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lukan · Post by **lukan** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:40 pm

haha! i knew it was something like that!
we got teh same prob AT, i know you're pain =)

>_>
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Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:53 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:I'm just playing around. I have a bit of a confidence problem in real life, so I compensate by being playfully egotistical online. If you take my egotism, arrogance, insults, and general attitude seriously, then you deserve to be eaten by wild Communist Christian Cockadoodles from Canada.

(see, like that.)

I find that a very big oxymoron. o_O

lukan · Post by **lukan** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:06 pm

im an ....oxymoron?

>_>
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Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:22 pm

lukan wrote:im an ....oxymoron?

>_>
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No, the italics in my editted version of AT's post.

lukan · Post by **lukan** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:47 pm

i feel i am

: D
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Whysper · Post by **Whysper** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:52 pm

One thing I am slightly confused about, how does Cubia fit into all these theories? Wasn't it said Cubia does not exist as a major plot device in the //GU series? I honestly don't think Cubia is going to be the end all be all reason for this to all happen.

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:56 pm

Whysper wrote:One thing I am slightly confused about, how does Cubia fit into all these theories? Wasn't it said Cubia does not exist as a major plot device in the //GU series?

Cubia is the anti-existence. As long as there is a great power that is not part of the system, Cubia would be there to be the negative/positive side of that power.

death angel · Post by **death angel** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:08 pm

what role do you think cubia has?

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:16 pm

death angel wrote:what role do you think cubia has?

I think Cubia is the anti-existance of avatars; what Jun said that he was fearing with the introduction of Avatars to The World. And Cubia is the main source of all AIDA
And as an anti-existance, he'll do the opposite to its existance. And since it looks like all Epitaph Users just want to fix the world and revivie the Lost Ones, Cubia will do the opposite.

Whysper · Post by **Whysper** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:17 pm

Kouen wrote:Cubia is the anti-existence. As long as there is a great power that is not part of the system, Cubia would be there to be the negative/positive side of that power.

True, but that was during the infection series. I honestly believe Cubia is just the final product of the TSN system. Theres no basis for this other than the fact the current TSN doesn't seem to be doing that great of a job. Probably wrong, but thats my own idea of the situation. Cubia itself will more than likely just be generic boss fights that are used to advance on character development rather than the plot it self. Unless it's otherwise been stated (one hundred percent and not just an accepted fact), I do not believe it's the cause of AIDA.

Even in the signature series (Infection and on) it was never really used until the very end as a major plot, but to broaden the characters influence and changes the aspects of judgment within in the story. I have a feeling it will be doing the same again as a fill in aspect and a shout out to the first game rather than providing any pivotal role in the plot.

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:01 pm

uhhh...Cubia is the anti-exsistenst to the they Avatars...thats why there is AIDA....cubia isnt that merciful...the avatars are a power that isnt supose to be there...so there is cubia to oppose it....If Cubia was part fo the TSN...then why is the TSN joining with Haseo?

Whysper · Post by **Whysper** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:25 pm

haseoxth wrote:uhhh...Cubia is the anti-exsistenst to the they Avatars...thats why there is AIDA....cubia isnt that merciful...the avatars are a power that isnt supose to be there...so there is cubia to oppose it....If Cubia was part fo the TSN...then why is the TSN joining with Haseo?

First, show me where it is officially said that Cubia is the one creating the AIDA or is a creation of AIDA. Or that Cubia is the anti-exsistance to Avatars. I may have missed that, I will not however, accept someone who is also only theorizing. In this situation mine is just as valid.

As for TSN joining Haseo, I thought about that. Cubia is the fail safe. If TSN fails or goes into any form of vagrancy (note I am not referring to the terminology if "Vagrant AI" but using the vagrant itself) Cubia activates in order to continue with repairs with the sub-script to reinstate the TSN with the original base programing. Not deleting TSN, but rebooting them so they follow the original programming.

Cubia is the anti-exsistance to freethinking (not Vagrant AI) AI. The Avatar program was incorporated into 'The World' so I believe it is part of the system itself and is considered as such by the TSN/Cubia script. Otherwise Cubia would have appeared much earlier on, more than likely with the birth of Magus, whom is the first Avatar to become activated. AIDA may also accepted by the server limitations due to it's origins. Doesn't mean it is a good thing, just accepted.

There is no mention of Cubia until volume three, which is right after TSN starts to show more sentient activities outside of their basic scripting.

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:32 pm

Kuhn...the first avatar to activate....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...WHERED THE HELL YOU GET THAT FROM?!?!!?Ovan is the first to activate dumbass....and Cubia is the shadow of the avatars because he didnt show up till Yata awakened...he is the reason ovans AIDA cannot be Data drain...HES TOO POWERFUL!!!!!!and the avatars arent incorperated into the system...and what the hell is a freethinking AI....uhhh..A VARGANT AI!!!DEE DEE DEE....and what is AINA???...A VAGRANT(freethinking)AI!!!!dude...please get more info before theorizing yourself...

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:34 pm

True, but that was during the infection series. I honestly believe Cubia is just the final product of the TSN system. Theres no basis for this other than the fact the current TSN doesn't seem to be doing that great of a job. Probably wrong, but thats my own idea of the situation.

The TSN is just another program. They could have the looks of Wiseman, NOVA and Crim, and they would be the same thing.
'Cubia' is the .hack term for an anti-existence, an an anti-existence occurs when something huge is placed forcefully into the system, in order to balance it the anti-existence appears

Cubia itself will more than likely just be generic boss fights that are used to advance on character development rather than the plot it self. Unless it's otherwise been stated (one hundred percent and not just an accepted fact), I do not believe it's the cause of AIDA.

We won't have a fact on it until someone plays and finishes Vol. 3. But most theories speak of Cubia being the anti-existence of Avatars, and the mother of AIDA. Its not the 'cause' of AIDA, those are the Avatars (Cubia is an AIDA itself), but its the one which causes them to appear.

Even in the signature series (Infection and on) it was never really used until the very end as a major plot, but to broaden the characters influence and changes the aspects of judgment within in the story. I have a feeling it will be doing the same again as a fill in aspect and a shout out to the first game rather than providing any pivotal role in the plot.

Cubia in GU will be something 'unexpected'

First, show me where it is officially said that Cubia is the one creating the AIDA or is a creation of AIDA. Or that Cubia is the anti-exsistance to Avatars. I may have missed that, I will not however, accept someone who is also only theorizing. In this situation mine is just as valid.

You are in the same way with your theory. There is nothing official.

The Avatar program was incorporated into 'The World' so I believe it is part of the system itself and is considered as such by the TSN/Cubia script.

'Avatars' are not supposed to exist. Its not incorporated in The World that players should carry Epitaph data

Otherwise Cubia would have appeared much earlier on, more than likely with the birth of Magus, whom is the first Avatar to become activated. AIDA may also accepted by the server limitations due to it's origins. Doesn't mean it is a good thing, just accepted.

IMOQ Cubia didnt appear when the bracelet was created, either

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I felt so 'AuraTwilight' with this post. And i'm not sure myself if what i said is correct ._. xD

MeultimaSama · Post by **MeultimaSama** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:37 pm

Whysper wrote:
haseoxth wrote:uhhh...Cubia is the anti-exsistenst to the they Avatars...thats why there is AIDA....cubia isnt that merciful...the avatars are a power that isnt supose to be there...so there is cubia to oppose it....If Cubia was part fo the TSN...then why is the TSN joining with Haseo?
First, show me where it is officially said that Cubia is the one creating the AIDA or is a creation of AIDA. Or that Cubia is the anti-exsistance to Avatars. I may have missed that, I will not however, accept someone who is also only theorizing. In this situation mine is just as valid.

As for TSN joining Haseo, I thought about that. Cubia is the fail safe. If TSN fails or goes into any form of vagrancy (note I am not referring to the terminology if "Vagrant AI" but using the vagrant itself) Cubia activates in order to continue with repairs with the sub-script to reinstate the TSN with the original base programing. Not deleting TSN, but rebooting them so they follow the original programming.

Cubia is the anti-exsistance to freethinking (not Vagrant AI) AI. The Avatar program was incorporated into 'The World' so I believe it is part of the system itself and is considered as such by the TSN/Cubia script. Otherwise Cubia would have appeared much earlier on, more than likely with the birth of Magus, whom is the first Avatar to become activated. AIDA may also accepted by the server limitations due to it's origins. Doesn't mean it is a good thing, just accepted.

There is no mention of Cubia until volume three, which is right after TSN starts to show more sentient activities outside of their basic scripting.

...You speak as though Cubia is able to be captured, broken, and tamed. Cubia, unlike the Phases, is simply -there-. It exists simply to mirror the existence of something else, thus the term anti-existence. It's something that simply cannot be contained as simply as most data.

Before(Edit) the RI/GU project was in motion, there was nothing for Cubia to anti-exist, at least, until stated otherwise. Cubia simply cannot be contained. It's about as close to a 'concept' that 'exists' as far as .hack terminology terms allow. Even if it were contained, if it were reprogrammed to do something else, it wouldn't be Cubia anymore. And thus, Cubia would simply reappear within the system to anti-exist again.

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:40 pm

actually...cubia didnt appear till skeith was data drained....the avatars arent suppose to exsist either...and they were suppose to only be needed once...when they actvated the RA plan....so yea...

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:42 pm

...You speak as though Cubia is able to be captured, broken, and tamed. Cubia, unlike the Phases, is simply -there-. It exists simply to mirror the existence of something else, thus the term anti-existence. It's something that simply cannot be contained as simply as most data.

If the theory that Ovan's arm contains Cubia, then it means he can be contained.
Its just that, being the anti-existance of all Avatars, it has the same strenght as them all, and holding him would be like holding all the avatars, making it impossible after a certain amount of strenght (avatars being awakened) is met.

Even if it were contained, if it were reprogrammed to do something else, it wouldn't be Cubia anymore. And thus, Cubia would simply reappear within the system to anti-exist again.

Cubia will always do the opposite to what it created him. If you want to reprogram him, you have to reprogram what created him first.
And, Cubia will exist as long as there's any existence of a high level that is out of normal system parameters

MeultimaSama · Post by **MeultimaSama** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:43 pm

haseoxth wrote:actually...cubia didnt appear till skeith was data drained....the avatars arent suppose to exsist either...and they were suppose to only be needed once...when they actvated the RA plan....so yea...

I can only imagine the folks behind RA plan trying to explain the messup to their superiors.

"The project failed because our team leader was a fruitcake."

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:44 pm

TheSorrow wrote:
...You speak as though Cubia is able to be captured, broken, and tamed. Cubia, unlike the Phases, is simply -there-. It exists simply to mirror the existence of something else, thus the term anti-existence. It's something that simply cannot be contained as simply as most data.
If the theory that Ovan's arm contains Cubia, then it means he can be contained.
Its just that, being the anti-existance of all Avatars, it has the same strenght as them all, and holding him would be like holding all the avatars, making it impossible after a certain amount of strenght (avatars being awakened) is met.

Even if it were contained, if it were reprogrammed to do something else, it wouldn't be Cubia anymore. And thus, Cubia would simply reappear within the system to anti-exist again.
Cubia will always do the opposite to what it created him. If you want to reprogram him, you have to reprogram what created him first.
And, Cubia will exist as long as there's any existence of a high level that is out of normal system parameters

cubia can be contained to an extent...in retrospcet...ovan cannot controll his AIDA even with the container...as with evidence of the thing with SHINO....cubia is gonna be there no matter what....if there is somethign strong enough that shouldnt be there,he will be there....in this case,its the avatars and he needed AIDA as some back up...

MeultimaSama · Post by **MeultimaSama** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:47 pm

TheSorrow wrote:
...You speak as though Cubia is able to be captured, broken, and tamed. Cubia, unlike the Phases, is simply -there-. It exists simply to mirror the existence of something else, thus the term anti-existence. It's something that simply cannot be contained as simply as most data.
If the theory that Ovan's arm contains Cubia, then it means he can be contained.
Its just that, being the anti-existance of all Avatars, it has the same strenght as them all, and holding him would be like holding all the avatars, making it impossible after a certain amount of strenght (avatars being awakened) is met.

I see it as simply an inoculation stage, comparable to say, Skeith's data giving birth to Cubia. Trying to contain a full-fledged Cubia would be like trying to grab a fistful of helium. Plus, I doubt the container is really doing a good job of containing him. I'm sure it's just tolerating the thing while waiting for an opportune moment for its big insurrection.