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EtherealDeath wrote:

If I remember straight I don't think you can change anything he has equipped other than his accessories.

Empty Eye of Sin is grayed out like Empty Skies/Mirage/Shadow and Empty Demon Suit.

Not even the accessory is changeable.

And it's all because of the Azure Knights not being offical "players" of the game.

Kuukai wrote:

AuraTwilight wrote:The Lost Weapon's name could be hypothetical. It's my personal theory that his Lost Weapon never came into existence, since Corbenic was never Data Drained like the other Seven Phases when they faced off against Kite.

Just to clarify: The Lost Weapons were broken Epitaph fragments created during failure of the the R.A. Plan. The fact that Corbenik is an Avatar is proof that Corbenik has a Lost Weapon. And the name is a mistranslation of "Twilight", probably not given very much care because it's never actually displayed in a normal game.

ZelkovatheWise wrote:Really I've heard a different but then maybe those are all rumors like most things. Has someone actually tried it with each of the different type of cheating devices. Theirs not just Action Replay and CodeBreaker for the ps2. There are plenty more cheating devices for the system as well.

They all do the same thing. I'm 99% sure they're functionally equivalent, especially in this case. I believe you can actually "translate" the codes back and forth between devices...

where were you when AT and ZED were in the heated discussion battle involving Aura, Corbenik, and the Rebirth and Skeith? XDDDD

Just to clarify: The Lost Weapons were broken Epitaph fragments created during failure of the the R.A. Plan. The fact that Corbenik is an Avatar is proof that Corbenik has a Lost Weapon.

Are we absolutely sure about that? As far as I recall, it was never set in stone. It's equally likely that the Lost Weapons are fragments that just weren't collected successfully, as minorly implied by the ripping apart of Mia and such.

Yes. It was stated either in-game or in an article before the game came out. It's further confirmed by the Perfect Guidebook.

okay then

i guess that there really is a Corbenik lost Weapon, now we just gotta know what and where it is and why Ovan doesn't use it :/

Kuukai wrote:Yes. It was stated either in-game or in an article before the game came out. It's further confirmed by the Perfect Guidebook.

Wait, now I remember. Dammit, you're right.

Ah well. The rest of my points remain valid.

Ovan most likely cannot use his Lost Weapon due to AIDA's influence. AT would you agree with this?

ZelkovatheWise wrote:Ovan most likely cannot use his Lost Weapon due to AIDA's influence. AT would you agree with this?

I know the question was launched to AT, but in my opinion, not necessarily. If Ovan could summon Corebenik without problem, then using his lost weapon would have the same result, since it's been confirmed that Corebenik has a lost weapon. So the weapon itself is just Corbenik's power in weapon form.

Ah but there is a problem with what you just said. Corbenik cannot be activated unless he releases his AIDA arm and that shows itself with Corbenik looking different than intended due to AIDA. So then AIDA has something to do with Corbenik then something could be similar to his weapon.

ZelkovatheWise wrote:Ah but there is a problem with what you just said. Corbenik cannot be activated unless he releases his AIDA arm and that shows itself with Corbenik looking different than intended due to AIDA. So then AIDA has something to do with Corbenik then something could be similar to his weapon.

True. Very True, but even when Ovan releases AIDA, he's able to use his regular weapon without any problem, and, as we've seen in the games, a lost weapon can be switched out or used like a regular weapon at the whim of the user, so Ovan could just use his lost weapon by just changing his already equipped weapon. Not instantly since he's not an Adept Rouge.

But a Lost Weapon isn't a regular weapon is it nor was it originally programed into the game like the other weapons. Its data is different already than a ordinary weapon.

Right, the Lost Weapon taps into the power of the Avatar, so one theory I presented yesterday is that this would weaken the seal. Doesn't anyone read what I post?

Kuukai wrote:Another explanation lies in the observation that summoning Corbenik always "releases" Tri-Edge. It's possible that since Corbenik is the only force holding back Tri-Edge, using it in any other way is a bad idea.

Honestly, though, there's no "most likely" explanation. There's a number of equally plausible ones...

Ovan most likely cannot use his Lost Weapon due to AIDA's influence. AT would you agree with this?

Not really. He could use it, he might not be able to due to AIDA. Both are equally possible because we don't have any data to work with. I personally think it's a combination of both his not needing to use it and his not wanting to tap the Epitaph's power since it's probably using all it's resources to seal the AIDA.

True. Very True, but even when Ovan releases AIDA, he's able to use his regular weapon without any problem, and, as we've seen in the games, a lost weapon can be switched out or used like a regular weapon at the whim of the user, so Ovan could just use his lost weapon by just changing his already equipped weapon. Not instantly since he's not an Adept Rouge.

Bad analogy, since the Lost Weapons are manifestations of the Epitaph and have special powers. You also can't use the "he can use Corbenik" excuse since he has to take down the seal in order to do that.

Well, I'll rephrase. I meant the ability as a gamer to change equipment. With Epitaph users, they can switch between which weapons they can use like normal players, but it's a different case because an ordinary player does not have a lost weapon. In Ovan's case, I believed he could change his primary weapon with his lost weapon. Although, the comment I said about Ovan using Corebenik without problem though was a bit misleading. He has to unleash the seal to awaken him.

I agree with you AT most likely that he does not use it due to all of Corbeniks power is being used to just hold the seal on AIDA in place. But we truly don't have the data needed to come to a final conclusion.

Personally (and I Know I am Captain Insane Theory here but) I always though Ovan got his lost weapon to hide his identity as an epitaph user. I mean all the lost weapons look like the characters who have an avatar, so Ovan got it so no one would see it floating in there and go "it looks like Ovan... wait a sec..." and he never used it because he would be too powerful and his goal wasn't to KILL Haseo, it was to have Haseo kill him so why not give him a handicap"?

...Now...tell me that I am wrong and make me feel dumb again AT ^_^;

... the Lost Weapons look like their owners? The only Lost Weapon that could be said to look like the actual Avatar is Atoli's, but otherwise I'd say no.
The only thing that would have been revealed by Ovan not obtaining his Lost Weapon, or rather Corbenik's Lost Weapon being left in Carleon Medb, would be that the Epitaph User is a Steam Gunner. That's it.

Anime Monkey wrote:... the Lost Weapons look like their owners? The only Lost Weapon that could be said to look like the actual Avatar is Atoli's, but otherwise I'd say no.
The only thing that would have been revealed by Ovan not obtaining his Lost Weapon, or rather Corbenik's Lost Weapon being left in Carleon Medb, would be that the Epitaph User is a Steam Gunner. That's it.

Haseo's scythe looks like final skeith, atolis looks like innis, Kuhns gun has the "buds" of magus, Yatas fans look like Fidhell's mask, Sakubos book HAS Gorres FACE on it for Christ sake, Pis gauntlets look like the shield mode of Tarvos, and Endurancese sword HAS mia on the end of it! how do they NOT look like it?

(yes I know I am a nut when it comes to the lost weapons but I love weapons so XD)

Also theres the fact that the Infinity eight look like their lost weapons. Haseo's Xth form looks like his lost weapons final form. Atoli is the same color as her lost weapon, Kuhn looks plant like what with the grass skirt and all, Yata has color as well, Sakubo has a different weapon for each so its obvious, Endurance looks like his weapon, so dose Pi, so Ovans would be a dead give away to every one (in other words Haseo since we all knew he was XD Ah Haseo, AKA Captain oblivious.)

Well, Avatars by themselves look like their PCs, or at least resemble them in a way (in color or something), and Lost Weapons have something in common with the Avatars, so that's the only reason why they might look like that.
However, i think all other characters would find out that Ovan is the Epitaph PC of Corbenik for alot more ways than by seeing their Lost Weapon in the temple. At most, Haseo would say something like "Hm...This weapon reminds me of someone. I wonder who that is..."

Haseo's scythe looks like final skeith, atolis looks like innis, Kuhns gun has the "buds" of magus, Yatas fans look like Fidhell's mask, Sakubos book HAS Gorres FACE on it for Christ sake, Pis gauntlets look like the shield mode of Tarvos, and Endurancese sword HAS mia on the end of it! how do they NOT look like it?

Sadly accurate.

To my knowledge, we will never see Ovan's lost weapon since G.U. in Comglomerate is now offically over. There would be no point unless they make a terminal disk following the story of G.U. in a .hack// game based in R:X