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It has to be Haseo cuz he actually beat Kite in the new games. Yeah Kite was an AI but it still means that Haseo is better. Yea he was data drained by Kite in .Hack//Rebirth but Haseo came back and beat him now didn't he.

... Uh. Kuhn, read the thread. Your logic is badly flawed.

How so? cuz that's my opinion and it's the truth ain't it? And if i think Haseo is better then I am just backing myself on y i think that.

The issue with data drain that everyone is forgetting, is that those with power with data drain are partially protected from the full power of data drain. Remamber in the R1 game, the phases would DD kite many times but it only damaged him, it never threw him into a coma, unlike it did to Orca because Orca did not have the power of the bracelet. And I do think that Kite would be able to see the avatars because at the core of all the avatars is the power of the bracelet, which leads me to believe it is the power of the bracelet that allows them to see each other, and not just because they have the cloak of an avatar.

Also, when you say there is a 50 level differance, rememebr differant stats. Lets say the max points you can get in any stat is 100 for both versions, for arguments sake. If max lvl is 100, then you would get 1 point in a stat every level. If max level was 150, then every 2 out of 3 levels you would get 1 point in that stat. Yes I know that their stats maxed out at differant points in both versions, but also rememebr the amount of power that 1 point is a stat was differant in each game.

If there was a fight between the 2, I would have to say that they would both have to use twin blades, Kite because it is his only weapon(duh) but for Haseo, rememebr that each weapon was used for differant fights. The Scythe was used for when he has many enemies around him and was outnumbered. The Sword was slow and meant for heavily armored foes who also moved slowly, so it wouldn't help try to swing it at kite when he can run up, hit once or twice and then run away to get out of the way. I rememebr in R2 the smaller faster enemies were able to get out of the way before I could fully swing. The guns, fired fast and at a distance, and yes even knocked up enemies into the air, but only enemies who were weaker and as small as Haseo's size. And if I rememebr correctly, you always had to be at a bit of a distance to get them to work properaly. To far and they did no damage, to close and get hit and you would get stunned for a split second, which I think could be enough for Kite to get in. All of Kites special attacks, like Staccatto, made Kite dash in at the enemy really fast and unleashed a flurry of attacks. So the only weapon Haseo can use to fight evenly is Twin Blades, match speed with speed.

And you must remember what Cubia is, he is the Yang to both characters Yin, for a balance of power. Cubia was created from the system of both worlds when something powerful is introduced, this case being the Power of Data Drain. Both characters did defeat Cubia, but Kite did it with just his 2 party mates and the power of his one bracelet which only sent Cubia back to sleep. Kite did have to destry the bracelet to make this happen too. Haseo on the other hand had to combine the power of all 8 avatar phases plus the powe rof all PC's logged in the world at the time to also defeat Cubia, which leads me to believe that the all of the avatars have only 1/8 the power of Kites bracelt and must be combined to have as much power as Kite's bracelet and it was the extra boost from PC's which gave him enough power to destroy Cubia. Without that help taken from PC's, I doubt he would have had the power destroyed Cubia.

So who would win in a 1vs1? My money is on Kite if Haseo is in Xth form and only has Skeith, cause Adept Rogues aren't as powerful with a single weapon like the original classes and has differant weapons to make up for this.

And would people stop saying Haseo beat Kite in R2, he did no such thing, he never even met Kite. He met Azure Kite, which was an AI that Aura created to destroyed illegal things in the world. She gave them to Haseo to help him, since Haseo was a PC with a real brain and could thinks and tell the differance between good and bad. Azure Kite was just an AI that went after any anomaly in the game, and couldn't tell the differance between good or bad. Aura is the ultimate AI created from the 8 phases which Harold made in R1. To get the other AI's at the same level of intelligence as Aura, I think they would have to go through the same process as Aura's birth.

And the forum rank is appropriate, a Lurker, I visit the site a lot, just barely ever post lol.

Kite, because he can fly.

Well, Haseo would win in a fight hands down, but as far as the characters go, I'd say they are pretty much equal. I do however think Haseo is a bit more three dimensional than Kite.

Kite
Pros:
-Charismatic
-Empathic
-is a pimp
-has a pimp hat
-actually gave innuendo mail to Blackrose

Cons:
-He reeks of Mary Sue-ism

Haseo
Pros:
-very frank and up to the point
-caring
-is a pimp
-has a pimp white suit

Cons:
-an a-hole
-TRIES to be badass (emphasis on trying)
-Cries like a baby

Personally I prefer Kite because i find him more believable as a leader who would save The World. He has that simple aura that draws people to him. Even jerks like Marlo or money-grubers like Rachel are drawn to befriend him and actually risk themselves to help him. He also has a good dynamic with Blackrose, I like how they connect with each other, eventually developing mutual trust.

I don't like Haseo, though I appreciate how he develops. He pretty much draws others by circumstance. Most of the characters that join him either only because they have to, or they have alot of a patience to his being a jerk. I find it hard to believe that Atoli would still stick with him after the way he screamed at her back in Volume 1. Their relationship is a bit forced really. Of course the good part of that is, the personalities of the other characters shine more as they interact with Haseo.

So basically I like Kite better than Haseo, but I like Haseo's party better than Kite's party.

Not meaning to grossly simplify my answer to this question, as I'd love to expound on it, but I'm gonna keep it short:

Other than the costume, of which I abhor, Kite. He has greater skill with his abilities and also has backing from the two greatest badasses ever. Besides, I personally believe the R:1 was more difficult than R:2. The data drain ability carries a great deal with Kite, as Haseo, with his avatar form was able to perform it, but not to the extent that Kite could. Also, since Kite was able to take down the Morganna Factor, and Haseo carries a piece of the Morganna Factor, I would come to the conclusion that Kite is just all out better.

i know i have already said that(and i made the question) but still i thik that both are equally powerful seing all the arguments that are stated here. Also we maybe will see the answer in this new hack manga that is supposed to be released maybe soon.

Sorry Thamorian but your logic is also flawed, In R:1 alot of people who didn't actually use (or have) the ability to use data drained were data drained and not thrown into comas.

*remebers his fight with skeith and how many times BlackRose got a bad case of teh datar dreins*

Needless to say Kite was pretty awesome, and Azure Kite was even better, but Haseo was i don't know.. Kind of cool? I didn't like how he whined all the time about what Ovan told him to do and well he was pretty much just an obsessive weirdo. I mean jeez if one of my friends went into a coma during a video game and i was there i would totally do all i could to help, But finding them in real life, sitting by their bedside all the time, and going partially insane for quite a while would be taking it wayyy too far. And that whole thing with Alkaid? Mehhhh don't even get me started on that one.

ANYWAY back to my original point, Kite was definetly way cooler than Haseo and the only reason he was cooler than Haseo is because Kite no longer plays "The World."

But since Haseo does still play the world and has Skeith at his command I'd have to say that Haseo wins for the time being. Although who knows, I hear Kite is in .hack//Link or some shniz like that.


*and one last side note: Haseo's a poser, Kite totally had his character data hacked first >:D*

-Loveless- wrote:Haseo. Who wouldn't love those tight ass pants. 8D

Its no match for Kite's Pimp Hat.

Also. Id' like to point out if you want compare Kite and Haseo in combat, DD and Avatars shouldn't count. Those are just cheap built in I.W.I.N buttons. That being said, Kite and Haseo are from 2 games with very different combat systems. It will be hard to compare them.

I belive even kites presents would cause skeith to go berserk, because kite contains some of old skieths data, and the other phazes. Yes, CC corp got the data to make the skeith avatar, but remember? Kites data was untouchable, and he had absorbed the data of the phazes into his PC (some of you may claim it was just into his braclet that he destroyed, but then ask yourself this, why would he get viral infection if the data didnt go into his PC and was acualy stored in the braclet?)

The braclet rewrote all of kites data, he should be able to see the avatars seeing as how hes close to the status of the phazes. Yes, the phazes are differnt than the avatars, but their data is still similar.

Haseo would be alot stronger, but kite would have a larger variety of skills. depending on how equal their strength is, would depend on the outcome, because kite would attack more stratigaly, and haseo would plow on through, but overall, haseo has more of a chance of winning than kite.

You can't realy compare that much with them that well though, because you dont know how differnt kite would act in the newer enviroment of R2, because he would have to acualy learn skills instead of equiping items, and he would have combo's, and he would be locked into a small bubble for the fight instead of using chase to his advantage, ect.

Well, if you think about it, each of them is stronger in "their" version of the World

With Kite, it's kinda confusing, but try following...
SPOILER WARNING!!!


Since Haseo is Sora, and Sora was beaten by Skeith really easily (He got DD'ed by him), so that makes Skeith technically stronger than Sora, even with Skeith's ability to DD, too bad Sora couldn't resist getting into a coma...anyways...Kite eventually destroyed Skeith, so he technically stronger that Skeith, making him stronger than Sora. In R:1, Kite wins. (Hells Yeah! XD)

In R:2, when Azure Kite DD's Haseo (HAH, second time you got DD'd XD), Haseo looses all his power, but eventually, in the end of Rebirth, Haseo destroys Azure Kite (DAMN IT DX) with the help of Skeith (CURSE YOU IRONY!), and then again is Redemption, he beats him again, along with his lackeys...damn it..

So, if you look at it this way, they're both better than the other in their corresponding [World]'s.

That circular logic doesn't really work. For one thing, Kite is resistant to DD, and he had his friends help him against Skeith. And Azure Kite is a retard, who can't even DD someone properly, I'm pretty sure Kite would have little trouble with him. Avatars on the other hand are faster and more intelligent since they're actually controlled by players. So Haseo would be even stonger that Skeith in IMOQ.

And again I point out that these shouldn't be counted because DD and Avatars are just cheap I.W.I.N.S.

Fragments.beta wrote:That circular logic doesn't really work. For one thing, Kite is resistant to DD, and he had his friends help him against Skeith. And Azure Kite is a retard, who can't even DD someone properly, I'm pretty sure Kite would have little trouble with him. Avatars on the other hand are faster and more intelligent since they're actually controlled by players. So Haseo would be even stonger that Skeith in IMOQ.

And again I point out that these shouldn't be counted because DD and Avatars are just cheap I.W.I.N.S.

Change I.W.I.N.S. to K.W.I.N.S.

Haseo. His weapons all get different patterns for attacking and he gets to charge his attacks. He also gets to attack WAY faster, even the broadsword goes faster. He gets to memorize all of his moves, when Kite only gets a few at a time. He took out Cubia permanetly without losing the epitaphs, but Kite had to destroy his illegal power. Kite was only able to put it to sleep for a while. Haseo was using the complete power of epitaphs just like Kite was using all the power the TB.

Sora didn't fight Skeith. He got stuck on a stick that came out of the ground and DDed. Kite was able to resist because of Aura, and he had friends help him with every phase. Haseo was able to beat each one by himself, even ones powered up by AIDA. That, and Kite had an easier time fighting walls and leaves then Haseo did fighting snakes and guys with really big guns.

ANd going with illegal powers- Kite can hack gates and rewrite data. Haseo can get one-hit kills and one hit from Skeiths scythe knocks people out while his DD puts you in a coma. Kite might be able to see Skeith because of the TB. Still, that won't help him much if Haseo can just fly around and kill him while dodging DDs.

Fairypenguin wrote:Haseo. His weapons all get different patterns for attacking and he gets to charge his attacks. He also gets to attack WAY faster, even the broadsword goes faster. He gets to memorize all of his moves, when Kite only gets a few at a time.

Kite can be just as fast as Haseo, and his moves provide significant combos. Furthermore the magic system of R:1 allows Kite to quite literally spam his spells at Haseo from long range which is Haseo's significant weakness.

Fairypenguin wrote:He took out Cubia permanetly without losing the epitaphs, but Kite had to destroy his illegal power. Kite was only able to put it to sleep for a while. Haseo was using the complete power of epitaphs just like Kite was using all the power the TB.

The power of the epitaphs is equivalent to Morganna, of course it stops Cubia because she was the fracking god of The World before. And Kite did not "put Cubia to sleep", he destroyed him permanently by getting rid of the one thing that keeps Cubia alive in the first place.

Fairypenguin wrote:Sora didn't fight Skeith. He got stuck on a stick that came out of the ground and DDed. Kite was able to resist because of Aura, and he had friends help him with every phase. Haseo was able to beat each one by himself, even ones powered up by AIDA. That, and Kite had an easier time fighting walls and leaves then Haseo did fighting snakes and guys with really big guns.

Except Haseo fought Avatars WITH HIS OWN AVATAR. He was fighting big guns with his big guns.(Oh dirty!) Furthermore he wouldn't have taken Cubia on without the help of others. Did Kite have an avatar? No he didn't, but he had the bracelet and his friends to help. Oh, and for future reference, it was the Bracelet that helped Kite and his friends resist DD, not Aura.

Again they can't be compared they are in two entirely different Worlds. You can't really compare them.

I agreed with fragment.beta

They cant be compared... especially when u compare adept rogue and twin blade, theyre DIFFERENT

oh, maybe someone has ask this question, but can i ask it again?
"what happen if Kite plays The World R:2?"