and a little boost from Endrance his regular attacks are instant win.

You don't even need to stun them to use that. You just need to be up close.