God- Yes or No
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I believe there is a god, but I don't like religion very much... I really can't stand some of their "holier than thou" attitudes. Not that all religious people are bad, but I just don't think they should force their beliefs on others or say someone isn't "good" enough just because they believe something different.
Sorry for rambling.
Sorry for rambling.
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blackphoenix
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I do believe that something created life (anti big-bang theory), but if there was a God, why do we have so much suffering over religeons that are based quite similarly (Judaeism and Christianity in particular). Why do we have religeous wars? Why (if there is a God) is He such a jealous God, if He knows He is superior? I was born into a christian family, but the church itself seems to have too many questionable flaws that doesn't make it seem like it's based on a God, but money and power....Inquisition, Holy Roman Empire, Holy Crucades....all backed by none other than the church...
These are just my views/opinions...I'm not trying to make anyone not believe, I don't treat anyone different about what they believe, just my opinion
These are just my views/opinions...I'm not trying to make anyone not believe, I don't treat anyone different about what they believe, just my opinion
You have a good point. I mean... aren't most religions about "loving your neighbor"?blackphoenix wrote:I do believe that something created life (anti big-bang theory), but if there was a God, why do we have so much suffering over religeons that are based quite similarly (Judaeism and Christianity in particular). Why do we have religeous wars? Why (if there is a God) is He such a jealous God, if He knows He is superior? I was born into a christian family, but the church itself seems to have too many questionable flaws that doesn't make it seem like it's based on a God, but money and power....Inquisition, Holy Roman Empire, Holy Crucades....all backed by none other than the church...
These are just my views/opinions...I'm not trying to make anyone not believe, I don't treat anyone different about what they believe, just my opinion
Man started the war. And yes those churches are usually not for God but rather their own personal gain. Then again the bible only states to have meetings...it didnt say to go to church.blackphoenix wrote:I do believe that something created life (anti big-bang theory), but if there was a God, why do we have so much suffering over religeons that are based quite similarly (Judaeism and Christianity in particular). Why do we have religeous wars? Why (if there is a God) is He such a jealous God, if He knows He is superior? I was born into a christian family, but the church itself seems to have too many questionable flaws that doesn't make it seem like it's based on a God, but money and power....Inquisition, Holy Roman Empire, Holy Crucades....all backed by none other than the church...
And we have wars over differences and no they will not end.
I was going to be as well however fate had other plans in store for me.kite of chaos wrote:i'm buddhist. lol
Kinda makes you not wanna go to church, huh...Ignus wrote:
Man started the war. And yes those churches are usually not for God but rather their own personal gain. Then again the bible only states to have meetings...it didnt say to go to church.
Some people can be such jerks... taking advantage of willing innocents... i know what you mean.Ignus wrote:Man started the war. And yes those churches are usually not for God but rather their own personal gain. Then again the bible only states to have meetings...it didnt say to go to church.blackphoenix wrote:I do believe that something created life (anti big-bang theory), but if there was a God, why do we have so much suffering over religeons that are based quite similarly (Judaeism and Christianity in particular). Why do we have religeous wars? Why (if there is a God) is He such a jealous God, if He knows He is superior? I was born into a christian family, but the church itself seems to have too many questionable flaws that doesn't make it seem like it's based on a God, but money and power....Inquisition, Holy Roman Empire, Holy Crucades....all backed by none other than the church...
And we have wars over differences and no they will not end.I was going to be as well however fate had other plans in store for me.kite of chaos wrote:i'm buddhist. lol
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hiddenknife
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Judaism: Founded on the fact that some guy cheated his brother of his brother's birthright, and later, his descended people went in and massacred entire people's on God's "go-ahead". Nowaday, seperated into camps of Liberal Jews (who are cool), Orthodox Jews (who are at time, assholes), and Jews for Christ (who are okay, but still tend to either be assholes or cool people)
Islam: Founded by a guy who came back from some dessert and decided all Pagan religions, including Zoastrianism must be abolished or completely massacred, and through military action, slaughtered millions and oppressed hundreds of dessenters in a handful of nations. Zoastrians survive to this day, and know what's the score on that. Famous for it's Fundamentalist bastard sects where they believe if you ain't Muslim, you must DIE!! They call this Jihad. Another way of calling it a Crusade. Only they're a little late from their Medieval Era Time, but then again, in those countries, they just as well never knew that we've already reached the moon. They claim to have only 3 interpretations of the Koran, but in reality, the fact is, out of those three, there are thousands of clerics that interpret each of those interpretations differently.
Zoastrianism: Dated the first religion on the planet. It is multi-tiered, and has sub aspects of the religion, which can be found in offshoots relgions like Druidism or Wican. Found to have absolutes in terms of good and evil, and has a philosophical view of the changing world. Practiced in areas just out of reach of the Islam nations, and heavily in India. Very few in the modern world know of this religion.
Hinduism: Founded by a guy in a loin cloth that said, "hey!! Be cool, and be mindful, and follow a bunch of precepts and stuff." Almost as nearly as cool a religion as it gets, too bad it's too backward for me. They tend to sacrifice themselves when things are on the **** pan. Tend to worship animals, especially cows, I think.
Jayanism: a form of Hinduism, it goes by feeling. A nice quant religion, but too immotional based, and believes way too much in it's own stories.
Christianiaty: Founded on the martyrdom of a man who claimed to be the Son of God. Apparently a good guy, his religion may have been really pure in all the world, but that changed when the Roman Empire made it into an official religion. Then came Crusades, then the Inquisition, then the massacre of hundreds of indigineous people's, and the general license to forcefully convert or make the the poor sap recipient die "trying". Hence the creation of Christian Fundamentalists, who apparently go out of their way to "legally" oppress or destroy many minorities and religions all the God-Damn time. They've also been known to cheat on the Native Americans of land, by proclaiming it was God's Will, and calling it Manifest Destiny, as an excuse to belittle the nations. As well as been known to be partly to fully be monetarily driven. Bible Belt Christian are firm believers in segregation.
Mormonism: They believe they are the "true" church, but really, they are just a very sophisticated unitarian religion, of ambiguous founding roots. Believe that white people are closest to God, and the darker you are, the more cursed and more close you are to Cain's descendence. Go by feelings of the church than by cold hard facts. Tend to be more family oriented, as it's main selling point. Massacred it's fair share of Native Americans, though they will never admit it was them. Claim to have only done polygamy by God's word. Only included Blacks as part of the "priesthood" by divine reveleation. Also claims to have a living Prophet on Earth, only he's also a leader of this church. The Fundamentalist Mormons are an offshoot of this mainstream religion, and tend to have had one or two female prophets, and recently a Prophet whose committed a few dozen counts of child endangerment and statatory rape. Was recently caught by the cops.
Catholism: the basic and original rudimentary organization of the Christian religion, it has a Pope who seats in Vatican City. This sect has been known for it's Crisades, Inquisitions, indigineous people's slaughter's, massacres, forced conversions, rapes, child molestations, selling of children into slavery, and other astronimically dubious acts of heineous actions that they also condemn themselves. Also known to have stolen thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of cold from the people's of North and South America. Only recently have they begun addressing they're crimes, some forcefully brought up, and some brought forward by the most saintly of any Pope in Catholic history, Pope John Paul the Second. Pope Benedict is his legacy successor.
Buddhism: another religion where a fat guy in a loin cloth says "Hey, chill, just follow certain precepts, and be cool." Cool relgion, just rather backward for me, personally. Perhaps the only religion in existances that seems to have a general leveled headed leadership base and policies.
Confusionism: Fatalistic, and perhaps the most brutally honest religous like philosophical path of life on the planet. Easily followed, and an a-okay system.
I can list more religions, but the general jist is, all religion, as it is applied is a horrific tragedy. Instead of focusing on absolutes, like conversion, or truency in the stories told. What about lessons learned. If we just follow those, and some common sense, the world would not have to suffer tallying another tragedy on it's already many scarring tallies and added suffering to the general populace of the planet.
Religion, though seemingly a good idea for a sense of community, isn't absolutely necessary, but can't be necessarily lived without. We can, however, change how it affects people whether to either take it too far, or take it a little bit at a time, or to simply live with others without harming themselves or the people around them.
There are those who can live and function without religion, and those who can't. There has to be a compromise somewhere.
We all have to understand that this world does not just belong to Muslims, Christians, Hindu's, or Atheists only. We all have as much a right to this world as the next, and this world has much a right for justice done.
Islam: Founded by a guy who came back from some dessert and decided all Pagan religions, including Zoastrianism must be abolished or completely massacred, and through military action, slaughtered millions and oppressed hundreds of dessenters in a handful of nations. Zoastrians survive to this day, and know what's the score on that. Famous for it's Fundamentalist bastard sects where they believe if you ain't Muslim, you must DIE!! They call this Jihad. Another way of calling it a Crusade. Only they're a little late from their Medieval Era Time, but then again, in those countries, they just as well never knew that we've already reached the moon. They claim to have only 3 interpretations of the Koran, but in reality, the fact is, out of those three, there are thousands of clerics that interpret each of those interpretations differently.
Zoastrianism: Dated the first religion on the planet. It is multi-tiered, and has sub aspects of the religion, which can be found in offshoots relgions like Druidism or Wican. Found to have absolutes in terms of good and evil, and has a philosophical view of the changing world. Practiced in areas just out of reach of the Islam nations, and heavily in India. Very few in the modern world know of this religion.
Hinduism: Founded by a guy in a loin cloth that said, "hey!! Be cool, and be mindful, and follow a bunch of precepts and stuff." Almost as nearly as cool a religion as it gets, too bad it's too backward for me. They tend to sacrifice themselves when things are on the **** pan. Tend to worship animals, especially cows, I think.
Jayanism: a form of Hinduism, it goes by feeling. A nice quant religion, but too immotional based, and believes way too much in it's own stories.
Christianiaty: Founded on the martyrdom of a man who claimed to be the Son of God. Apparently a good guy, his religion may have been really pure in all the world, but that changed when the Roman Empire made it into an official religion. Then came Crusades, then the Inquisition, then the massacre of hundreds of indigineous people's, and the general license to forcefully convert or make the the poor sap recipient die "trying". Hence the creation of Christian Fundamentalists, who apparently go out of their way to "legally" oppress or destroy many minorities and religions all the God-Damn time. They've also been known to cheat on the Native Americans of land, by proclaiming it was God's Will, and calling it Manifest Destiny, as an excuse to belittle the nations. As well as been known to be partly to fully be monetarily driven. Bible Belt Christian are firm believers in segregation.
Mormonism: They believe they are the "true" church, but really, they are just a very sophisticated unitarian religion, of ambiguous founding roots. Believe that white people are closest to God, and the darker you are, the more cursed and more close you are to Cain's descendence. Go by feelings of the church than by cold hard facts. Tend to be more family oriented, as it's main selling point. Massacred it's fair share of Native Americans, though they will never admit it was them. Claim to have only done polygamy by God's word. Only included Blacks as part of the "priesthood" by divine reveleation. Also claims to have a living Prophet on Earth, only he's also a leader of this church. The Fundamentalist Mormons are an offshoot of this mainstream religion, and tend to have had one or two female prophets, and recently a Prophet whose committed a few dozen counts of child endangerment and statatory rape. Was recently caught by the cops.
Catholism: the basic and original rudimentary organization of the Christian religion, it has a Pope who seats in Vatican City. This sect has been known for it's Crisades, Inquisitions, indigineous people's slaughter's, massacres, forced conversions, rapes, child molestations, selling of children into slavery, and other astronimically dubious acts of heineous actions that they also condemn themselves. Also known to have stolen thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of cold from the people's of North and South America. Only recently have they begun addressing they're crimes, some forcefully brought up, and some brought forward by the most saintly of any Pope in Catholic history, Pope John Paul the Second. Pope Benedict is his legacy successor.
Buddhism: another religion where a fat guy in a loin cloth says "Hey, chill, just follow certain precepts, and be cool." Cool relgion, just rather backward for me, personally. Perhaps the only religion in existances that seems to have a general leveled headed leadership base and policies.
Confusionism: Fatalistic, and perhaps the most brutally honest religous like philosophical path of life on the planet. Easily followed, and an a-okay system.
I can list more religions, but the general jist is, all religion, as it is applied is a horrific tragedy. Instead of focusing on absolutes, like conversion, or truency in the stories told. What about lessons learned. If we just follow those, and some common sense, the world would not have to suffer tallying another tragedy on it's already many scarring tallies and added suffering to the general populace of the planet.
Religion, though seemingly a good idea for a sense of community, isn't absolutely necessary, but can't be necessarily lived without. We can, however, change how it affects people whether to either take it too far, or take it a little bit at a time, or to simply live with others without harming themselves or the people around them.
There are those who can live and function without religion, and those who can't. There has to be a compromise somewhere.
We all have to understand that this world does not just belong to Muslims, Christians, Hindu's, or Atheists only. We all have as much a right to this world as the next, and this world has much a right for justice done.
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blackphoenix
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Another thing with the bible (thanks to the movie "Dogma" for pointing this out) is that Christ suddenly goes from being a baby to being an adult....what happened in between?
How do we know the text in the bible is correct? It has been translated numerous times to fit the mainstream languages...words always are removed/altered in translations.
Where does all the money go from the 10% they ask for to attend mass? Larger hats? Taller buildings? Bigger steeples? Bigger stain glass windows?
How much of it actually goes to good use?
How do we know the text in the bible is correct? It has been translated numerous times to fit the mainstream languages...words always are removed/altered in translations.
Where does all the money go from the 10% they ask for to attend mass? Larger hats? Taller buildings? Bigger steeples? Bigger stain glass windows?
How much of it actually goes to good use?
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hiddenknife
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See what happens when secularists are left to themselves on a thread about religion? They turn it into a debate. It's like a compulsion to always be right and to never leave the religious people alone. What's ironic is that these are the same people who chastise religious people for being absolutists and arrogant. Not to mention they're the same people who tell people to be "tolerant" everyone else's beliefs. This was a poll, a survey, and you've gone off on a tangent, posting things that's factuality is questionable and that will ultimately amount to nothing except yet another futile attempt to disprove religions you didn't know much about to begin with. So please, lets keep our uninformed opinions to ourselves and stick to the Yes or No answer that was requested by the person who started this thread.
I really don't feel like correcting all the mistakes that I've read thus far.
Not to be a backseat admin, but I think it would be a good idea to lock this thread if the attacks and "disproving" claims on religion persist.
I really don't feel like correcting all the mistakes that I've read thus far.
Not to be a backseat admin, but I think it would be a good idea to lock this thread if the attacks and "disproving" claims on religion persist.
fyi, wicca is a form of paganism that believes in the Lord and the Lady. they celebrate nature, as most pagan religions do, and are known to practice witchcraft, black or white. it does believe in good and evil, but only from a person's views, not in the actualy standard of good and evil. at least that's what a friend said when explaining his religion to me...that's for anyone who doesn't understand. its quite the fascination religion, though treated as hethenism by the close-minded.