Crap.... Haseo is.... (and other spoilers)

[Vahn Staffear]

But I would like the fact that Haseo is Sora.

I like the idea, I just don't like the lack of explanation.

Yeah, I dont think their ages match up either.

[Annwyn]

He was nine in Sign. I always thought that IMOQ was a year or so after IMOQ...add that with seven for GU, and you get at least 16 - 17.

I'm just gonna sit back and let the games tell me whatever they want.

[Gemcrim]

But I would like the fact that Haseo is Sora.

I like the idea, I just don't like the lack of explanation.

Yeah, I dont think their ages match up either.

If this is indeed true which I have my doubts abouts: He was in fourth grade during Sign, making him either 9 or 10. So he would be 16 or 17 at the start of Roots, but this is assuming that it's been EXACTLY 7 year to the very millisecond from the end of Sign to the star of Roots, so it would have to be a few more months at least to make him 17 if he was 9.

Isn't Yata the same age as well? Wouldn't that be around the same case then?

[ciaxsjes]

I'm not sure but,
I would perfer it if Haseo was just a random person that is not at all related to any of the first series characters.
If it turns out Haseo is Sora, I too, would be greatly dissapointed...

Just my opinion ofcourse.

[Vahn Staffear]

But I would like the fact that Haseo is Sora.

I like the idea, I just don't like the lack of explanation.

Yeah, I dont think their ages match up either.

If this is indeed true which I have my doubts abouts: He was in fourth grade during Sign, making him either 9 or 10. So he would be 16 or 17 at the start of Roots, but this is assuming that it's been EXACTLY 7 year to the very millisecond from the end of Sign to the star of Roots, so it would have to be a few more months at least to make him 17 if he was 9.

Isn't Yata the same age as well? Wouldn't that be around the same case then?

Yeah I think Yata is 16 now.

[Seto Kaiba]

this makes no sense. here's my theory: in the 1st or 2nd episode of //Roots Haseo says that it's his 1st time playing The World (he doesnt say which revision) and that his friend turned him on to it. I'll buy the Sakubo info. as for Yata, i think he's Jun Bansyoya (the Terminal Disc narrator). think about it, Yata analyzed Ovan's left arm, Yata analyzer Ovan's left arm. they both know about the Morganna Incident and we know the Jun Bansyoya's sister plays Pi. sorry if this has already been said.

[Kuukai]

Its probably a retcon saying there was another coma victim although its a poorly implemented retcon at that. I guess they wanted to make a further Skeith and Haseo connection.

There's probably be something on the Terminal Disc if that were the case.

He can't be Sora, he would have rembered his coma, he would recognized Kite, he would have known Wiseman IRL.

That meme is even more fake than anything we're discussing here. Lots of people know Helba, "a friend of a friend" doesn't mean "I'm Wiseman's best friend irl lolz!" Also, the only reason we thought he couldn't be Sora was because he doesn't remember anything. If he has amnesia, he can easily be Sora + 7 years. You know, Sakaki also has complete amnesia now, it's not unprecedented...

Wait, so what are we suppose to follow on the Taihaku issue?

He was never Balmung. He *might* be Tsukasa's doctor, like I said some people summarizing this info are just adding things in... All I trust is what I've seen in those pictures, and I only trust it about 80%...

And it's not even indicated that coma victims would have lost memories during their comas.

Ginkan. Sakaki. ALL of the Doll Syndrome students. Kuhn's not recognizing Balmung or the .hackers seems to indicate that he suffered memory loss. You could argue that we don't know for sure he's Sieg, but you know he is...

It's definitely the AI Sora, not the actual Sora.

.hack//ZERO

Sora becomes a Vagrant AI manipulated by Skeith that is constantly trying to hunt down Aura.

http://dothack.wikia.com/wiki/Sora#.hack.2F.2FZERO

That refers to the Tsukasa-like his mind being trapped in an AI. It's the "real" Sora, but as a Vagrant AI.

[Annwyn]

He was never Balmung. He *might* be Tsukasa's doctor, like I said some people summarizing this info are just adding things in... All I trust is what I've seen in those pictures, and I only trust it about 80%...

YESSSSSSSSS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU!!!!

That refers to the Tsukasa-like his mind being trapped in an AI. It's the "real" Sora, but as a Vagrant AI.

Damn. I took it literally. I've been believing false info for months then.

[Kuukai]

Was Wiseman's age even given? I know it says so on the wiki, but the only sourced info I can find is just that he was in elementary school. As for Sora's age, it was either 9 or 10, so that makes it possible for him to be Haseo, especially including the period between SIGN and the games.

Sora can't be Haseo because Haseo didn't know what PKing was at the beginning of Roots. This information has to be either wrong, or a mistranslation.

Sakaki doesn't know what AIDA are at the end of G.U. So?

this makes no sense. here's my theory: in the 1st or 2nd episode of //Roots Haseo says that it's his 1st time playing The World (he doesnt say which revision) and that his friend turned him on to it. I'll buy the Sakubo info. as for Yata, i think he's Jun Bansyoya (the Terminal Disc narrator). think about it, Yata analyzed Ovan's left arm, Yata analyzer Ovan's left arm. they both know about the Morganna Incident and we know the Jun Bansyoya's sister plays Pi. sorry if this has already been said.

Actually, he saw an ad which reminded him of it...

And no, Yata is Wiseman. It's confirmed in the games.

That refers to the Tsukasa-like his mind being trapped in an AI. It's the "real" Sora, but as a Vagrant AI.

Damn. I took it literally. I've been believing false info for months then.

Well, if you think about it, "becoming" a Vagrant AI seems to be just what I said, though I think I'll clarify...

[Shinsou Wotan]

This is seeming more and more reliable, but I, like just about everyone both here and at the official CC2 BBS, don't believe that Haseo could be Sora. Even if this guidebook got its information straight from the creators, I'm going to say it's an error on the order of the timeline impossibility in ZERO.

My explanation: "was data drained by Skeith in The World" does not necessarily mean he's Sora, even though the name and gender rule out all other known victims. Remember, they keep saying things like "at least six" and "six confirmed"....

[Cooked Bile]

Recall Haseo's meeting with the Silver Knight R:2 in the last episode of ROOTS
Unlike Kite, Haseo is more likely to hold a memory of him if he was once Sora.
Haseo brushes off SK's offer.
Was there some familiarity in the meeting?
Perhaps Haseo wishes to cut off his past?

[Kuukai]

Though the main reason we ruled out any connection before is because he doesn't have any of the memories he should, which is nullified by the idea that he played R:1. There's the name connection, his "Terror of Death" side that acts suspiciously like Sora when he confronts it, his age, gender, and the fact that he was Data Drained by Skeith playing for him now, if this is true... The only thing really contradicting it anymore is his personality... And people can change after 7 years...

It's crazy that he wouldn't even know that this game put him into a coma, I agree, but if this info is true then we'll just have to accept that, regardless of who he is.

Recall Haseo's meeting with the Silver Knight R:2 in the last episode of ROOTS
Unlike Kite, Haseo is more likely to hold a memory of him if he was once Sora.
Haseo brushes off SK's offer.
Was there some familiarity in the meeting?
Perhaps Haseo wishes to cut off his past?

If he has amnesia, these memory arguments don't work anymore...

[Jimbob]

Unless coma victims lose their memory of the incident since i think the people in online jack who wake up don't remember being comatose. However Shino and Yowkow seem to know they were in a coma I think. Maybe it varies from person to person? I dunno I always though Matsu could be Sora, (Violent tendencies when he was younger, same VA in JP. and English) but I guess not.

[Rin [Of the Twilight Sky]]

Whoa, whoa, WHOA. If Haseo being Sora is true I'm going to either -
a. Jump off a cliff
b. Stab myself
c. Both.

So. Yeah. It better not be true! I don't wanna kill myself. D:

[Carnage]

Whoa, whoa, WHOA. If Haseo being Sora is true I'm going to either -
a. Jump off a cliff
b. Stab myself
c. Both.

So. Yeah. It better not be true! I don't wanna kill myself. D:

Oh calm down, I still don't see the big deal in all this. So what if Haseo is Sora, why the hell would it matter. Haseo is still Haseo.

[Rin [Of the Twilight Sky]]

Whoa, whoa, WHOA. If Haseo being Sora is true I'm going to either -
a. Jump off a cliff
b. Stab myself
c. Both.

So. Yeah. It better not be true! I don't wanna kill myself. D:

Oh calm down, I still don't see the big deal in all this. So what if Haseo is Sora, why the hell would it matter. Haseo is still Haseo.

I understand what you mean, it's just. Sora = creepy little kid in SIGN that picked up older women, and I DO NOT want to think of Haseo having been like that. EVER. D: Besides, if Sora was into BT before, then why the hell would he call Pi an old hag? O_o

[Shirosaki]

Why we aleady have to arrange the "suicidal festival" if the information is not even comfirmed? He may be Sora, or may not, simply Only time or Bandai Namco wil answer this question...

[Kouen]

Whoa, whoa, WHOA. If Haseo being Sora is true I'm going to either -
a. Jump off a cliff
b. Stab myself
c. Both.

So. Yeah. It better not be true! I don't wanna kill myself. D:

Oh calm down, I still don't see the big deal in all this. So what if Haseo is Sora, why the hell would it matter. Haseo is still Haseo.

I understand what you mean, it's just. Sora = creepy little kid in SIGN that picked up older women, and I DO NOT want to think of Haseo having been like that. EVER. D: Besides, if Sora was into BT before, then why the hell would he call Pi an old hag? O_o

Actually, that sounds like a very immature kid, people mature over time, especially if it's 7 years. I'm just more worried about having too much G.U. characters actually being old characters. In with the new, out with the old.

[AuraTwilight]

Sakaki doesn't know what AIDA are at the end of G.U. So?

Sora goes right back to PKing after he wakes up, even attempting to do so to Mistral in Unison. Regardless of whether or not he had amnesia, PKing wasn't one of the things affected, and something tells me he ended up cancelling his account for the original Za Warudo due to the whole Skeith incident.

Keep in mind the only precedents for coma victims losing memories is Ginkan, who only suffered short term memory loss that he almost immediately regained, and the victims of GU. Not all of them were effected with amnesia, and the ones that were were either PKed by the AIDA or AIDA-PC's themselves, and as seen in Ina's case,  AIDA seem to deteriorate personality and identity.

The that that the AIDA can cause coma's without Data Drain atleast IMPLIES the conditions and aftereffects of their comas are different fron that of Data Drain and the Phases, but that's conjecture. The first two paragraphs, however, cannot be dismissed as easily.

[Kuukai]

Unison could always have not been canon, there is some amount of weirdness with it (especially considering the email from BR in G.U.), though otherwise he could have been the AI Sora from the games, or the period of amnesia could have lapsed past Unison (there are cases like this, where your memories surrounding what happened are also affected), who knows?

Sora is also the only one who was pretty much forcibly infected by a phase on top of being data drained, and his very identity was erratic during that time. We really got nothing to go on here, since his case was unique. The only other "Epitaph User", though, lost her memories too.

Also, the fact that Ginkan is the only DD victim to suffer any sort of memory loss should tell you that people are affected by it differently, which actually opens up the possibility of it affecting Sora that way, rather than closing it.