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TheSorrow wrote:

It wasn't logged in, but when the copy was destroyed, the real one automatically took it's place.

You mean, when it was destroyed, Kuhn automaticly logged in at that same point?? Then, where was the real Kuhn all the time during the battle??

He means when Haseo killed the copy, the original Kuhn suddenly appeared where the copy use to be.

you people don't understand PROPOGATION!!!!

Kouen wrote:

TheSorrow wrote:

It wasn't logged in, but when the copy was destroyed, the real one automatically took it's place.

You mean, when it was destroyed, Kuhn automaticly logged in at that same point?? Then, where was the real Kuhn all the time during the battle??

He means when Haseo killed the copy, the original Kuhn suddenly appeared where the copy use to be.

But where was the real Kuhn all the time?? Was he actually playing with the copy, or what?

nothere was no copy of anything,avatar of character,or else kuhn would have a flippin army,and theat wouldn't be propogation.

All he did was create extra data when he was drained.

Azure crow wrote:nothere was no copy of anything,avatar of character,or else kuhn would have a flippin army,and theat wouldn't be propogation.

All he did was create extra data when he was drained.

AuraTwilight stated that he used the Propagation ability before the battle started.
And i have yet to see him saying something about .hack that ends up being false.

From what i've understand, he used a copy of Magus and himself during the whole battle, then when he was DDed, the original automaticly took the spot of the fake one, and everything went like normal.
What i dont know is that if the real Kuhn (speaking about real-life Kuhn) was actually using both characters (first the copy, then the original), or if the copy had some sort of AI in it. But i believe he used both, and all he did was copy data.

you cannot copy avatars.
By this logic,you guys are saying that you can crate a copy of an avatar using uber hackng.
And just cuz AuraTwilight is gawd,that dosn't mean that he can defy the definition of the word propogation and outbeat logic.

you guys are also saying that kuhn replaced a copied character with his after is was dded,but nomatter if he was copied or not,if he is manning any pc that is drained,he would be in a coma,so ha!!

Azure crow wrote:you cannot copy avatars.
By this logic,you guys are saying that you can crate a copy of an avatar using uber hackng.
And just cuz AuraTwilight is gawd,that dosn't mean that he can defy the definition of the word propogation and outbeat logic.

you guys are also saying that kuhn replaced a copied character with his after is was dded,but nomatter if he was copied or not,if he is manning any pc that is drained,he would be in a coma,so ha!!

*sigh* -_-
1. Kuhn can copy avatars because that's an ability of his own avatar. Every avatar has abilites that trascend everything you might imagine, and can do stuff that make hacking look like a ball game. Its not 'uberhacking' exactly, because no other person could ever do that, its an ability of something that is out of the system itself. You're not gonna tell me now that Haseo and Endrance OHKOing people at the arena is 'hacking' >.>
2. He's not defying the word propagation, he's just saying that Kuhn used it in a different way than we thought. But, it was propagation after all
3. When the copy disappears, the original takes place, that's what AT explained to us. The original wasnt DDed, it was the copy all the time. So, since the DD didnt affect his original character, he had no risk of losing his own avatar. I have yet to know what happens when an Epitaph User loses his avatar, though, but as long as he has the avatar, he cannot fall into a coma.
My theory says that, when an EU is DDed and loses his avatar, they become normal PCs and are vulnerable of getting comatose, but i need AT to say if i'm correct or not.

nomatter when they are data drained,they will go comatose unless it's to remove infection.
If anything other than my theory was correct,the kuhn would be in a coma,as he would otherwise by still using a character and still be attached to the sytem.
my theory is that when the avatar was drained,which the real one was,is simple PROPOGATED external data that resembled phase 3 genome data,then he pretended to be broken,and then played dead.
any other was he would be in a coma,cuz the drain would have hit the character he was in without the data that magus PROPOGATED being what was taken.

Don't make me right this much again or I'll hit you with a flaming shovel.

You mean, when it was destroyed, Kuhn automaticly logged in at that same point?? Then, where was the real Kuhn all the time during the battle??

Wherever logged off characters are. Duh.

Does that means, Kuhn actually felt the entire battle like if he had fought it?? I didnt understand this one x.X

Basically, if the copy is destroyed, the real one takes it's place.

So, what happens if the real one gets DDed?? He just loses his Avatar, or not even that happens??
And, if he does lose it, then he turns into a normal PC, and therefore able to get comatose??

You can't lose an Avatar except by fectme.

I still don't believe Epitaph PCs can't ever become comatose. They never seem to outright state this. The only example we've seen is Pi and Atoli not being comatose after being killed by Ovan. If Kuhn couldn't become comatose why bother copying himself at all?

Roots episode 25 "No, he can't become Comatose, because he has The Element."

He copied himself so he could make it look like he was destroyed, thus showing Haseo the danger of Skeith.

From what i've understand, he used a copy of Magus and himself during the whole battle, then when he was DDed, the original automaticly took the spot of the fake one, and everything went like normal.
What i dont know is that if the real Kuhn (speaking about real-life Kuhn) was actually using both characters (first the copy, then the original), or if the copy had some sort of AI in it. But i believe he used both, and all he did was copy data.

Kuhn's IRL self was controlling both characters. Creating an AI is probably something for Corbenic.

you cannot copy avatars.

Yes you can.

By this logic,you guys are saying that you can crate a copy of an avatar using uber hackng.

Yea, just like you can invent the Avatars with uber hacking. LIEK DUH

And just cuz AuraTwilight is gawd,that dosn't mean that he can defy the definition of the word propogation and outbeat logic.

1. I'm using Propagation in it's proper context. It means to reproduce, which is exactly what Kuhn did with his Epitaph-PC.

"prop·a·ga·tion (prŏp'ə-gā'shən)
n.
Multiplication or increase, as by natural reproduction."

2. Of course I can outbeat logic, for logically something as awesome as myself cannot exist in the universe, for I am cooler than Chuck Norris, which is logically impossible. But I did it.

1. Kuhn can copy avatars because that's an ability of his own avatar. Every avatar has abilites that trascend everything you might imagine, and can do stuff that make hacking look like a ball game. Its not 'uberhacking' exactly, because no other person could ever do that, its an ability of something that is out of the system itself. You're not gonna tell me now that Haseo and Endrance OHKOing people at the arena is 'hacking' >.>

Well, actually, the Avatars (and by that extension, the Black Box and everything in .hack that's interesting) is technologically possible by human hand, but it's so unfeasibly complicated that it's take too long and would be inefficient, even if we had the technology to do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_Singularity

I have yet to know what happens when an Epitaph User loses his avatar

The PC starts crumbling away and the player suffers from Doll Syndrome. Atoli loses Innis for a short time in Volume 2, and as a result, her arm in the game starts decaying while she becomes unable to use her arm in real life.

nomatter when they are data drained,they will go comatose unless it's to remove infection.

Not if the person has protection, like with an Avatar, or if their heart isn't in the game. It's not so much Data Drain but some esoteric-as-hell "Heart Power" Mind-over-matter stuff that's best left ambiguous.

If anything other than my theory was correct,the kuhn would be in a coma,as he would otherwise by still using a character and still be attached to the sytem.

Stop being a conceited asshole, that's my job. Your theory is wrong and there's atleast three other solutions off the top of my head that work better.

my theory is that when the avatar was drained,which the real one was,is simple PROPOGATED external data that resembled phase 3 genome data,then he pretended to be broken,and then played dead.
any other was he would be in a coma,cuz the drain would have hit the character he was in without the data that magus PROPOGATED being what was taken.

Kuhn even says "lol I copied myself b4 the battle 2 teach u a lesson lol"

AuraTwilight wrote:

You mean, when it was destroyed, Kuhn automaticly logged in at that same point?? Then, where was the real Kuhn all the time during the battle??

Wherever logged off characters are. Duh.

Does that means, Kuhn actually felt the entire battle like if he had fought it?? I didnt understand this one x.X

Basically, if the copy is destroyed, the real one takes it's place.

So, what happens if the real one gets DDed?? He just loses his Avatar, or not even that happens??
And, if he does lose it, then he turns into a normal PC, and therefore able to get comatose??

You can't lose an Avatar except by fectme.

I still don't believe Epitaph PCs can't ever become comatose. They never seem to outright state this. The only example we've seen is Pi and Atoli not being comatose after being killed by Ovan. If Kuhn couldn't become comatose why bother copying himself at all?

Roots episode 25 "No, he can't become Comatose, because he has The Element."

He copied himself so he could make it look like he was destroyed, thus showing Haseo the danger of Skeith.

From what i've understand, he used a copy of Magus and himself during the whole battle, then when he was DDed, the original automaticly took the spot of the fake one, and everything went like normal.
What i dont know is that if the real Kuhn (speaking about real-life Kuhn) was actually using both characters (first the copy, then the original), or if the copy had some sort of AI in it. But i believe he used both, and all he did was copy data.

Kuhn's IRL self was controlling both characters. Creating an AI is probably something for Corbenic.

you cannot copy avatars.

Yes you can.

By this logic,you guys are saying that you can crate a copy of an avatar using uber hackng.

Yea, just like you can invent the Avatars with uber hacking. LIEK DUH

And just cuz AuraTwilight is gawd,that dosn't mean that he can defy the definition of the word propogation and outbeat logic.

1. I'm using Propagation in it's proper context. It means to reproduce, which is exactly what Kuhn did with his Epitaph-PC.

"prop·a·ga·tion (prŏp'ə-gā'shən)
n.
Multiplication or increase, as by natural reproduction."

2. Of course I can outbeat logic, for logically something as awesome as myself cannot exist in the universe, for I am cooler than Chuck Norris, which is logically impossible. But I did it.

1. Kuhn can copy avatars because that's an ability of his own avatar. Every avatar has abilites that trascend everything you might imagine, and can do stuff that make hacking look like a ball game. Its not 'uberhacking' exactly, because no other person could ever do that, its an ability of something that is out of the system itself. You're not gonna tell me now that Haseo and Endrance OHKOing people at the arena is 'hacking' >.>

Well, actually, the Avatars (and by that extension, the Black Box and everything in .hack that's interesting) is technologically possible by human hand, but it's so unfeasibly complicated that it's take too long and would be inefficient, even if we had the technology to do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_Singularity

I have yet to know what happens when an Epitaph User loses his avatar

The PC starts crumbling away and the player suffers from Doll Syndrome. Atoli loses Innis for a short time in Volume 2, and as a result, her arm in the game starts decaying while she becomes unable to use her arm in real life.

nomatter when they are data drained,they will go comatose unless it's to remove infection.

Not if the person has protection, like with an Avatar, or if their heart isn't in the game. It's not so much Data Drain but some esoteric-as-hell "Heart Power" Mind-over-matter stuff that's best left ambiguous.

If anything other than my theory was correct,the kuhn would be in a coma,as he would otherwise by still using a character and still be attached to the sytem.

Stop being a conceited asshole, that's my job. Your theory is wrong and there's atleast three other solutions off the top of my head that work better.

my theory is that when the avatar was drained,which the real one was,is simple PROPOGATED external data that resembled phase 3 genome data,then he pretended to be broken,and then played dead.
any other was he would be in a coma,cuz the drain would have hit the character he was in without the data that magus PROPOGATED being what was taken.

Kuhn even says "lol I copied myself b4 the battle 2 teach u a lesson lol"

....thats some serious pwnage

Indeed. lol

Wherever logged off characters are. Duh.

Kuhn's IRL self was controlling both characters. Creating an AI is probably something for Corbenic.

Sorry, for some reason, i kept thinking there was an AI Kuhn fighting and the real Kuhn was somewhere offline, which is why i was too confused. Thanks for clearing it out, AT

The PC starts crumbling away and the player suffers from Doll Syndrome. Atoli loses Innis for a short time in Volume 2, and as a result, her arm in the game starts decaying while she becomes unable to use her arm in real life.

Not if the person has protection, like with an Avatar, or if their heart isn't in the game. It's not so much Data Drain but some esoteric-as-hell "Heart Power" Mind-over-matter stuff that's best left ambiguous.

Thanks for clearing that out, too.

there was so much pwning just know,my computer had to reboot in safe mode....(not really)

haseoxth wrote:there was so much pwning just know,my computer had to reboot in safe mode....(not really)

You must have a shitty computer.

Bulletcatcher wrote:

haseoxth wrote:there was so much pwning just know,my computer had to reboot in safe mode....(not really)

You must have a shitty computer.

i said not really....my pc is pretty good....

Can't fight against AuraTwilight now :3

He won't give up XD

Unless you do best him, which is rarely done : D

So what does Kuhn's propagation have to do with Haseo and his Xth form

Marioshinobi wrote:Can't fight against AuraTwilight now :3

He won't give up XD

Unless you do best him, which is rarely done : D

So what does Kuhn's propagation have to do with Haseo and his Xth form

Unless BandaiNamco releases official material that goes against whatever AT theorizes. No idea, what does propogation have to do with Xth Form and how early he gets it? Unless you're talking about Skeith, but that's a different topic.

Yah..isn't this topic already answered? He does his his 3rd from before Xth..so..er..why is it still alive?

Marioshinobi wrote:So what does Kuhn's propagation have to do with Haseo and his Xth form

Well, we were first talking about the forms, then about Haseo, then some crow guy started debating that Skeith was special of some sort, then it somehow lead to talking about if he DDed Kuhn, and about Kuhn and Magus themselves.
A normal case of off-topic

yea...so how are we gonna be back on topic...if the thread questions is already answered...?

...Is that even possible? o.o
The question's answered, then the topic is solved. And there's nothing much we can do but talk about random stuff like i am right now, until someone gets and locks it...Its possible to keep talking of the 3rd form and Xth form and stuff....but it would be like repeating the same over and over...and maybe sort of off-topic too (since this topic is not about discussing...is simply answer a question...or 'was')

I ramble too much >3