Azure Kites empty skies

lukan · Post by **lukan** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:14 pm

i heard a theory that's probably not true, but until i know the real truth i'll say it. some one told me that kite could have some sort of special program (being somewat part of CC Crop right?).
that program would allow him to inflict lethal-type damage to illegal programs.
and since the avatars are CC allowed programs and haseo being a normal player now, he couldn't activate his defense

>_>
Toszi

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:17 pm

Marioshinobi wrote:Eh still, he raped the background with his little swing of his weapons..

Hell he killed pai and Yata in my game and that technique of his is owie >>;

Yet I don't think any last boss would simply float there and take it, he seemed alot weaker..even compared to a lvl 133..not it's a lvl 50 group..he should be over 133+ levels. His health backs that up, yet the way he fought was definetly sluggish.

The battle with Ovan is the same way. It's how most of the final boss battles are designed. They have to be powerful, but they can't attack too much or else the player would die too quickly. The result is easier boss battles. Do you know how much harder it would be if they designed the final bosses to be programmed to fight like other PCs?

Marioshinobi · Post by **Marioshinobi** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:19 pm

Then what was the problem in the second fight?

He sorta just kinda floated, and made small booms with fire.

Even if he was a special program, that was pathetic AI use. Anybody could tell he was either having a hard time with something or he wasn't using his full power. Still, even with a avatar backing up haseo and etc, it wouldn't have stopped the level difference between both of them being normal chars ( if TE is a normal char per say, just has more admin powers and is a AI )

He was definetly weaker, much weaker.. o.o;

lukan · Post by **lukan** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:21 pm

did ya read mah gotten thery?

>_>
Toszi

mr.classybear · Post by **mr.classybear** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:25 pm

maybe he just came back from a fight or somthing.

Marioshinobi · Post by **Marioshinobi** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:28 pm

lukan wrote:did ya read mah gotten thery?

>_>
Toszi

That wouldn't make sense if his entire stragety was to make little balls of fire come from his body =.=;

And that's just crappy AI work from CC corp also, he was far too weak.

Consider the facts even if the game is being unfair at this point.

Haseo lvl 133 was getting his attacks blocked by only one of his weapons Therefore we can assume that either:

1. He's a higher level
2.His weapons are a higher level
3.His Admin powers make him stronger ( even if 3 is true, then it wouldn't be any different after Haseo got his avatar or anybody else, haseo still abides by the games rules even with Skeith )

Though while in that area he had a definite turn of stragety, even if we can assume that there were 3 lvl 50's on him, there wouldn't be any issue from the fact:

1.During the whole battle, you can barely cause TE to fall back..he takes the hits like he is of a higher level and barely staggers ( therefore #1 is supported by this )
2.Something had happened to him, either the area was causing weakness or his battle stragety had suddenly taken a U turn ( Acting like that was pathetic, for any boss..either the programmers for the game thought he was too hard or maybe its because there's something wrong with him, in which the area belonging to AIDA could affect him )

So, unless you guys make some logic..with proof..like I just did then go ahead and burn me down X_X

mr.classybear · Post by **mr.classybear** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:33 pm

oh i have an ideas!!! Maybe he wasent paying attention to Haseo, but consentrating on the AIDA lockers! YES I DID IT! WOO HOO

lukan · Post by **lukan** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:36 pm

oh oh !! i know!
game mechs!!! ya see them allllll the time
(ff12:the judges are the ultimate monster people in teh game.....yet i can beat one at lv8.....?)
maybe in vol3 it's his true level and he was lv48 for REBIRTH just so we could beat him....like that Kuhn thing!

>_>
Toszi

Marioshinobi · Post by **Marioshinobi** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:48 pm

If that is true..

The game just lost all respect from me =.=

lvl 133 getting owned by a thing that isn't even half his level..that's just..retarded even for game mechs.

lukan · Post by **lukan** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:53 pm

hey! i was only one off! =)
and think it's true?(jhasn't gotten it yet...~desu)

>_>
Toszi

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:56 pm

He was weakened for gameplay purposes. If AFK was level 150, not only would he be impossible to beat in Volume 1. But it would also stall the story development to Volume 3.

awkward_confusion · Post by **awkward_confusion** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:56 pm

I simply assumed (and will most likely continue to) that Azure Kite's data was protected makeing it impossible for most PCs to harm him; it would be kinda dumb if your average Joe could defeat the program that was built to protect The World. Not even CC Corp. is dumb enough to let this happen:
Av3r/\ge_J03: *Sees Azure Kite data drain a random player* Hey you, what did you just do?!
Azure Kite: *moan*
Av3r/\ge_J03: *Does random technique on Azure Kite*
Azure Kite: *Instant death*
Av3r/\ge_J03: *1 exp* Wow, I'm glad thats not a program intended to protected The World from any future net-crisis, cause he sure does suck!

As for why Haseo, Kuhn and Pi were able to harm Azure Kite, I guess haveing an awaken epitaph allows you to bypass all kinda of data protections; the avatars were intended to be part of the new ultimate AI.

Kadaaju · Post by **Kadaaju** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:59 am

Ok here's at thought

Azure Kite is meant to get rid of all anomalies right?

Basically it might not have been able to fight Haseo and the others, because their data wasn't that AIDArific as it was when he was level 133. and since his target was mainly the AIDA, it might have been trying to over right the data in order to actually fight Haseo and the others. Though it was only for a short while.

Either that or basically

CC Corp tried toning down Azure Kite so it wouldn't put people into acoma after that close incident with Haseo, and the other guy that got knocked into acoma. Which was why Ovan pwned A.K so easily... I mean he's around level 90

MeultimaSama · Post by **MeultimaSama** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:27 am

Here's my theory.

The Azures are basically NPC programs that float around, and are given power as deemed necessary to deal with the current threat at hand. In which case it fluctuates and whatnot depending on the situation. Think of it as compared to some uber-powered being with seals on them, ala Alucard from Hellsing. The higher danger posed by the threat, the more restraints his master allows him to bypass. An internal scanning system probably analyzes any anomalies at hand before he is allowed to act.

During GU 1, Kite's internal directive sent him to the AIDA lockers. It appears that during the fight, and even before he starts, he appears to be trying to mostly scare Haseo and co. off, especially with the pure visceral display of power when he blasts the floor tiles off with one swing. In fact, during the battle itself, he hardly even uses his weapons, mostly resorting to pushing you away with his flames and what have you. This possibly would be because he deems Haseo as a person who shouldn't be there, but didn't classify him as a threat. Furthermore, his programming probably recognized Haseo as
[Player identified: Haseo.
Status: Random punk I DD'd last week.
Threat Level: Minimal.
Mode: Set to Non-Lethal.]

Thus, he simply wanted to 'persuade' Haseo to go away so he could go about with the locker business. The whole thing with the triangular slash marks? Just Haseo's delusions, since AFK couldn't make those marks anyway, though it is unknown if AFK really could make clones of himself to attack people. At the same time, seeing the damage AFK could deal, one could see that if he only decided to attack often, Haseo and co would be toast, level 50 or not. (Then again, I fought him at level 43, so his damage might be much higher due to level reasons)

At any rate, he then realizes that he underestimated Haseo, and goes into full-swing, Drain-Hearting the arena to enter Pseudo-Avatar mode. As I think levels don't really have much influence on an Avatar's strength (I'm certain Pi's little spiel on Avatar leveling was only for gameplay purposes), Haseo won probably due to his inherent Avatar skill (Having trounced experienced Avatar users no less).

Furthermore, as scans for Vol3 show, AFK's methods of attacks seem to have gotten an upgrade: A picture shows him doing multiple combos (That are either kicks or he's slashing in a really crazy manner) on Haseo for some considerable damage.

...On a side note, Kadaaju, do you have high-res scans of the Azure Knights somewhere? I've been searching the whole board, and all I got was Niu's stuff.

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:23 pm

Awesome theory MeUltimaSama:D I thought it had to deal with avatars and stuff, but your theory makes very good sense too. Then i can easily picture Gabi and Zelkova owning AK's ass just because AK wanted to kill a small AIDA from a Health Drink (poor AK...he tries to do good stuff and ends up owned)

And when it comes to Ovan, i think that its just because of his uberarm. Even if AK is set to "Mode: Maximum Anhiquilation", there's nothing much he can do if he fails to avoid a scratch and is unable to reach his own arm.

At the same time, seeing the damage AFK could deal, one could see that if he only decided to attack often, Haseo and co would be toast, level 50 or not. (Then again, I fought him at level 43, so his damage might be much higher due to level reasons)

At lvl36, his 3-sign attack damages you with a total of over 5000.

Furthermore, as scans for Vol3 show, AFK's methods of attacks seem to have gotten an upgrade: A picture shows him doing multiple combos (That are either kicks or he's slashing in a really crazy manner) on Haseo for some considerable damage.

We dont know the official cause of the fight yet. But indeed, all we know is that they'll fight Haseo with as much strenght as if it was Ovan and more, so it makes sense they'll do combos like that.
I wonder if they can do combination attacks of some sort.

FlameSage · Post by **FlameSage** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:00 pm

My Theory
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Because Azure Orca and Azure Balmung has clones, why could't Azure Kite? I think the boss fight that was in Vol 1, was one of Azure Kites clones (that was weaker).
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Is there any evidence to disprove this?

Shirosaki · Post by **Shirosaki** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:08 pm

Welll, well, no one knows what happened in Hulle Granz Cathedral after Haseo was DDed... maybe he fought Ovan and ran away before he would be defeated(I think I have seen this somewhere in this forum)

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:19 pm

Rick wrote:Welll, well, no one knows what happened in Hulle Granz Cathedral after Haseo was DDed... maybe he fought Ovan and ran away before he would be defeated(I think I have seen this somewhere in this forum)

Ovan logged off and sent a smexy e-mail to Haseo, then he logged back and walked like an idiot in Mac Anu

I dont know what AK did...maybe he returned to play Roshambo with Balmung and Orca

Shirosaki · Post by **Shirosaki** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:29 pm

TheSorrow wrote:
Rick wrote:Welll, well, no one knows what happened in Hulle Granz Cathedral after Haseo was DDed... maybe he fought Ovan and ran away before he would be defeated(I think I have seen this somewhere in this forum)
Ovan logged off and sent a smexy e-mail to Haseo, then he logged back and walked like an idiot in Mac Anu

I dont know what AK did...maybe he returned to play Roshambo with Balmung and Orca

Thanks, now I remember

I also remember that someone(from this forum) said that Cubia was "below" Morrigu Barrow, where do the three azures stay?

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:34 pm

Rick wrote:
TheSorrow wrote:
Rick wrote:Welll, well, no one knows what happened in Hulle Granz Cathedral after Haseo was DDed... maybe he fought Ovan and ran away before he would be defeated(I think I have seen this somewhere in this forum)
Ovan logged off and sent a smexy e-mail to Haseo, then he logged back and walked like an idiot in Mac Anu

I dont know what AK did...maybe he returned to play Roshambo with Balmung and Orca
Thanks, now I remember
I also remember that someone(from this forum) said that Cubia was "below" Morrigu Barrow, where do the three azures stay?

I said that D: The 4 eyed Cubia is seen below Morrigu Barrow in a scan

I think the azures turn into data when they arent active, and are just floating around the system.
And i thought of that 'theory' 6 seconds ago, so you can guess how accurate i am.