Aura and Eina (Spoilers)

Azure_Flame_Deity · Post by **Azure_Flame_Deity** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:28 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Anyone who wants Aura to return is a nazi communist bastard who'll probably be crucified by a bunch of Jews.

Whether you realize it or not, or even care, AuraTwilight, that is extremely offensive and sensitive to a number of religions and cultures. How rude of you. :/

As for my own opinion, I believe that Aura is not gone, more so, she is simply doing nothing, and watching, similar to how a mother will attempt to make her child take its first steps without helping it.

I also believe that Eina is simply a substitute, or spawn, of Aura meant to keep watch in her absence. AIDA could possibly be an "allergic reaction" to the introduction of avatars without Aura's protective barriers.

As for what part Ovan plays, it's possible that he was searching for the Key of Twilight so as to stop the growing force within his arm; he does contain Corbenik, after all, which was fused directly with Morganna (according to sources). Perhaps a segment of Morganna is still active and attempting to escape, and Ovan only wants to find Aura to prevent this?

Of course, my theory is almost completely baseless. :p

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:16 pm

I believe what he meant by the 'Key of the Twilight' was not of looking for Aura herself, but of making Eina an Ultimate AI like Aura ("It was a small seed. I needed to find out what was growing inside. That's why i raised it"....or something like that

)

But i think your part of the theory about Aura makes sense. I forgot what that AI said to Jun, but i remember it was something about Aura being nothing but a watcher (as how i interpreted it), so Aura could exist as Morganna did before (everywhere yet nowhere), except that she's doing nothing to either help or affect.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:18 pm

Whether you realize it or not, or even care, AuraTwilight, that is extremely offensive and sensitive to a number of religions and cultures. How rude of you. :/

Yea, I know. So what? I've made it clear several times that I really don't care about who I hurt. You're preaching to a deaf ear.

As for my own opinion, I believe that Aura is not gone, more so, she is simply doing nothing, and watching, similar to how a mother will attempt to make her child take its first steps without helping it.

That's kind've my thought. That she's sitting in some web page watching everything.

I also believe that Eina is simply a substitute, or spawn, of Aura meant to keep watch in her absence. AIDA could possibly be an "allergic reaction" to the introduction of avatars without Aura's protective barriers.

An Anti-Existence pretty much is an allergic reaction to that which shouldn't exist. Though I doubt Aura would leave some substitute or anything, or not only would Project GU be tempted to exploit her, but it would also negate the point of letting The World be independant. If Aura wants guardians to fall back on, the Azure Knights are doing fine.

As for what part Ovan plays, it's possible that he was searching for the Key of Twilight so as to stop the growing force within his arm; he does contain Corbenik, after all, which was fused directly with Morganna (according to sources). Perhaps a segment of Morganna is still active and attempting to escape, and Ovan only wants to find Aura to prevent this?

ALL the Phases are directly fused with Morganna. They ARE Morganna. They're basically parts of her body. And it's not Corbenic/Morganna that's the problem, but the AIDA infecting him.

im pretty sure thats sakubo...and on the subject of aura...maybe her disappearance is something that should remain a mystery to be speculated upon...

It's Sakubo. Same hat and everything.

Tri-Edge999 · Post by **Tri-Edge999** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:05 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:But if Aura is in the World, why would Harald be asking where she is?

Also, Tri-Edge999, your signature is WAY too large. Size it down or it'll be permanently removed.

sorry about the sig thing. i used that sig on another board (where that size was fine) and when i brought it over here, i noticed that, and usuly check off the box to remove my sig, but i guess i forgot that time

Kadaaju · Post by **Kadaaju** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:33 am

I won't be suprise if there happened to be an AIDA named Aura for some reason, just to add the final references towards the names, with AIDA. It'd probably be one of the final normal AIDA battles or something, unless there are some other names we're missing... possibly Grom? for the Annagrom thing?

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:03 am

I won't be suprise if there happened to be an AIDA named Aura for some reason, just to add the final references towards the names, with AIDA. It'd probably be one of the final normal AIDA battles or something, unless there are some other names we're missing... possibly Grom? for the Annagrom thing?

That would only confuse people, not create cool references. Neither Aura nor Grom fit in with the naming scheme of the AIDA. The "Anna" thing is only there because "Anna" is a name that goes along with Helen, Mia, Oswald, etc.

VKV · Post by **VKV** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:25 am

AuraTwilight wrote:Eina can clearly move around. She's spotted in Hulle Granz Cathedral.

It's possible that she can move around, but when she is shown in the trailer, sitting in the chair, she gives me the impression that she is somehow paralyzed or frozen in place.
But since the moment is not long it is hard to say.
Also, when we see her in Hulle Granz Cathedral it looks more like someone's memory (Ovan's?), with all the whitness and all.

She could have been able to move before but not anymore because of some insident that might have happened.

AuraTwilight wrote:Quote:
im pretty sure thats sakubo...and on the subject of aura...maybe her disappearance is something that should remain a mystery to be speculated upon...

It's Sakubo. Same hat and everything.

The glowing person seems more like Aina/Eina to me, because she seems to have a long hair and a ribbon, instead of a hat.
Hair goes down your back like that but not Sakubo's hat. It is more down and up, and rather easily spotted, I don't see her hat in this scene so I have a feeling this is most likely Aina/Eina.

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:33 pm

man....its sakubo...look closely.....no ribbon....hat...its actually saku cuz the sunny side is up....and if you still cant see*takes off glasses*use this..

lukan · Post by **lukan** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:36 pm

where is this in the scene?

>_>
Toszi(lol, me and haseoxth are almost competin on post count)

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:08 pm

The reason Eina doesn't get up and out of the chair is because she's READING. I thought that was obvious.

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:11 pm

lukan wrote:where is this in the scene?

>_>
Toszi(lol, me and haseoxth are almost competin on post count)

when they are in avatar space and there is a girl with a book...im tired of people saying that is Aina....ITS NOT GAWD DAMMIT!!!!!SAKUBO!!!!SAY IT WITH ME!!!! SA-Ku-BO!!!YOU WANT IT IN JAPANESE??!?!?!>.<

Fragments.beta · Post by **Fragments.beta** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:10 pm

This is the pic right? And yes im 100% sure that is Sakubo. Obvously she used her Avatar again.

Bulletcatcher · Post by **Bulletcatcher** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:12 pm

That explains this line from the trailer:

Saku: This was meant for only two people!
Bo: We've gone through this once before.

Or something like that.

I think all of the Epitaph User activate their Avatars again at some point in Vol. 3.

chosenofmana7 · Post by **chosenofmana7** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:49 pm

When they show Skeith 3 for the first time u can hear someone else's voice over Haseo, I think that the Epithath users are involved in Haseo & Skieth's transformations.

Btw has anyone ever wondered what would happen is Sakubo became lost ones. Say Sakubo was PKed by a AIDA-PC with Saku playing, could Bo still log on? Also its weird how their BOTH Gorre's chosen ones?

Bulletcatcher · Post by **Bulletcatcher** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:52 pm

chosenofmana7 wrote:When they show Skeith 3 for the first time u can hear someone else's voice over Haseo, I think that the Epithath users are involved in Haseo & Skieth's transformations.

Btw has anyone ever wondered what would happen is Sakubo became lost ones. Say Sakubo was PKed by a AIDA-PC with Saku playing, could Bo still log on? Also its weird how their BOTH Gorre's chosen ones?

Skeith evolves with Haseo's Forms.

Same PC. And coincidentally, they're both Chosen Ones.

lukan · Post by **lukan** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:59 pm

yup: sakubo

>_>
Toszi

Zero Kite · Post by **Zero Kite** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:24 pm

Bulletcatcher wrote:
chosenofmana7 wrote:When they show Skeith 3 for the first time u can hear someone else's voice over Haseo, I think that the Epithath users are involved in Haseo & Skieth's transformations.

Btw has anyone ever wondered what would happen is Sakubo became lost ones. Say Sakubo was PKed by a AIDA-PC with Saku playing, could Bo still log on? Also its weird how their BOTH Gorre's chosen ones?
Skeith evolves with Haseo's Forms.

Same PC. And coincidentally, they're both Chosen Ones.

I thnk Skeith is gaining something after each time he data drains the other Phases. Something is "Growing-up" I guess.

As for Aura, she doesn't go Morganna-like

Hey wait a minute, could there be a connection with Haseo and Aina? (like Tsukasa and Aura in Sign?)

Perhaps that's one of the reason why Ovan wants Haseo to become stronger....

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:33 pm

Epitaph PC's are immune to being comatosed by PK's or Atoli and Pi would be done for by now.

Hey wait a minute, could there be a connection with Haseo and Aina? (like Tsukasa and Aura in Sign?) Shocked Perhaps that's one of the reason why Ovan wants Haseo to become stronger....

That's totally baseless. Ovan wants Haseo to beat him to get rid of the damn AIDA.

Zero Kite · Post by **Zero Kite** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:45 pm

My bad then. Though I'm still wondering if there's any connection with Haseo and Aina. Also, I'm still wondering about that "Prophet"

Jimbob · Post by **Jimbob** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:47 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Epitaph PC's are immune to being comatosed by PK's or Atoli and Pi would be done for by now.

Is there proof of that? They've certainly implied that it was very possible for Haseo to fall into a coma at certain parts. I think Ovan just went easy on them.