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Not true, Ryou who appeared with Cyberdramon was also a major part of the first 2 seasons

Ryou only appeared as a flashback in season 2

Keyaki wrote:

Not true, Ryou who appeared with Cyberdramon was also a major part of the first 2 seasons

Ryou only appeared as a flashback in season 2

Not only that,
Digimon Our War Game: The one on the laptop in the mountains
Digimon seasons 2+3
Digimon games:
Digimon Adventure: Anode/Cathode Tamer
Digimon Adventure 02: Tag Tamers
Digimon Adventure 02: D-1 Tamers
Digimon Tamers: Brave Tamer

...Yea I know all that. I'm saying that Ryou didn't pose much as a role in Season 2 as he only showed as a flashback of what happened back in the Tamer games.

Keyaki wrote:...Yea I know all that. I'm saying that Ryou didn't pose much as a role in Season 2 as he only showed as a flashback of what happened back in the Tamer games.

Yeah, back when I was younger and watched it I was so confused on what was going on at the moment.
Of course I still watched cause Ken was one of my favorite characters
Also back on topic I played lost evolution, it was fun and they had a **** load of digi scans including the royal knights WOOT!
But I still went with my fav digimon Dorumon!

Ryo exists in the Tamers universe due to a universal reboot. While originally an Adventure character that knew Ken, his journey through the various dimensions required him to reboot his existence along with that of Milleniummon's. He is, as far as anyone in the multiverse can tell, born in the Tamers world and is a part of it, and Seasons 1+2 are just a TV show to him. He even has a family there!

Ken is the only person who remembers Ryo whatsoever, due to their intimate connection and the fact that without Ryo's existence, Ken's backstory makes no sense to the fabric of space/time.

I just wanted to say Savers>Tamers, that is all.

Azure Kite wrote:I just wanted to say Savers<Tamers, that is all.

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TheEnigma wrote:

Azure Kite wrote:I just wanted to say Savers<Tamers, that is all.

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I agree.

TheEnigma wrote:

Azure Kite wrote:I just wanted to say Bancholeomon>angsty Evangelion knock off show, that is all.

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Actually it was meant to say.

Azure Kite wrote:

TheEnigma wrote:

Azure Kite wrote:I just wanted to say Bancholeomon>angsty Evangelion knock off, that is all.

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Actually it was meant to say.

Ok i can agree with that on some level.

I don't see how you can possibly see Tamers as an angsty Evangelion knockoff in any sense but the vaguest usage of common tropes. Just because both series have depressed kids with dead mothers doesn't mean one's the knockoff of the other.

AuraTwilight wrote:I don't see how you can possibly see Tamers as an angsty Evangelion knockoff in any sense but the vaguest usage of common tropes. Just because both series have depressed kids with dead mothers doesn't mean one's the knockoff of the other.

Mostly a joke in what I was saying(I like Tamers alot), aside from the many Evangelion references, and the main writer being a huge Evangelion fan, it's not just character archetypes.

Wargrowlmon being the largest offender of having straight Eva Unit design in him, and Takato feeling the pain he does in his first scene he appeared being some of the very obvious references.

D-Reaper having a very similar mask to Lilith(with the same goal), Gallantmon Crimson Mode and awakened Eva-01, etc.

Mostly a joke in what I was saying(I like Tamers alot), aside from the many Evangelion references, and the main writer being a huge Evangelion fan, it's not just character archetypes.

References do not equal copying. I can reference something without actually borrowing any content from it.

Wargrowlmon being the largest offender of having straight Eva Unit design in him, and Takato feeling the pain he does in his first scene he appeared being some of the very obvious references.

In what way does Wargrowlmon resemble an Evangelion in any way? He's waaaaaay too bulky. Takato feeling the pain he does isn't an Evangelion reference, it's a usage of a trope that's been in usage since probably the 80's. As long as there have been Mon shows and ineffectual child protagonists, there has been the "Empathic Link."

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... dCreatures Digimon are this.

D-Reaper having a very similar mask to Lilith(with the same goal), Gallantmon Crimson Mode and awakened Eva-01, etc.

None of these things have any resemblance to each other. And if you thought Lilith's goal was the destruction of all life on the planet, then you don't know enough about Evangelion to be drawing comparisons.

In what way does Wargrowlmon resemble an Evangelion in any way? He's waaaaaay too bulky.

The design of his face mask, the the metal shoulder armor pieces, the "umbilical cord" coming out of the back.

Takato feeling the pain he does isn't an Evangelion reference, it's a usage of a trope that's been in usage since probably the 80's. As long as there have been Mon shows and ineffectual child protagonists, there has been the "Empathic Link."

It was on top of Wargrowlmon's design.

None of these things have any resemblance to each other. And if you thought Lilith's goal was the destruction of all life on the planet, then you don't know enough about Evangelion to be drawing comparisons.

The mask do resemble each other, and I know Lilith's goal wasn't destruction of life on Earth, but the means to absorbing all human life, just like the D-Reaper, I should of specified as the means to that goal and not the goal itself.

References do not equal copying. I can reference something without actually borrowing any content from it.

I wasn't serious in saying it was a copy of Evangelion, only it draws similarities and designs from the series.

Didn't mean to go on about this anyway, let's discuss Xros Wars instead.

The design of his face mask, the the metal shoulder armor pieces, the "umbilical cord" coming out of the back.

Yea, none of that are Eva-style at all. Even if they were similar, they're both based on more classic 80's mecha designs.

It was on top of Wargrowlmon's design.

What was?

The mask do resemble each other, and I know Lilith's goal wasn't destruction of life on Earth, but the means to absorbing all human life, just like the D-Reaper, I should of specified as the means to that goal and not the goal itself.

The masks do not resemble each other. For one thing, the Evangelions all have varied facial structures. WarGrowlmon has a ***** mechanical jaw. Big effing difference.

Lilith's goal was to grant Shinji's desires. He decided, at the time, to go with Instrumentality, so Lilith began absorbing everyone's souls while trying to convince Shinji to change his mind.

The D-Reaper's goal was to delete all sentient life, seeing humans and Digimon as being "too evolved" and went on an omnicidal rampage via pure deletion and trying to initiate hyper-Global Warming.

I wasn't serious in saying it was a copy of Evangelion, only it draws similarities and designs from the series.

It's still tremendously retarded. Just because two franchises share attributes doesn't mean one inspired the other. All works of fiction draw upon the same collective consciousness of ideas. The human imagination is finite in it's content even if it's infinite in how it can arrange information. This is how "new ideas" are created.

Besides, if Digimon Tamers drew inspiration from anything, it'd be Serial Experiments Lain. Evangelion had no cyberpunk influences.

The masks do not resemble each other. For one thing, the Evangelions all have varied facial structures. WarGrowlmon has a ***** mechanical jaw. Big effing difference.

That was actually about Lilith and D-Reaper's mask.

Though Wargrowlmon's was based off Eva-01's to be specific.

Lilith's goal was to grant Shinji's desires. He decided, at the time, to go with Instrumentality, so Lilith began absorbing everyone's souls while trying to convince Shinji to change his mind.

The D-Reaper's goal was to delete all sentient life, seeing humans and Digimon as being "too evolved" and went on an omnicidal rampage via pure deletion and trying to initiate hyper-Global Warming.

I clarified it wasn't the goal I meant.

It's still tremendously retarded. Just because two franchises share attributes doesn't mean one inspired the other. All works of fiction draw upon the same collective consciousness of ideas. The human imagination is finite in it's content even if it's infinite in how it can arrange information. This is how "new ideas" are created.

Besides, if Digimon Tamers drew inspiration from anything, it'd be Serial Experiments Lain. Evangelion had no cyberpunk influences.

Well he did write Lain, and I do see it as a definite influence that carried over.

I'll just leave this as a difference of opinion now.

That was actually about Lilith and D-Reaper's mask.

There's even less similarities. The masks are two different colors, Lilith's mask has seven painted on eyes made in a kabbalistic arrangement and is perfectly smooth, while the D-Reaper's mask has one huge orb in it as a containment cell along with a bunch of grooves in it. What, exactly, do the masks have in common?

Though Wargrowlmon's was based off Eva-01's to be specific.

Only if you've never seen a goddamn Evangelion. In what way is WarGrowlmon's bulky, cumbersome, tank-like design remniscent of the more beastial, nimble, slender, dancer-like Evangelions?

I clarified it wasn't the goal I meant.

The means aren't similar either, so what the hell is the intended similarity?