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2) AT has been proven wrong before; it's not that he's a diety created for the sole porpouse of informing us about the truths of .hack.

True, but only on things that haven't been released and/or haven't played/seen/read yet. How could anyone expect all my theories about Volume 3 to be right the day it's released?

They don't actually say much about the origin of the AIDAs, except the original vol. 2 trailer when Ovan said "In front of every epitaph, a small truth, a small AIDA appears" which suggests that the AIDA are the anti-avatars.
The deal with Cubia returning is that Aura was in The World the entire time, but since she disconnected herself from the system a Cubia was created to counter her, and close to the end the epitaph users try to summon Aura using Haseo (because he ate/data drained all the other avatars). My theory is that since the avatars are linked to Aura they gave Aura an advantage over Cubia, and so Cubia made the AIDAs to balance out the playing field.

The first part of the second paragraph is almost entirely wrong. Cubia is the Key of the Variant, which has been opposing the Key of the Twilight since Infection and possibly before then in non-Cubia forms, but that's going off on an unsupported tangent. Both Aura and the Bracelet are the Key of the Twilight, so the logic is sound. In addition, the Infinity Eight don't try to actually attempt to summon Aura. You're probably thinking of the scene where Kuhn, Endrance, and Atoli give their Epitaphs to Haseo, which was done to help him summon Skeith, since he was damaged due to an AIDA.

And the Avatars aren't linked to Aura. Atleast not in the way you're probably thinking.

Anyways, I think I'll dismiss ep. 6 as a continuity error (because //roots was made by a different team than //GU) until proven innocent.

1. Just because it's a different team doesn't mean they weren't talking to each other about themes, plotline, and stuff like that. In Japan both works had the same voice actors for the same characters, which means something in of itself.

2. It's not a continuity error. It can easily be explained. There's a Sign. Signs are made by Ovan. Since it's a Sign, it means the wierd bug glitch thing is an AIDA. Haseo cleanses it because he's an Epitaph User. The meteor shower thing is probably a coincidence. .hack is FULL of them.

The first part of the second paragraph is almost entirely wrong. Cubia is the Key of the Variant, which has been opposing the Key of the Twilight since Infection and possibly before then in non-Cubia forms, but that's going off on an unsupported tangent. Both Aura and the Bracelet are the Key of the Twilight, so the logic is sound.

Sorry for not being clear, but thats basically what I was trying to say. Although I don't think Aura became recognized as The key of the Twilight until after she left because if she was always a KoT then Cubia in IMOQ wouldn't of died when just the bracelet was destroyed.
I was trying to explain that when Aura severed her ties to The World she became a foreign entity capable of over throwing the system (The definition fo The Key of They Twilight) and so when she hid herself in the Corbenik EU thats when the //GU Cubia was born.

In addition, the Infinity Eight don't try to actually attempt to summon Aura. You're probably thinking of the scene where Kuhn, Endrance, and Atoli give their Epitaphs to Haseo, which was done to help him summon Skeith, since he was damaged due to an AIDA.

I might be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure that right before the battle with Cubia they atleast say that since Haseo has collected the genome data from the other 7 phases, he's capable of doing the entire R.A. plan on his own.

1. Just because it's a different team doesn't mean they weren't talking to each other about themes, plotline, and stuff like that. In Japan both works had the same voice actors for the same characters, which means something in of itself.

I didn't say they were "ROFL liek fail, OGMWTH HAHAHA" but sometimes things get lost through interpretation. ex: In rebirth Haseo remembers the scene where Shino is telling him about Aura, but shes wearing black; in //roots Shino still had her white outfit.

It can easily be explained. There's a Sign. Signs are made by Ovan.

I never questioned that.

The meteor shower thing is probably a coincidence. .hack is FULL of them.

I never had a problem with that coicidence.

For the record:

1) I do believe that it was meant to be an AIDA infection
2) I do think that Haseo destoryed the AIDA in a similar way to the one he used to destroyed the one infecting him in vol. 3.

My main problem is that everything the AIDA did was everything the AIDA don't do. The AIDAs would never destroy a character rather than infect it, nor would they destroy any part of The World since it's their breeding ground. I just think it's one of the things in //roots thats out of sync with the rest of .hack//coglomerate.

Can soemone spoil on thing for me...do the azure knights talk or just say . . .

Sorry for not being clear, but thats basically what I was trying to say. Although I don't think Aura became recognized as The key of the Twilight until after she left because if she was always a KoT then Cubia in IMOQ wouldn't of died when just the bracelet was destroyed.
I was trying to explain that when Aura severed her ties to The World she became a foreign entity capable of over throwing the system (The definition fo The Key of They Twilight) and so when she hid herself in the Corbenik EU thats when the //GU Cubia was born.

It's not that, it's just that the Key of the Variant was put in Za Warudo to keep the Key of the Twilight from merging with a PC, like the Bracelet's attachment to Kite and Aura's hiding in Ovan. So GU Cubia was the Anti-Existence of Ovan, specifically. Which was why Ovan had to sacrifice himself in order to destroy Cubia. It wasn't so much Aura being foreign, but the fact that Aura was within Ovan. Like I've been saying for years now, the Power of the Black Box falling in the hands of a human being. A forbidden power.

I might be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure that right before the battle with Cubia they atleast say that since Haseo has collected the genome data from the other 7 phases, he's capable of doing the entire R.A. plan on his own.

Quotes please.

I didn't say they were "ROFL liek fail, OGMWTH HAHAHA" but sometimes things get lost through interpretation. ex: In rebirth Haseo remembers the scene where Shino is telling him about Aura, but shes wearing black; in //roots Shino still had her white outfit.

Actually, that inconsistency was completely intentional on the part of the GU/Roots teams. She's black in Haseo's memories because of his mourning for her.

I do think that Haseo destoryed the AIDA in a similar way to the one he used to destroyed the one infecting him in vol. 3.

It's not the same. The AIDA in episode 6 of Roots was destroyed with the power of the Epitaph, but the one that infected him was forced out by the power of his own will, with no involvement of his Epitaph.

My main problem is that everything the AIDA did was everything the AIDA don't do. The AIDAs would never destroy a character rather than infect it, nor would they destroy any part of The World since it's their breeding ground. I just think it's one of the things in //roots thats out of sync with the rest of .hack//coglomerate.

Yea, so? Maybe that AIDA wasn't evolved enough to infect? Or maybe it was testing other methods of getting what the AIDA want, just like Helen did when it stole Atoli's Epitaph.

Can soemone spoil on thing for me...do the azure knights talk or just say . . .

They don't talk. They haven't for Cell, Roots, and the first two Volumes. Why start now?

Wouldn't you think players who didn't watch roots would get confused if in some of Haseo's memories Shino was wearing white, and in the others she was wearing black? I would. But then again, I get confused easily. Hee.

It all seems kind of anticlimactic in the end. There are way to many loose ends. In the end what was the purpose of GU? To defeat Cubia and release Aura?

We've known the purpose of GU since the Terminal Disc was released. It was to bring back Aura, whether by forcing her back or by creating a new Ultimate AI to control the network.

It seems kind of ironic that they already had what they where looking for.

You interpreted my question in an entirely different manner than I meant for you to.

How are the roles of the Epitaph Users specifically related to the ending? I mean to ask what did the Epitaph Users do since they could not create a god. It seems to me they fought, were infected with AIDA, ran around for a while, defeated Cubia or something and then Ovan did that thing.

Also, how is this related to Legend of The Twilight Bracelet and Unison as both are canon, I believe. if Aura is attached to Corbenik, are there two Auras or is the appearance of Aura simply Aura appearing as an extention of Corbenik.

How are the roles of the Epitaph Users specifically related to the ending? I mean to ask what did the Epitaph Users do since they could not create a god. It seems to me they fought, were infected with AIDA, ran around for a while, defeated Cubia or something and then Ovan did that thing.

To my eyes, it looks like the EU's job was to defeat AIDA and prevent the chaos that AIDA would bring to both worlds (Doll Syndrome victims, that Meltdown thing, the 3rd Network Crisis...), until Ovan realized that was he was looking for was inside him all the time. Then it's starting to look like if Cubia and AIDA are unrelated...

Also, how is this related to Legend of The Twilight Bracelet and Unison as both are canon, I believe. if Aura is attached to Corbenik, are there two Auras or is the appearance of Aura simply Aura appearing as an extention of Corbenik.

Aura went to hide some time after LotTB. At the time of it, Aura was still in The World and the R.A. plan was not even a thought.

TheSorrow wrote:

How are the roles of the Epitaph Users specifically related to the ending? I mean to ask what did the Epitaph Users do since they could not create a god. It seems to me they fought, were infected with AIDA, ran around for a while, defeated Cubia or something and then Ovan did that thing.

To my eyes, it looks like the EU's job was to defeat AIDA and prevent the chaos that AIDA would bring to both worlds (Doll Syndrome victims, that Meltdown thing, the 3rd Network Crisis...), until Ovan realized that was he was looking for was inside him all the time. Then it's starting to look like if Cubia and AIDA are unrelated...

Also, how is this related to Legend of The Twilight Bracelet and Unison as both are canon, I believe. if Aura is attached to Corbenik, are there two Auras or is the appearance of Aura simply Aura appearing as an extention of Corbenik.

Aura went to hide some time after LotTB. At the time of it, Aura was still in The World and the R.A. plan was not even a thought.

I'd say she took a nap and was accidentially swept together with Corbenik's remains

what i want to know is why did she go into hiding in the first place.

What the...??? wrote:what i want to know is why did she go into hiding in the first place.

Well... I don´t know but I think it´s because of Cubia... Cubia is the anti-existence of Aura and anything she had created(the bracelet for example), but somehow it managed to return, so Aura had to hide somewhere to escape from it,   and she was hiding in Corbenik´s arm as far as I understood

It seems kind of ironic that they already had what they where looking for.

You interpreted my question in an entirely different manner than I meant for you to.

How are the roles of the Epitaph Users specifically related to the ending? I mean to ask what did the Epitaph Users do since they could not create a god. It seems to me they fought, were infected with AIDA, ran around for a while, defeated Cubia or something and then Ovan did that thing.

Also, how is this related to Legend of The Twilight Bracelet and Unison as both are canon, I believe. if Aura is attached to Corbenik, are there two Auras or is the appearance of Aura simply Aura appearing as an extention of Corbenik.

1. The Epitaph Users didn't really do anything except for Ovan having to sacrifice his PC.
2. Unison was just an epilogue to IMOQ and SIGN, and has no actual impact on GU. Legend of the Twilight Bracelet, Udeden for short, was a less serious story to take a deeper look at Aura's personality.
3. There was only one Aura. She just hid inside Ovan's right arm the same way Sora was trapped in Skeith's staff.

what i want to know is why did she go into hiding in the first place.

It was another one of her playtests, like creating Shugo and Rena's characters and giving birth to Zefie. Aura likes to screw with us.

Well... I don´t know but I think it´s because of Cubia... Cubia is the anti-existence of Aura and anything she had created(the bracelet for example), but somehow it managed to return, so Aura had to hide somewhere to escape from it, and she was hiding in Corbenik´s arm as far as I understood

No, Cubia is the Anti-Existence of the Key of the Twilight falling into the hands of a human being. Aura is fine when she's running around doing whatever, but if she or some of her power falls under control of a human (which Harald didn't want) then bad **** goes down.

Oh yeah for those that keep saying Yata/Wiseman must be smart, well does the fact that he  He's 17 and skipped enough grades to already be in University, even though he has huge pride, which was broken down alot, during Volume 3, and due to the pride breaking, his Avatar awokened recklessly, and since he's one of the largest shareholders of CC Corp, they sorta made him an administrator. Hint enough that he's really really smart?

On a side note, I'm not so sure myself if Taihaku was really infected with AIDA since  Despite Ken Maxwell, which had the ability to nullify skills, was infected with AIDA, Taihaku remained the exact same way as he's always been, though really in the battle Haseo, and Endrance did all the work >__> third party member was useless.

Kadaaju wrote:On a side note, I'm not so sure myself if Taihaku was really infected with AIDA since  Despite Ken Maxwell, which had the ability to nullify skills, was infected with AIDA, Taihaku remained the exact same way as he's always been, though really in the battle Haseo, and Endrance did all the work >__> third party member was useless.

I think it´s as AT said, the AIDAs don´t control minds, just feelings, by changing them like Tenrow/Sirius, in which his pride was turned into bloodlust because of the AIDA, with Taihaku it wasn´t necessery because he would fight Haseo anyway, also because of his pride.

I'm so confused about ovan. Just need a confirmation: so is only is pc body dead and not his real body(after he explodes)? Is he still alive in rl?

rujhoku wrote:I'm so confused about ovan. Just need a confirmation: so is only is pc body dead and not his real body(after he explodes)? Is he still alive in rl?

 Certanly YES, even Shino said they would try to find Ovan, his char. is dead, but not himself so there´s still chance they can find him.

rujhoku wrote:I'm so confused about ovan. Just need a confirmation: so is only is pc body dead and not his real body(after he explodes)? Is he still alive in rl?

I can't speak for game continuity, but in the G.U.+ manga, he's dead.

It seems that he's Tsukasa-ing around or something at the end, since Shino still can't contact him IRL and  Aura said something to the likes of Ovan's feeling/soul being embued in the World.

AuraTwilight wrote:It seems that he's Tsukasa-ing around or something at the end, since Shino still can't contact him IRL and  Aura said something to the likes of Ovan's feeling/soul being embued in the World.

So, basicly, he's like the new Harald now??
And if he can't even log out by himself, it can surely lead to another .Hack series...

TheSorrow wrote:

AuraTwilight wrote:It seems that he's Tsukasa-ing around or something at the end, since Shino still can't contact him IRL and  Aura said something to the likes of Ovan's feeling/soul being embued in the World.

So, basicly, he's like the new Harald now??
And if he can't even log out by himself, it can surely lead to another .Hack series...

Didn't mean to interupt but are you guys saying Ovan can't log out?

Well, that's what AT made me think it was :/ Since he says Shino cannot contact him IRL