Old characters to return and make cameos?

Post by **Kuukai** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:57 am

Ummm, I wouldn't say Ovan knows the most. Yata seems like he might know more... And Endrance has crazy powers... Pretty much all the infinity characters you don't get in your party (as far as we know) are crazy suspicious...

Slightly more on-topic: they're still remixin' Bal's tunes. ^^ That doesn't mean he's not gone forever, but he seems to still have a place in their hearts, so I wouldn't count on it

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 2:57 am

What makes you think we won't have those three in our party? They're my three favourite characters!

I mean they do look powerful so there's no doubt you wouldn't get them for a while but...COME ON!!!

What I meant was that he's the one with the most information in the confirmed storyline. Yata does seem very well informed and Endrance does show obvious signs of knowledge outside the ordinary but we haven't heard from them yet.

But I'd better get those three at some point or there'll be hell to pay...

Edit: That music seems to be a christmas 'present' from the .Hack team, just the theme tune of a favourite character remixed into a christmas tune. So, yah, just before anyone jumps to conclusions of Balmung's presence in The World.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:07 pm

Ovan's status as the Rebirth being responsible for Tri-Edge (A rebirth of Kite.) That might be possible :O Ovan might've done it on accident and is looking for a way to reverse it, though.

Snake · Post by **Snake** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:11 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Ovan's status as the Rebirth being responsible for Tri-Edge (A rebirth of Kite.) That might be possible :O Ovan might've done it on accident and is looking for a way to reverse it, though.

Could be. Unless it just happens.

Dot-Hack-Rocks · Post by **Dot-Hack-Rocks** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:08 pm

Snake wrote:
AuraTwilight wrote:Ovan's status as the Rebirth being responsible for Tri-Edge (A rebirth of Kite.) That might be possible :O Ovan might've done it on accident and is looking for a way to reverse it, though.

Could be. Unless it just happens.

Maybe Ovan didn't do it on accident. I mean, how else would he have gotten his power to rebirth? from whom? I doubt for a fact it's Aura..but maybe there's a hidden AI wanting to continue Morganna's rule our something. Maybe, Ovan wanted to see if Haseo could be Tri-Edge, and if not, then Haseo would become the true 'Terror of Death' like Skieth!! kind of like a win win situation for ovan.

Post by **Kuukai** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:22 pm

Umbra wrote:What makes you think we won't have those three in our party? They're my three favourite characters! I mean they do look powerful so there's no doubt you wouldn't get them for a while but...COME ON!!!

What I meant was that he's the one with the most information in the confirmed storyline. Yata does seem very well informed and Endrance does show obvious signs of knowledge outside the ordinary but we haven't heard from them yet.

But I'd better get those three at some point or there'll be hell to pay...

Edit: That music seems to be a christmas 'present' from the .Hack team, just the theme tune of a favourite character remixed into a christmas tune. So, yah, just before anyone jumps to conclusions of Balmung's presence in The World.

Well, the reason I doubt you get them in the first game is that there are three games, each supposed to be more "self-contained" than before, but all of them revolving around those eight characters. If you get them all in Saitan, that'll just be ridiculous... From the trailer, the "juicy bits" of this game seem to focus on Haseo and Pai. Though other characters certainly appear, I can't really imagine Haseo or Pai's stories being told from a different perspective, while this is totally easy to imagine for all the "mysterious" characters... Might be wrong, it's just a theory, but I think the other characters will remain mysterious until the story is told from their perspectives (possibly even hopping back in the timeline).

I didn't say it meant that, just that they chose Balmung

They did Mistral last time and remember? They brought her back!

(the music came out after the fact I think, but still...)

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:20 am

Well, yes, I do expect to get them later on...

So all three games revolve around the eight Infinity Characters? Are you sure there won't be new characters when they come around?

This game is bigger than the four games and you had a pile of allies in those four, who's to say you won't get them in the game? they'd have to be VERY powerful to be worth the effort.

But i'll wait, as long as we do get them, it'll be worth the effort.

Post by **Kuukai** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:14 pm

I mean, I might be wrong, but the trailer gave me that impression. It's like, "These are the characters!" and then "These are the game titles!"

And the thing is, all of your allies in the original games were around your level or lower when you got them. Even Balmung and Orca didn't have Data Drain... But in this game, Endrance has weird floating balls of oblivion... Seems kinda out of your league. Also, without powerful NPCs like Helba and Lios, a lot of the advances in the plot of the first four games wouldn't have happened, so I think some of the 8 characters will be filling those roles, since Triedge doesn't talk much... We'll see, I guess...

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 1:57 am

Maybe Ovan didn't do it on accident. I mean, how else would he have gotten his power to rebirth? from whom? I doubt for a fact it's Aura..but maybe there's a hidden AI wanting to continue Morganna's rule our something. Maybe, Ovan wanted to see if Haseo could be Tri-Edge, and if not, then Haseo would become the true 'Terror of Death' like Skieth!! kind of like a win win situation for ovan.

Because creating a spontanious AI is just SO easy to do -_-; His power of rebirth might not even be a power. It could just be symbolism that he earned by setting Tri-Edge free or whatever. As for AI's continuing Morganna's role, yea, that's what Aura's been doing. This "Being Tri-Edge" and "True Terror of Death" stuff you seemed to have pulled out of your behind.

So all three games revolve around the eight Infinity Characters? Are you sure there won't be new characters when they come around?

This game is bigger than the four games and you had a pile of allies in those four, who's to say you won't get them in the game? they'd have to be VERY powerful to be worth the effort.

Well, of course we'll have other characters. These eight are just the most important.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:08 am

Kuukai wrote:I mean, I might be wrong, but the trailer gave me that impression. It's like, "These are the characters!" and then "These are the game titles!"

And the thing is, all of your allies in the original games were around your level or lower when you got them. Even Balmung and Orca didn't have Data Drain... But in this game, Endrance has weird floating balls of oblivion... Seems kinda out of your league. Also, without powerful NPCs like Helba and Lios, a lot of the advances in the plot of the first four games wouldn't have happened, so I think some of the 8 characters will be filling those roles, since Triedge doesn't talk much... We'll see, I guess...

I don't feel that they will be out of Haseo's league, I mean, Kite played alongside the legendary Balmung of the Azure Sky in the third game.

Endrance does have a very unusual power, but we don't know what that is yet...Is it some form of illegal power? Or is it just a power you gain by becoming very powerful? You may need such a power to progress, Endrance may be a hacker which would be necessary for getting to illegal areas.

While you are right in saying that Helba and Lios were important plot-wise, it'd be hard to class them as main characters in the sense that Blackrose, Mia, and Balmung were.

I think we'll have to wait until the second game at the very least before we can ally with the more powerful Infinity Characters, but I do think that is inevitable. I mean, both Trailers have given me the impression that "you'll be playing with these characters!"

Post by **Kuukai** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 1:42 pm

Balmung didn't have crazyweird powers, and he knew less about what was going on than Kite. Characters with lots of power or information (Helba, Lios, etc.), you never actually get during the plot proper.

And yeah, I think you'll eventually play as them, but the second and third games might not be from Haseo's perspective, and might start earlier and show what's happening with those characters "behind the scenes" of the first one. I got that impression from the interviews, at least, that the stories were kinda independant, but we're stuck with the same 8 characters for all of them...

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:57 am

But Kite did have strange powers, something Haseo appears to be lacking...

As for information, Wiseman knew a lot about the incident, so its not unheard of for well-informed players to join your party.

Helba and Lios are too powerful to join your party, both have powers that elevate them to an almost god-like status in The World. Both of them had good reasons for not assisting directly, such as Helba's need to maintain the Net Slum and Lios' administrative duties.

Yata appears to be a Wiseman sort of character, very well informed and capable of assisting you within the game more directly. Ovan will probably be like Balmung, befriending Haseo through their rivalry. Endrance will probably act like Mia, helping you when its in his/her best interests.

I think the independant storyline means that we'll be playing as Haseo, but in a different story. So the second one may not be about Tri-Edge, but some other incident within The World R:2.

Cless · Post by **Cless** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:01 pm

Sweet so that means A-20 will make an surprise visit.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:38 pm

Cless wrote:Sweet so that means A-20 will make an surprise visit.

Wha? No! >_<

There has been no confirmation of characters 'visiting' during the game. However, it has been confirmed that they pley no part in the story.

Add to that the complete re-creation of The World and chances of such an event happening seem very slim.

Post by **Kuukai** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:50 am

Umbra wrote:But Kite did have strange powers, something Haseo appears to be lacking...

As for information, Wiseman knew a lot about the incident, so its not unheard of for well-informed players to join your party.

Helba and Lios are too powerful to join your party, both have powers that elevate them to an almost god-like status in The World. Both of them had good reasons for not assisting directly, such as Helba's need to maintain the Net Slum and Lios' administrative duties.

Yata appears to be a Wiseman sort of character, very well informed and capable of assisting you within the game more directly. Ovan will probably be like Balmung, befriending Haseo through their rivalry. Endrance will probably act like Mia, helping you when its in his/her best interests.

I think the independant storyline means that we'll be playing as Haseo, but in a different story. So the second one may not be about Tri-Edge, but some other incident within The World R:2.

Yata is a mysterious guildleader who's been watching Haseo and knows things he hasn't even heard of. Endrance has inexplicable powers and calls you weak and pathetic. It just seems unlikely you'll get them in the first game.

Umbra wrote:
Cless wrote:Sweet so that means A-20 will make an surprise visit.
Wha? No! >_<

There has been no confirmation of characters 'visiting' during the game. However, it has been confirmed that they pley no part in the story.

Add to that the complete re-creation of The World and chances of such an event happening seem very slim.

When was that comfirmed? Like, when did they specifically say old character will play no part in the story?

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:57 am

Kuukai wrote:Yata is a mysterious guildleader who's been watching Haseo and knows things he hasn't even heard of. Endrance has inexplicable powers and calls you weak and pathetic. It just seems unlikely you'll get them in the first game.

I understand that, in fact I agree with you, it does seem unlikely that you'll get them in Resurrection. But in the scheme of things, I don't doubt that you will ally with them.

Kuukai wrote:When was that comfirmed? Like, when did they specifically say old character will play no part in the story?

They don't specifically say that, but in an interview, wasn't it confirmed that these characters are entirely new and have no direct connection to the past .Hack stories?

I still doubt A-20 of all people would show up, Balmung or someone similar would make more sense.

Post by **Kuukai** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:28 am

Well, that applies to the 8 main characters at best. That doesn't mean the secondary characters are all new, nor do I think it means the new cast can't be connected in any way to the old. I guess it's open to interpetation though. And I agree, A-20 only "really" appears once in the actual games, right? And unless she has the same name, her character isn't exactly developed well enough to recognize, I don't think. A new character could use the "ssu" suffix like she does, and be completely unrelated to her...

Skeith_209 · Post by **Skeith_209** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:39 am

i think they may show some flash back of kite and blackrose but i dont think they will put kite in, wasnt his avatar turned into tri-edge if thats the case then he wouldnt be able to log in.!?

ULFRIC · Post by **ULFRIC** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:22 am

well then where would that put BlackRose?
I mean if her best friends character haz gone all grr
Wouldnt she go to investigate?

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:57 am

She wouldn't investigate if she ddn't know about it.

I don't think either of them know about the incidents occuring, if they did, I'd expect them to play a pretty active role themselves.

Of course, the only weapon they had against Morganna in the previous games was the Bracelet and we all know Tri-Edge has that now.

I don't think either of them will show up at all.